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waxy dan
11:01 / 07.05.03
Do it. It's always an option to "back out of an MA course after 2 days" again. But it's not an option to go back once the course has started.

At worst, you'll be where you are now. You can defer for a year, and spend that year reading up, and asking your lecturers for some course notes or suggested reading lists to prepare for the next academic year. Which ain't so bad.

At best, you'll be meeting new people, in a new environment, learning loads, being scared witless, and growing no end as a human.
 
 
that
11:10 / 07.05.03
I don't know if it's easy to back out of a course when you're tied to the college through a housing contract. I'd probably lose much cash, that I don't have (I literally have no cash whatsoever atm, as i am about to use every penny to pay off my credit card bills). And, besides that, this MA is something I have to do - it is a necessary step to get me where I want to go, which is doing my PhD in Cult. Studs. (the Eng. Lit. course is with the OU, and is to allow me to apply for a PGCE after my PhD, if I don't find anything I want more, in between). So not doing the course is not an option...
 
 
Unencumbered
11:22 / 07.05.03
Without knowing you and your circumstances thoroughly it's very hard to try and give good advice, but my gut says that you should go the whole hog and move out. It may or may not be a mistake, but life's full of those. God knows, I've made enough of them. But whatever happens, at least you'll be able to say that you tried.
 
 
waxy dan
11:25 / 07.05.03
How does the housing contract work?
Does the college keep a list of people waiting/hoping for housing during the year?

During my MA last year I had to stay at home (26 and living with mother! erk), it just wasn't financially possible to do otherwise. Wasn't so bad.. It did restrict the social side of things a great deal of course. But it made little impact on my studies.
 
 
Ganesh
11:32 / 07.05.03
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Kit-Cat Club
11:36 / 07.05.03
I have several thoughts on this which I have been incubating for some time, but I hesitated to say anything before because you seemed so sure you could handle what you were setting yourself up to do. So anyway: I think trying to do two courses at once is too much to take on. I recognise that the Open University one can be manipulated to fit in with a job or other full-time occupation, but I think that only works when you have enough headspace to manage your work and your intellectual studies. If you are doing two academic courses I would be concerned that you will damage your full-time MA by trying to keep up with the other one (not to mention extraneous demands on your time like, er, spending hours reading X Men threads on Barbelith... ad just relaxing); and, since you're after a PhD, the full-time one is more important. I can't see why you'd need an MA in Eng Lit to go into teaching after your doctorate anyway... My advice would be to scrap the Open University one, to be honest. I can totally see and respect your desire to keep learning (and it must be frustrating being stuck in the period of time before you can really get going on it) but do be aware that you could burn yourself out and end up not achieving your primary goal (i.e. the doctorate), or not doing as well as you hope - and as you seem to be a high achiever I think that would be a very hard knock for you. If you need to work to support yourself then obviously that's another thing to take into consideration: as an academic historian said to me when I was in the process of applying, you will need to devote about 60% of your time to your MA, and to be able to support yourself you need to devote about 60% of your time to a job... these are things to bear in mind (and something I have been thinking about as the horrors of ARHB funding prey on my enfeebled brane).

What I'm saying is, don't overload yourself in the desire to make yourself better.

As to living independently: I would be very wary of moving away from your primary support network at a time when you're going to be under a great deal of stress (however enjoyable) anyway. After all - what use is independence if you're lonely and miserable and ill? And, you know, it's obvious from your posts on the board how much you love your dogs, and that kind of thing can be a great prop in times of duress. So I'd be inclined to suggest that you stay at home for a while and see how you go. Incidentally, I don't think there's anything scary about living with your parents at the age of 22/3. You're bound to make acquaintances and friends through your course and your department, I think, and living at home is no bar to that.

But what you really need to do is figure out what your priorities are and go for the top ones, chop the others things out as necessary and don't try and do everything at once - it would be awful if you set yourself unrealistic targets and then ended up blaming yourself for not meeting them - and it's a very easy thing to do. So be careful...
 
 
that
11:38 / 07.05.03
dan, I dunno about how exactly the halls of residence thing works...having never done it before. Sigh.
 
 
that
11:42 / 07.05.03
Thank you, KCC... the OU course is already paid for, unfortunately...which makes it tricky. The reason I am doing it - well, I have no decent A-Levels and they need you to have A-Levels or a degree in a core subject if you plan to teach infants... and I know I'm not cut out to be a lecturer, and just want something to be able to do post-PhD... so...ah, I dunno... sigh.
 
 
waxy dan
11:45 / 07.05.03
dan, I dunno about how exactly the halls of residence thing works...having never done it before. Sigh.
Ask, it might be possible to pull out after a short period of time?

If you're likely to lose a lot of money by doing so, then sticking where you are probably makes more sense (at least to the arrogant guy sitting here presuming he knows what makes sense for you!). An MA is a whole lotta work without having to pay rent, etc. at the same time.

KitKat mentioned "headspace". During my MA I certainly had the hours free to work, but it wasn't really about the number of hours available. I found that during the time I had free, I was still thinking and considering this bit of research or that project. I wouldn't have had the mental energy to spare.
 
 
Leap
11:51 / 07.05.03
Cholister –

So, what do I do? Bite the bullet totally, get a job and do all the education stuff, try and survive on my own? Or stay at home, which eases off the pressure to be financially ok? Bearing in mind that I am fucked in the head still and last year I backed out of an MA course after 2 days? I have no idea if I'll survive any of this...

All or nothing moves are not something I personally would advise – that sounds like the bi-polar talking. You need to sit down and write yourself a scale of 5 points running from lvl 1 (where you stay at home and on benefit) to lvl 5 (moving out wholesale, leaving old life behind and beginning completely anew). Lvl 1 is obviously not acceptable, and lvl 5 is the kind of grass-is-always-greener denial/escapism that NEVER (REPEAT NEVER) works anything like the way you hope it does ( If you are emotionally fragile, such a move would be tantamount to several hundred paracetamol).

Once you have the two extremes worked out, figure out the mid way point, and then the mid way points between 1 and 3 [erm, its called 2 ] and between 3 and 5 [again, I find ‘4’ a useful label ].

Once you have a scale running from “wrapped up in duvet and cuddling puppy” comfort at lvl 1 and “single-headedly crossing Antarctica” at lvl 5, you need to figure out what level starts making you jumpy (2,3 or 4). If it is 2 then you are not yet ready to leave home and need more time playing in the garden and down the park If it is 3 then go for option 2, if it is 4 go for option 3 and if it is actually bare in mind whether you have taken you medication in the last 50 mins The trick is to find “jumpy” and go one step back (none of this “feel the fear and do it anyway shite” when you are bi polar!).

The “two Mas at once” lark sounds like the bi-polar talking, and as someone who tried to combine a full-time MA with a full-time job and a new family I can safely say that anyone who is bi-polar is talking out of their arse [in the nicest way ] if they claim they can do 2 MAs at once without cracking!

Hope this helps!
 
 
that
11:55 / 07.05.03
The weird thing is, that's very true. It *is* the bipolar talking, because when I'm up one of the things I do is book myself into/think about booking myself into a million courses and have all these plans for my life...and when I'm down, I can't even leave the house, and everything is too much bloody effort.

I do feel the need to get out of here though, for the simple reason that I feel...like my development is arrested, and like there is too much interference. Need to stand on my own two feet...

Thanks, everyone... not really clearer about what I should do, but I feel better anyway...
 
 
Bill Posters
12:04 / 07.05.03
Everything I could say has already been said (but it's worth me saying that cos it seems that the feedback you're getting is fairly consistent). Good luck wiv it.
 
 
Leap
12:13 / 07.05.03
Cholister -

I do feel the need to get out of here though, for the simple reason that I feel...like my development is arrested, and like there is too much interference. Need to stand on my own two feet...

To quote ‘Babe’ “That’ll do Cholister. That’ll do”

A little line of wisdom courtesy of Kipling though:

“If you can dream-and not make dreams your master;
If you can think-and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two imposters just the same;”

Good advice for Bi-Polars that
 
 
Lurid Archive
12:16 / 07.05.03
Yet another vote of support for what has been said. It does sound like you have an awful lot planned. If at all possible, I would consider letting the OU course go. Its not like you can't do it later. Though if it is already paid for, thats a problem.

FWIW, halls of residence can be a mixed bag, but on the whole I'd say that living with other students would be a positive thing. People tend to enjoy leaving home, even if they return for frequent "laundry visits".

That said, I don't know too much about your situation, whether you find the idea too stressful, and it may be too difficult financially.
 
 
Ganesh
13:02 / 07.05.03
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that
13:04 / 07.05.03
Thank you. That is a really sensible idea...
 
 
bitchiekittie
13:14 / 07.05.03
run with it. youre smart, so youre already farther ahead in the game than most. if this is really what you want to do (and it looks like it is), than you cant not do it. even if things are really hard, nothing gives your self esteem a boost like surviving a struggle with your independence intact.
 
 
Ganesh
14:32 / 08.05.03
Blazing rows can sometimes be useful; more 'air-clearing' than passive aggression, anyway...
 
 
Lurid Archive
14:40 / 08.05.03
Excellent, Chol. I suspected the OU would be understanding, they are a pretty good organisation all in all.

Although this move will leave me with less prospects for a future career, I expect it's for the best...

You can always go back and do the OU course if that looks like a good move. And you can plan to do it when you haven't got a full time course plus job to worry about.
 
 
Cat Chant
17:18 / 08.05.03
Chol, I have nothing useful to say, but I offer you many huggles and you look like, even if you are not clear about what decisions you should make, you are making them in a sensible way which is most of the battle, I think.

Huggles, and congratulations on the MA in Cult Studs - best thing I ever did. (Well, actually, becoming a slash writer was the best thing I ever did, by miles, but MACS was definitely the second best thing I ever did.)
 
 
Spatula Clarke
22:54 / 08.05.03
Mad props to you, Chol. Whatever the hell mad props are; I heard it on the telly and thought it'd get me down with the kids.

Backing up what's already been said, dropping the OU courses was a good idea. You can do those any time you want.

As for the question of moving out of your parents' house, I wouldn't be in any great rush to do that simply in order to gain a feeling of independence. Quite apart from anything else, many of the kids I've met over the last couple of years who've lived in halls have probably ended up being more dependent on their parents than they would have been if they'd stayed at home. Me, I've had to move back in with my folks at the age of 27 in order to survive financially through the final year and a half of a degree - had to quit my job because, at the end of the day, independent financial security just wasn't worth the fucking hassle - and, despite worries originally, it's worked out fine. Obviously, I've got the benefit of being over 25 and having the LEA pay for all my fees, which may not apply in your case. Still, if you think taking a job alongside the course may lead to problems then staying at home and travelling in to the course would seem the sensible option to me. That all depends on how far you'd have to travel and the cash you'd have to fork out on doing so.

This'll end up being a stupid comment, but I'd ease up on yourself a bit as far as worrying about career prospects goes; you've got plenty of time there. Much as I admire your desire and drive to go somewhere (and I really envy you your ability to see a target and aim for it), just maybe... ease off a little, prepare to take things just a bit slower. If nothing else, it can only end up with you getting better results in the courses that you do end up taking.
 
  
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