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The coolest artist/musician ever!

 
  

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jeff
22:55 / 12.05.03
A month ago for me at least there would be no question. However now I have given it my proper consideration, its a tough one. What is your Top 5? Who is your No. 1?

1) Cab Calloway
2) Jimi Hendrix
3) Joe Strummer
4) Jim Morrison
5) Louis Prima
 
 
jeff
23:01 / 12.05.03
I can't believe I missed out Stefan Grappelli, and Django Reinhardt. I feel ill...
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
23:04 / 12.05.03
Can you give reasons? Otherwise this turns into the version of High Fidelity that Tom has to pay for...
 
 
jeff
00:23 / 13.05.03
Fine.

Cab Calloway is redeemed by The Man from Harlem.
Jimi Hendrix defined a generation.
Joe Strummer ditto
Jim Morrison drank too much and died in a bath tub (possibly). Its the "(possibly)" that makes the list.
Louis Prima did "I want to be like you" from the Jungle Book. Nuff Said

Cheer Up.
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
02:08 / 13.05.03
Uh, except that one song does not a legend make. Assume that nobody has heard of these people and sell them to us. Explain why they're so great. The truly iconic could do with more than a single line. Remember, there's probably a generation defined by Celine Dion; there should probably be more explanation if you're gonna paint as broadly as that.

Incidentally, how exactly does Morrison's being-a-pisshead-who-couldn't-drive-a-bath have anything to do with music? If drug-induced fuckwittery is a qualification, this list could be long...
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
03:24 / 13.05.03
Ugh. Jim Morrison? Cool?

Oh man.

Seriously, if this thread is to carry on, you must elaborate on every selection you make. We've got enough silly list threads as it is - if you just want to post lists all day, I recommend paying ILM a visit.
 
 
Old brown-eye is back
12:58 / 13.05.03
Fucking right - the last thing We want is silly anything. Not here. Not on a Tuesday afternoon. In my experience it's a heck of a difficult to come up with a universally acceptable criteria of cool, because different people are looking for different things. Do we judge simply on musical/cultural achievement and longevity? Not necessarily, since that would mean Mick Jagger would be in with as much of a shout as Tom Waites and that wouldn't do at all. Or are the people we like cool because no one else has ever heard of them? Of course not - next to no one has any idea about, say, Wildman Fischer but that doesn't make him any less of a useless cunt. Or is it just a matter of making a hilarious ironic suggestion because, like, that would be a bit, you know, kooky (eg The little banjo guy in Deliverance, Bleeding Gums Murphy.) No, quite frankly. For myself, coolness level goes up in direct proportion to how much smile time they've given me over the years - and the coolest I can think of include:

George Clinton. The living embodyment of The Funk in all it's many life affirming forms. Steamrolling over musical boundaries from the very beginning; just as political as Marvin, Stevie or James but more fun than all three put together; 160 years old and still dressing one of his five guitarists in a nappy. Can neither play nor sing a note.

Sandy Pearlman. Maybe most famous as the producer of the Clash's Give em Enough Rope, but fuck that - Sandy rocks because of his role as the Phantom of the Paradise-esque song-writing grey eminence in the Blue Oyster Cult. No Sandy, no sickly graveyard boogie and no black as night occult-inflected lyrics. No sickly graveyard boogie, or black as night occult inflected lyrics, no decent metal for the rest of time.

Great musicians - many of whom are called John - that are quite happy to remain out of the spotlight and smile quietly to themselves as their band mates get all the props. These would include John Entwhistle, Johnny Johnson, John Paul Jones, Wendy and Lisa, anyone that ever played with James Brown, and that bloke that did the guitar solo on Hound Dog.

Neil Young. Never really had much time for old Neil until a mate of mine lent me his autobiography. Now I realise that he's a god - a grumpy, arrogant, audience hating, dark heart of the 60s embodying, wife ignoring, great music producing, whiny voiced god. In a power cut.

Brian Wilson. Up to his neck in acid, shit all over by his band mates/family Brian escapes into his own head, buys a sandpit and comes up with Smile - the greatest, grandest use of melody in the history of popular music. Thirty years later he finally tours again, embodying the idiot genius - and truly truly believing that love will save us all.
 
 
at the scarwash
20:12 / 13.05.03
Here're three of my Secret Grandfathers.


1. serge gainsbourg. For about two years of my life I tried to channel the coolness of this guy. Clever, intelligent lyrics. Pun-ladenly fun and experimental in the style of Raymond Queneau. The whole Gainsbarre/Gainsbourg thing was an early example of the rock and roll fictionsuit. Considered to be pretty ugly, but dated a few of the female sex sybols of his generation. Stylistically omnivorous musically, visiting Buffalo Springfield-style rock (Melody Nelson), Afro-Cuban rhythms (Percussions), Jazz (Gainsbourg Confidentiel), Beatles-y pop, reggae, and even hip hop (sadly). Contraversial, sure. The Whitney Houston thing. Writing "Sucettes" (a pedophile blowjob fantasy) for France Gall to sing. It was a huge hit. He is my secret grandfather #1.

2. Bootsy Collins. Sure, George was more "important." Bootsy would have never been Bootsy without him. But his work with James Brown and P-Funk is one of the sounds that define the role of the bass guitar in pop music. His outerspace jive cat cartoon persona is a completely original creation. But the coolest thing about him is the sense of fun that he presents to the listener. Bootsy's funk alway radiates an innocent exhuberance, no matter what the content (or lack thereof) of the lyrics. Secret Grandfather #2.

3. Iggy Fucking Pop. Betcha didn't know that was his middle name, didja? Well, it might as well be. Gnnarr!!! Fnarf!! Iggy and the Stooges ate music. They ate rock and roll, and Iggy spat it out, this bleeding, snarling catchy afterbirth music, and it kicks my ass. Iggy was stupid fucked up a lot, and mutilated himself on stage. That's dubious, coolfactor-wise. He hung out with David Bowie, and made two excellent records with him. That's cool. He's still alive, still doing his thing really well, and he really comes across as a happy guy. I think that's the coolest thing about Iggy Pop.
 
 
No star here laces
09:44 / 14.05.03
In no particular order:

Rhygin
This is the actual real-life guy that the movie "The harder they come" was based on. A country boy from the Jamaican sticks, he moved to the big city to find fame, only to be ripped off by record producers. His record became a smash hit, but he got no money. So he did what any sane badass musician would do - got himself a gun and took the law into his own hands. He became a national celebrity by shooting lots of people and dressing fly. Before going to an early grave. So, perfect in every way, really.

Townes van Zandt
Because on "Live at the old quarter" he tells jokes in between the songs.
e.g. "Two drunks are sitting around and arguing about that object up in the sky, 'bout whether it's the sun or the moon. A third drunk walks by and they call out to him 'Hey man, is that thing up there the sun or the moon?'' And he answers right back 'How'm I supposed to know? I ain't from this neighbourhood...'"
....and then launches into some impossibly sad song (all his songs are impossibly sad).

Tupac Shakur
Like it's not obvious.
1) He was impossibly good looking
2) He was a cocky little shit
3) He was shot dead
4) His music is basically a series of soundbites that pithily encapsulate why millions of people in this world are seriously fucked off with the way things are. In other words, he caused a shitload of trouble.
5) He's been dead for 8 years but everyone in the caribbean is still walking around in his t-shirts.

Count Grishnakh
Because no other musician could ever, ever come close to his all-encompassing delusiion and insanity. And to accomplish this level of extremity and ridiculous behaviour in what may be the most boring country on earth only heightens the acheivement.

James Brown
Again, what can you possibly say? He changed the face of music - nothing we have today would have been possible without JB, except maybe for Travis and Emo. He was arrogant, overweaning and RIGHT. He ruled with a rod of iron, and not just over his band, but over the nation. The president appealed to him to calm down the black community. The PRESIDENT asked him for help. How cool? And then he managed to grow old in the most disgraceful manner - a 60 year old man off his head on PCP driving naked at 90mph down the wrong side of the road and firing a shotgun out the window? Check. JB was there. And he still drives his tricked out Caddie round the 'hood he grew up and gives gifts to all the kids at xmas. JB rules in every way...
 
 
Old brown-eye is back
10:39 / 14.05.03
Hurrah, we're back to Big Jim Morrison again. Cool equalling being deeply fucking unpleasant a lot of the time and maybe even carrying a gun.
 
 
No star here laces
12:24 / 14.05.03
Oh god, you're so right. I take it all back. The coolest musician of all time is clearly Sting. Sorry.
 
 
Old brown-eye is back
12:49 / 14.05.03
Dude, I'm with you on James Brown and I'm with you on Townes van Zandt (although why not Woody Guthrie, Phil Ochs or even Bob Dylan is beyond me.) I just can't get to the idea that violence, needless death or even burning down a church necessarily equates to a superhuman level of cool. Why isn't Charlie Manson on your list? Where's old beating-the-shit-out-of-his-wife-and-dressing-fly Ike Turner?
 
 
The Falcon
16:28 / 14.05.03
Mike Patton.
 
 
Cop Killer
17:39 / 14.05.03
Count Grishnack also has that extreme fuck-wittery going on, not to mention being a fascist, Euronymous was way cooler...And I don't think that being from the most boring country on Earth heightens his acheivement, because, well...what the hell else was he going to do, he lives in the most boring country in the world?

Black Sabbath as a whole, with Ozzy, not with Dio, because Dio fucking sucks. They rule, and are so dark and heavy. Just the first cut on the first album ("Black Sabbath"), with that heavy as hell riff and Ozzy asking "What is this/that stands before me?" and I'm thinking, 'I was just asking that to myself, you mindreading motherfucker.' It's just so cool, then you got Geezer with the tops of two of his fingers missing (which is why they downtuned, it made it easier for him to play, and that made them sound even heavier) and still ruling the guitar like he just took over as dictator in the country Guitargodonia. And the rhythm section rules as well (and one of the few rhythm sections that actually matter).
 
 
Saint Keggers
17:45 / 14.05.03
David Bowie.
He looks better the older he gets and his music still kicks some serious ass.
 
 
Saint Keggers
17:46 / 14.05.03
and Johnny Cash is preety damn cool too.
 
 
The Falcon
03:48 / 15.05.03
Geezer is the bassist, Cop Killer (are you named after the Bodycount song?) Tony Iommi is the guitarist.

Otherwise, I agree, especially with this part:Black Sabbath as a whole, with Ozzy, not with Dio, because Dio fucking sucks.

I'd actually like a t-shirt that said that. Maybe on the back.
 
 
Cop Killer
08:38 / 16.05.03
Yeah, you're completely right, and I know that too, but the statement still stands true, but with Tony Iommi in place of Geezer Butler. And, yes, I'm named after the Bodycount song.
 
 
rizla mission
13:18 / 16.05.03
hmm.. lets see now;

I'll want to change this in five minutes guaranteed, but for the moment let's go with;

Dick Dale
Joey Ramone
Joan Jett
Guitar Wolf
Thuston Moore & Kim Gordon (counts as one for the purposes of keeping this a top 5 list!)

And the hell with reasons, I'm off to rock..
 
 
Pants Payroll
01:27 / 17.05.03
He"s not my favorite musician, but, really, is anyone as cool as Miles Davis was? Bowie is up there, though.
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
02:46 / 17.05.03
Erm, with You're Under Arrest excluded, I hope...
 
 
A
13:17 / 20.05.03
1- RAOOUL! were a bunch of 14 or 15 year old girls playing fantastic screamy punk rock in the mid-90's. Their first EP Fresh and Nubile is probably the best record ever.

2- actually, i don't think anyone else is particularly cool at the moment.
 
 
frownland
08:18 / 23.05.03
You all seem to have forgotten the Hard-ons, who liked to wear red corduroys and masseur sandals on stage, and had their own indoor cricket team.
 
 
robots don't need alarm clocks
16:14 / 27.05.03
I didn't happen to see Lou Reed anywhere...
 
 
at the scarwash
18:40 / 27.05.03
Lou Reed does not win because of the sunglasses and "Street Hassle." John Cale was nominated by me for a minute, but I just don't think cool quite works as a descriptor.

What about Prince Paul? I think that he's one of the greatest shaping forces in hip hop. His freewheeling appropriation and recontextualization of samples was brave and revolutionary. He took a Johnny Cash quote and made it the hook of a rap song("The Magic Number"). How cool is that? He was in the world's first hip hop band (as in they used live instruments), Stetsasonic. And can anybody say "Gravediggaz? I know you can. He has always called out the worst elements of hip hop music, especially on his brilliantly insane Psychoanalysis: What is It? A Prince Among Theives was an occasionally brilliant hip hop concept musical that really should have been a movie. One really could go on and on.
 
 
Brigade du jour
22:49 / 09.04.04
Prince. Nobody walks the fine, barely-dividing line between insane and ingenious like this skinny motherfucker with a high voice.
 
 
Axolotl
13:15 / 15.04.04
Chuck D. The motherfuckin Man. Though obviously not THE man. But cool as fuck none the less. Not the most eloquent or reasoned post I know, but it doesn't stop it being true
 
 
dix
21:14 / 18.04.04
David Bowie, The Sonics, Miles Davis, Johnny Cash, DEVO. They all started something.
 
 
r2b2
09:29 / 20.04.04
JOHN ZORN.
VERNON REID.
TUCK & PATTI.
JACO.
 
 
jimmd784
20:29 / 21.04.04
1.Ian Curtis (Joy Division)
2.Pete Docherty (The Libertines)in fact they are all cool.
3.Didz Hamond (Cooper Temple Clause)
4.Johnny Marr (The Smiths)
5.Jimi Hendrix
6.Joe Strummer
7.Joey Ramone
8.Mick Jones
9.John Lydon AKA Johnny Rotten
10.Guy Garvey
 
 
Bed Head
22:41 / 21.04.04


John Lydon, my arse.
 
 
jimmd784
17:09 / 22.04.04
i'm not talking about when he was in the pistols. also missed out on one of the all time greats
11.Arthur Lee
 
 
black mask
17:25 / 22.04.04
James Jamerson
Lee Perry
Jimi
Miles
Keef
Ray Davies
George Jones
Ian Dury
Joe Strummer
Ron Wood
 
 
Seth
23:02 / 22.04.04
RZA.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
07:20 / 23.04.04
Ghostface Killah
Ari Up
Greg Dulli
Hov

This game is weird.
 
  

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