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Opalfruit
11:39 / 09.08.01
I thought I'd raise this as it's been something that's been on my mind for quite sometime.

It's getting to the point of where we will be tracked everywhere, with cameras on street corners, increasing laws and reforms that apparently protect privacy, our own personal tracking beacons... how much surveilance do we actually need?

Does it bother you, some people will argue "if you don't have anything to hide, you've nothing to worry about".

I find the idea of being monitored constatly disturbing, I have enough problems with people sitting behind me on the bus listening to me talk...

Lately nearly every phone call I've made from home has had some music playing faintly in the background, it's kind of freaking me out.

I don't own a mobile phone, I find them disturbing and anti-social most of the time. I understand the need and the usefulness of them but..... I see people growing increasingly dependant upon them.

Anyway have a read and let your thoughts be known....


"Mobile phones: your own personal tracking beacon"

"This may come as a surprise, but when your mobile phone is switched on, your cellular network provider knows where you are in the world to within a few hundred metres.

Similar technology is used to track down lost aircraft and yachts through their radio beacons. It's not identical, because most radio beacons use satellites and cell phones use land-based aerial arrays, but the principle is the same.

At any one time, your phone is usually able to communicate with more than one of the aerial arrays provided by your network provider. They're ten or twenty kilometers apart (less in cities) and it's usually within range of at least three of them. So by comparing the signal strengths and time lags for the signals at each station, your network provider can triangulate your position and work out where you are.

This is true whenever your phone is switched on, whether you're using it or not, because every so often it sends out a check signal to make sure everything is working as it should.

Not surprisingly, the phone network companies are a little coy about admitting they have this ability. But within the industry, it's seen as just one more piece of data. There is even talk of selling the data to Internet content providers so they can send information to your Internet phone based on your location, for example reviews of nearby restaurants.

The triangulation capability of cell phone network companies varies. Some can only do it manually with a big drain on skilled manpower. Their networks are usually old. More up to date companies can generate the information automatically, which makes it cheap enought to sell."

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Ierne
11:53 / 09.08.01
Here's a project about mapping all the hidden cameras in Manhattan.

[ 09-08-2001: Message edited by: Ierne ]
 
 
rizla mission
16:19 / 09.08.01
More good reasons to completely avoid the use of telephones.
 
 
netbanshee
19:15 / 09.08.01
This reminds me of the push (and counter) to use small GPS devices in cell-phones to track one even better. If I can remember where I read about it, I'll post some links.

That and the "new" thing where if you're using a Palm Pilot or cell phone and pass certain areas of a city, you can be paged with adverts from signaling devices in the fronts of stores and bus-stops. The draw being that if you're there, you might be able to get special user coupons..sounds like a marketing strategy to me. There's also small networks being created where "free" air net connections are being established where you can go on the internet (via a technology similar to Apple's "Airport") when in certain parts of a city (think there's a few in San Fran).

Just more doors of conveniance...where consumers get deals and companies just track you better...
 
 
Fengs for the Memory
11:03 / 10.08.01
Lately nearly every phone call I've made from home has had some music playing faintly in the background, it's kind of freaking me out.

Thats your stereo my friend
 
 
Opalfruit
11:26 / 10.08.01
quote:Originally posted by Ray Feng:
Lately nearly every phone call I've made from home has had some music playing faintly in the background, it's kind of freaking me out.


You too? Christ I'm not the only one. I've just moved house and I get at the new place as well. It usually starts out as Blondie... going through various other songs....last time I had Europe the Final Countdown.....
 
 
Ierne
11:55 / 10.08.01
Last night I found myself in a cab going uptown to 30th Street & 8th Avenue, a rare situation. I noticed a sign by the inside window that said:

BEWARE! YOU ARE BEING PHOTOGRAPHED!

I politely asked the cabbie if I was indeed being photographed, since due to the heat wave I was not looking my best. He laughed, and told me that the camera wasn't actually on at the moment, not to worry.

I asked him where it was (right above the dashboard on the passenger side) and he said that he only turned the camera on if he felt threatened by a passenger. I mentioned the street cameras and he said yes, the ones on 14th & 23rd Streets, those were probably on all the time, which is "not good for privacy."

He didn't like the camera in the cab himself, but as there was no barrier between him and the backseat, he considered it a safety precaution.

[ 10-08-2001: Message edited by: Ierne ]
 
 
fluid_state
16:29 / 10.08.01
on cell phones: my roommate works for Canada's largest (read: acceptably monopolistic) phone service (he deals with cell phone "security"). any cell phone under their sat signals can be tracked to within 50 feet, assuming it's on at the time. This company owns a large percentage of the cell phone network here, and they own ALL of our regular land lines.

on advertising through communications technology: next door neighbor has a "call display" phone; I go over and notice that the digital readout, when not in use, displays advertising slogans every 10 seconds. the readout begins to display something I'm curious about, so I hit the button marked "more", assuming that more information will come up on the display. No. the phone starts to autodial, and before I know it, I'm connected to a telemarketer trying to sell me something barely related to the tagline that originally hooked me. I hung up, but not before they added my neighbor to their list of potential buyers. They're still calling him once a week.

on privacy: I went up to see my parents a few days ago; phone rings, call display says :"Private Name" and displays a phone number. I answer, they hang up. my dad mentions that he'd like to know who that was, as they get a lot of these hang-ups and my mom is a relatively public figure in the hood. within five minutes on the net, I had a name, address and a fucking MAP to our previously unknown caller's house. reverse phone lookup, gotta love 'em. Or not.

privacy's not dead, it's just being recontextualized. after all, if you've got nothing to hide, you obviously don't need privacy, do you? what else would you use it for?
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
10:42 / 11.08.01
If you're able to find someone's address through BT's online phonebook then it helpfully gives you a map showing exactly where they live. Stalkerific!

And speed cameras over here are going to be painted to stand out more, in the latest attempt to keep speeds down.
 
 
rizla mission
10:54 / 11.08.01
quote:Originally posted by Ray Feng:
Lately nearly every phone call I've made from home has had some music playing faintly in the background, it's kind of freaking me out.

Thats your stereo my friend


I'm confused .. Who's playing this music? What's it s'posed to indicate?
 
 
ynh
16:41 / 11.08.01
'Cause I'm so hopelessly not current, I'm prolly adding nothing new, but...

Lockheed Martin has installed for free 5 camera's on District of Columbia municipal patrol cars and trained the police in their use. The system tracks speeding cars and photographs the ofeender's license plate. Said then recieves a ticket in the mail in about two weeks. Given that most of the roads are 25mph, they'll be handing out more high fine tickets. How many? Estimates suggest an 8-fold increase, from 10k to 80k per month. An AAA spokesman did the math, "That's 3 tickets for every licensed driver in D.C. every year."

The best part? All Lockheed gets is $29 per ticket in return.
 
 
Not Here Still
15:21 / 13.08.01
originally posted by thge Lozt and Found Office:

If you're able to find someone's address through BT's online phonebook then it helpfully gives you a map showing exactly where they live. Stalkerific!

Yeah, and if you go to 192.com and sign up, you can merge the phone directory with the electoral roll and find a load of people in Britain.

I laughed at this at first, and told my mate 'Oh yeah, try me then.'

When he did, it came up with my full name - including my middle names - and my phone number. It works frighteningly well, and it certainly shut me up.
 
 
netbanshee
16:41 / 13.08.01
quoten privacy: I went up to see my parents a few days ago; phone rings, call display says :"Private Name" and displays a phone number. I answer, they hang up. my dad mentions that he'd like to know who that was, as they get a lot of these hang-ups and my mom is a relatively public figure in the hood. within five minutes on the net, I had a name, address and a fucking MAP to our previously unknown caller's house. reverse phone lookup, gotta love 'em. Or not.

Was on the phone with a girl I started dating and told her that I could find out all sorts of stuff on her via the internet. Two minutes later I had better directions to her "new" house than she could give me. Needless to say she's happy I'm a nice guy...
 
  
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