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Talk minus action?

19:07 / 08.05.03

An idea came to me for a thread while responding to this thread. The idea for this thread also likely relates to other threads that can be found spattered throughout this vast and diverse Litherland—threads like “Fictionsuits, a users manual,” and other like minded discourse.

Anyway, this particular forum, “The Magick,” is on one hand a place to discuss ideas, images, and such about magickal systems of thought. Take for instance the current thread on “The Serpent” or other threads like it. On the other hand, it is also a place to make magick happen. Take, for example, the sigils that some people put up for group charging, or even some of the group work that has been accomplished (like “the peace mango”).

So, this thread intends to be about magickal discourse and practice. Perhaps like the idea of creating a “meta-narrative” to your life do you find that there is a distinct difference to discussing magick here and practicing magick in your life, or do you find that it is a blurry boarder between discourse and practice?

Put differently, to what extent are we merely “talking” and to extant are we “doing”?

19:15 / 08.05.03

What makes you so sure that there's a difference?

20:39 / 08.05.03

Well Mr. Fear, I'm not sure there's a difference. I wanted to find out how other people see it!

gotham island fae

20:52 / 08.05.03

[guilt-inducing snarkiness]
No time to discuss the difference, too busy doing.
[/guilt-inducing snarkiness]

Actually, from of one of my perspectives of magick, talking about it here or anywhere is magick, yes.

That perspective also tells me that the easiest way to open a door through magick is to walk across the room and pull the handle.

Ah, semantics...

Nietzsch E. Coyote

21:54 / 08.05.03

Perhaps text acts are on a scale on the one end they are "just" writing on the other end they are magickal spellings. Any given posting would be on the scale corresponding to a number of factors. Possible factors could be intent, deliberatness and others.

22:26 / 08.05.03

A thread on Barbelith inspired me to exercise my practice through a ritualistic ingestion of the runes, with the feedback consisting of posting my results. The writing of the replies was an integral part of the defining and recording of experiences and publication.

05:21 / 09.05.03

crazy wrote:
...a ritualistic ingestion of the runes...

So, did you, like, actually eat the runes? I can only imagine what the "results" were...

Re: the actual topic of this thread...I think any intentional act is a magickal act. Posting to the Magick forum is an attempt to focus and extend that intention into other heads and see how they process and pass on the information you've offered. Given that the general content of the Magick posts is, well, magick, doesn't that make it all the more, uh, magickal?

However, there's a fine line between mysticism and the intellectualization of spirituality. Thinking and talking about magick should be research to advance your practice into deeper levels of tangible relationship with the principles and archetypes of the spiritual path. You need to arm yourself and know how to give the appropriate benedictions and offerings, as well as banishings. Without practical magick and ritual you might as well be researching your doctoral dissertation.

14:00 / 09.05.03

*guiltily* I talk much more than do. I love magick, I love talking about it, but my practice is occasional and sparse. Partially due to laziness and busyness, partially because I'm extremely cautious and rarely find the need.
On the other hand, when I do need to use it (or it chooses to use me) all the talking comes in handy because it means I know what I'm doing.
I think if posting in the magick is magick, it is tiny magick (generally, Gek etc. aside) of the type we do every day and don't notice.
Mind you, when I get my computer at home sorted and am online, I intend to bless the shit out of it and a part of that will be posting here about doing it- in that case writing about it will BE doing it, like crazy's rune eating

15:42 / 09.05.03

You know, I saw this topic and I thought it would be about when you get magickal results by thinking about doing something but not actually doing it.

i.e. I intend to do a sigil for something, I'm too busy and don't make time to do the sigil, but the result I wanted happens anyway, as if I had done the sigil. That's happening to me a lot lately.

17:26 / 09.05.03

half the time I practice magick, the other half it practices me. I too am a lazy spell caster, but thats because I veiw magick as a last resort. Say for instance I get burned by someone I know, I could hex him, but I'd rather just pop him in the nose. Most of the time I try to use magick for the purposes of mysticism. I never thought of posting here as magick unless it was a thread specifically meant for such, most of those (like Gek) I have no clue what it is so I don't touch it, so as not to commit a ritual faux pas or what not.

16:52 / 10.05.03

Magick is changing the universe in conformity to your will. There are plenty of non-esoteric ways to do it, too. Breathing and eating give you energy and stop you dying. Martial arts, money and oration get people to do what you want. Programming a computer or using google allows you to manipulate, create or find information.

If you don't think giving people small scraps of paper in return for goods and services is a form of magick, then what is? It's an imense powerful complex living system that is entirely based of faith, ritual and belief.

Anyhoo, most of my workings are very subtle. There's a great phrase I heard this week, and an exercise to go along with it. The phrase is "Chance favours the prepared mind". Take five dollars/eurosbucks/quid and put it in a different pocket or part of your wallet to normal. Decide that it's going to be used to improve the world (or other goal of your choice). At some point in the next few days you will clearly see what you are supposed to spend it on.

I tend, like Quantum, to do very little "active workings". I'm still riding the (extremely entertaining) shockwave from the last but one, one what I did.

08:03 / 13.05.03

I have a mind prepared to favour chance