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Symbolism: The Serpent

 
 
LVX23
05:11 / 07.05.03
The archetype of the Serpent is powerful and old, representing many things but perhaps derived from one simple concept. What are your feelings about the Serpent?







 
 
Nietzsch E. Coyote
10:40 / 07.05.03
overplayed
 
 
Quantum
12:48 / 07.05.03
The simple concept is Wisdom, from which all the others are derived. (yes, even the Eden story, the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. The snake offered wisdom YHVH wasn't prepared to give. Of course the whole thing was staged by Him knowing the outcome beforehand but that's another issue...)
 
 
Tamayyurt
12:51 / 07.05.03
Actually, I'm so glad you posted something like this cause, since last friday, I've been contacted by a snake entity of some sort. Something to do with 4D beings. On Monday when I was bored at work I kinda tried summoning it and not 5 min. later a little kid walks into the store with a beautiful, bright red corn snake. He said that the security guard outside told him to show it to me. So yeah, to me a serpent has recently become a symbol of a 4D entity.
 
 
LVX23
16:37 / 07.05.03
I think Wisdom is not such a simple concept. I suggest that an even simpler one is the Spiral.
 
 
Jack Fear
16:45 / 07.05.03
And the phallus is even simpler...
 
 
Salamander
17:57 / 07.05.03
DNA, phallus, snake, kundalini, evil, good, power, lightning, old brain, caduceus, heart girt with a serpent, chinese dragons, primal energy, time as a spiral shape, yggdrasil and the world serpent, how I would like to have a pet snake, and, and, and...

the serpent has multiplex meaning, neither simple or overplayed.
 
 
LVX23
18:06 / 07.05.03
Hermes wrote:

heart girt with a serpent

This is the crux of my query...
 
 
Salamander
23:36 / 07.05.03
I guess the serpent could be the glyph of DNA conciousness merging with nueral conciousness to form something new. To tell the truth, I was just dropping names, didn't really understand heart girt with a serpent, other than it had to do with the heart chakra and kundalini. Or maybe I missed it totally.
 
 
The Fetch
23:47 / 07.05.03
I can only comment from the Isisian Mystery Schools, from which I am attuned with.

First of all, the Serpent is the Letter S, which is spun 90 degrees (resting on its side) and is symbolic of the SUN as it is viewed and mapped over a period of a year relative to noon zenith readings and plotted on an X/Y Graph.

The NAME SERPENT has a lexigrammic value of

SER = SUR = South
PEN = PEN
T = It measurement reference, or noon zenith

Thus the "mystical meaning" of the SERPENT is "the Pen that writes its name in the SOUTHern sky", or the apparent movement of the SUN.

THus the SUN is the pre-eminent value for the SERPENT, for without the SUN, we would have no value for the secondary, and equally important meaning, which is that of DNA.

DNA has a value of 4+14+1 = 19 = S Letter.

Reverse DNA and you form the word AND, which is of course the nature of the Letter S, for it the Letter S is a single strand of DNA (further encoded as either O = THe Egg, or P= THe Penis, as a male and female aspect), then DNA must be in search of a secondary strand, or the sequence in speech called AND, as in THIS STRAND AND THAT.

We would also draw attention to the word AND in STRAND, which would then provide us with further insight into the Letters AND.

That KNOWLEDGE is a product then, of the SUN and DNA, brings us to a fundemental understanding of the Letter S, or the SERPENT.

The Fetch
 
 
LVX23
05:33 / 09.05.03
Yeah, DNA. The serpent is obviously phallic, suggesting the seed, the carrier of life. And the giver of Knowledge of Self, of Duality. The serpent is animal, primal, and an image of Eros. It also represents our inner demon, the saboteur of good will.

"There is love and there is love. There is the dove, and there is the serpent. Choose ye well."

And note that St. Patrick not only drove the snakes out of Ireland, but the pagans as well...
 
 
6opow
08:59 / 09.05.03
There once was a snake named Dan,
And on a circle he ran.
With a mobius twist
Only one side, the gist:
Contradiction is ‘I am’.
 
 
Marian
09:18 / 09.05.03
And, as in the third picture above, the spinal column, the primary channel through which the body talks with the brain. I've had some startling moments by thinking 'spine' when considering common metaphors for the throat ('hollow reed') and phallus.
 
 
Salamander
13:02 / 09.05.03
The olser parts of the brain are also where the pineal gland is, the source of endogenous DMT, the fave of nuerobioligists for the initiator of mystical expieriances, ufo contact, and NDE's. The pineal is also the exact spot were the ajna chakra is supposed to be. The pineal produces this endogenous DMT under certain physical stress, like meditation, dancing, ect ect. The serpent represents biology moving to fuse with spirit.
 
 
The Fetch
16:49 / 10.05.03
Since we know that Ireland has never been home to any snakes, ever, the myth that St. Patrick drove out the snakes is indeed a direct reference to driving out the Pagans.

The Fetch
 
 
Dances with Gophers
20:26 / 10.05.03
Meretseger also requires a mention, in my humble opinion.
 
 
Dances with Gophers
20:32 / 10.05.03
Encyclopedia Mythica have an article. Tryed posting a link on the previous, I mucked it up as usual!
 
 
Salamander
05:57 / 11.05.03
Hate to involve my own personal and current obsessions, but serpents seem to be associated with circles and spirals alot. Spirals occur alot in nature, could it be the serpent sybolizes something more than DNA in that respect? The golden ratio has to do with the spiral, but what could it have to do with a serpent?
 
 
Who's your Tzaddi?
18:35 / 12.05.03
"There is love and there is love. There is the dove, and there is the serpent. Choose ye well."

From my lovely other half:

"Hey baby,...this caudecus thing that is a symbol of Mercury...see how the serpent and the wings appear in one? Could it be that the "serpent" losing his wings in the Eden story is actually about the split of the hermaphrodite into 2? The Serpent and The Dove (The wings)?...Whaddaya think baby...baby?"

She's growing up so fast.

Tzaddi...amazed.
 
 
Who's your Tzaddi?
20:19 / 12.05.03

Spirals occur alot in nature, could it be the serpent sybolizes something more than DNA in that respect...


LVX: You missed one pic of the serpent...




Tzaddi...what the?
 
 
abscissa
20:36 / 12.05.03
the spiral/serpent may represent movement(direction/volition) in the constantly moving/expanding medium of the perceived universe
 
 
abscissa
20:49 / 12.05.03
as an interesting aside
i have been experiencing recurrent synchronicities involving:
the ouroboros; autofellatio; creation;the Hebraic alephbet;sound and light;crop circles; and chaos as a tool for enlightenment
 
 
abscissa
21:03 / 12.05.03
check out my posted reply at 23:59 in the CryptoSigil topic for more
 
 
Salamander
00:48 / 13.05.03
I thought NChSh lost his feet, but winged serpents turn up alot in Mezoamerican paradigms. The more esoteric version of the garden of eden, Adom Ha Reshon was an androginous being, and when he ate the apple, he split in two. The proper tense of what YHVH says would then be better interpreted as, "Oh Adom, now look were you are!" As opposed to the eroneous concept that an all knowing being would have to ask someone, "Adam, were are you?"
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
05:48 / 13.05.03
Was just reading this passage from E.A, Wallis Budge's Intro to The Egyptian Book of the Dead on the train today:

"From the earliest times it is clear that the Egyptians imagned he existence of other powerswho offered opposition to the dead ["dead" is singular here, since much of the EBotD is in the form of a travel guide for the spirit of the deceased -Q], and who are called in many places his "enemies." Like so many of the ancient gods, these powers were originally certain forces of nature, which were believed to be opposed to those that were regarded as beneficient to man, as for example darkness to light, andnigh to day; wih darkness and night were also associated the powers of the sunor to prevent his shining. But since the deceased was identified with Osiris and Ra, andthir accompanying gods, the enemies of the one became the enemies of the other, and hte welfare of the one was the welfare of the other. When the Egypians personified the destroying powers, or opposing powers, theygave to them the shapes of noxious animals and reptiles, such as snakes and scorpions. As ime wen on, the moral ideas of good and right were attributed to the former, and evil and wickedness to the latter. The first personifications of Day and Night, or Light and Darkness, were Horus and Set, andinthe combat--the prototype of thesubsequen legends of Marduk and Tiamat, Bel and the Dragon, St. Gorge and the Dragon, andmany others--which took place between them, Horus was always the victor.

"Now, though the deceased was identified wih Osiis or Ra, the victory that Horus gained over Set only benefited the spritual body which dwelt in heaven, and did not preserve the natural body which lay in the tomb. The principal enemy of the natural body was the worm, and from the earliest times it seems that a huge worm or serpent was chosen by the Egyptians as the type ofthe powers which were hostile to the dead and also of the foe against whom the Sun-god fought. Already in the Pyramid of Unas a long section of the text contains nothing but formulae, the recital of which wasintended to protect the deceased from various kinds of snakes and worms. These are exceedingly ancien, indeed they may safely be said to form one of the oldest parts of the funereal tradition of hte Egyptians, and we find from the later editions of hte Book of the Dead and certain Coptic woks that the dread of the serpent as the emblem of physical and moral evil among the Egyptians in all generations, and that, as will be seen later, the belief in a limbo filled with snakes swayed thei minds long after they had been converted to Christianity."

He then goes on to describe Aapep, Am-mit, et al, and then to talk about the reappearence of BoTD monsters in the Coptic images of hell (which are truly frightening -- much scarier than my grandfather's Catholic hell of eternal fire). I should also note that the Horus refered to doesn't seem to be Heru-p-khart, Harpocrates, the avenging son of Osiris and Isis. He seems to be a Sun god who, like Set, predates Osiris, Amon (who doens't get much mention in this book), and Ra. More on all this stuff soon, when I get these lines straightened out a little.

A further note. As far as I can tell, Budge's translation was last revised around 1913, and those revisions had more to do with illustrations and format than text. It was firs publishd in 1890. There are plenty of places where he says he doesn't know exactly what is being said. There may have been other discoveries in the field over the last 90 years that come to bear. I just thought I'd highlight this rather old-school-whoopass facet of the Serpent image.
 
 
morning Dew
00:32 / 14.04.04
Aye.. I stumbled into this conversation so hopefully it is still kickin'
I was just searching for some info regarding and relating the serpent, dna, and the spinal column for a sculpture I am planning. Last May I was on a pretty small dose of LSD-25 and envisioned a thin snake wrapping itself around a thick, pillar-like snake as a symbol of mystical union. i.e. the individuals haven in its Divine Self

On another site I just looked at, it says that Genesis' tree of life is the human body and man's hair is the roots. I always looked at hair more like leaves of a tree where the Face is the trunk (the self is the source) any way, I have dreadlocks and my oldest, longest, sturdiest one I just realized as I was reading the remarks about the letter S and the serpent is curled like a serpent. A few months ago I seemed to have an ultra-intuition out of nowhere that this clump of dreaded hair was a symbol of a girl who I am close to. One day, I was observing that a piece of torn fabric was in the same formation as this dread lock and in the same moment my mind cleared until there was only the happy thought of her, and simultaneously she called me. Tonight I put a piece of vertebrae on the base of the dreadlock and as I fidgeted with it under my hat while reading this page she suddenly called me again. And then, there was a fleeting pain, well, in the phallus!
 
 
Yagg
04:41 / 21.04.04
Another fun one is the Gnostic take on the serpent of Genesis: Turns out it was Christ all along.

You see, the creator "god" isn't the real God at all, and is holding Man and Woman captive. The serpent comes from the true God to lead them to the Tree of Knowledge (Gnosis). The source of Knowledge, the fruit, hangs on the tree as Christ, the source of Knowledge--Ta da!--hangs on a tree. To the Gnostics, Knowledge = freedom from the false creator god = salvation. Well, that's oversimplified, but you get the picture.

Who knew Christ was also a phallus?
 
 
Skit
07:38 / 21.04.04
I write books and have my own symbolism for the serpent (by the way I do like snakes) and that is wisdom. I also have my own, if rather mythical version of the 'Adam and Eve' story.
 
  
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