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Serial Experiments: Lain (possible spoilers)

 
 
Seth
13:42 / 03.05.03
I thought it was about time we had a couple of threads that got into meaty discussions of anime, as opposed to the list threads in which we all recommend stuff at each other. First up is Lain, as it's the one I've seen most recently.

First of all there's a practical consideration. The version I got was from Singapore, and the quality of the subs was abysmal. Anyone who wants to buy the set from me at a very low price can make me an offer via PM - it's watchable, but you may have to do a little more rooting around to decipher what's going on (bear in mind that this is Lain we're talking about - it's hard work to understand at times anyway). Does anyone know where I can get hold of a well subbed set? Which version has the best translation?

Second of all, WTF? The central storyline of evolution via technology is central to a lot of anime, but there's a lot of scenes that mess with your brain. I'll run through and make a list of the ones that I want to discuss over the next couple of days.

Lastly, how cute is Lain in her bear PJs?
 
 
netbanshee
18:02 / 03.05.03
I'm not sure where you're at, but in the US you can pick up the DVD box set with all of the episodes (4 discs and nice packaging) for about $125. True it's expensive, but pioneer had to pay a pretty penny to get them for distribution. The titles have an english track and work pretty well with the flick. I generally listen to the japanese with subs, but I never thought to watch it this way. Now Akira on the other hand...

The storyline does get a bit confusing at parts and parts seem to mesh less than I'd like, but the themes and the visuals are great. I like the Macintosh influences (Copland OS, which was a highly funded new interface that never quite made it... got pieced and added to the NEXT OS/Rhapsody to make OS X) and those little outfits (you're right on the bear pj's).
 
 
at the scarwash
20:55 / 03.05.03
This is one of my favorite works in any genre. It's one of those things where you almost feel that the writer might be losing track of everything, plot threads that fade off into nothingness, but it's so damned weird that no one can tell if anything's intentional. Jesus it's creepy. The gunman at the disco.
 
 
Seth
22:29 / 03.05.03
The scene that creeped me out most was Lain's sister coming home to find herself already there, only when Lain looks over to where her sister should be there's just this weird ghost standing there by the front door. Fucked. Up.
 
 
Pirate Ven Will Teach You To Lambada (The Forbidden Dance)
01:17 / 04.05.03
Brilliant piece of work. I used to wonder if perhaps not even the writer understands any of it...
The creepiest bit to me were the dead people who randomly fade into nonfaced things with assloads of face...hole....things.
Nonetheless, beautiful ending.
I'll write more about it later, too...tired...
 
 
arcboi
14:00 / 05.05.03
I've heard nothing but good things about Lain. This is still one of the things on top of my shopping list although I don't want to endure a crap copy (and there's plenty about). I'm planning on a trip to the US shortly so I might put it off until then and get a nice fresh copy (saves on the postage!).
 
 
Essential Dazzler
14:00 / 15.05.07
That was a very weird first episode. It's a fairly brave move starting a series off on that foot.

Similaraties in tone to Boogiepop are fairly evident. I know absolutely nothing about this series, it's rare for me to watch something without even having read a synopsis, I'm interested to see where it goes.
 
 
Essential Dazzler
14:01 / 15.05.07
Anime threads didn't do well back in the day did they?
 
 
Essential Dazzler
14:06 / 15.05.07
I'm imagining, with a human character namechecked in the title, it'll be more focused, less sprawling than Boogiepop.

It might even go as far as having a character you can connect with.
 
 
uncle retrospective
14:45 / 15.05.07
I would go that far, it is as head melting as people have mentioned, it took me weeks to watch all 13 ep's. I have to watch it again because when it did get round to explaining itself it made sense but it was just so god damn frustrating!
It is really creepy. The stuff in the nightclub freaked me out.
 
 
Ticker
14:56 / 15.05.07
we actually bailed on it half way through because it was just too surreal to pull us in. but yes the PJ's were most excellent.
 
 
uncle retrospective
15:43 / 15.05.07
The end is worth it, if you can sit through it.
 
 
Seth
15:51 / 15.05.07
Ooo. I totally forgot I started this thread. And since I now have a decent version of the series I might have a Lain night and rewatch the lot. Perhaps I'll have something sensible to say about it now I'm four years older.

Anime threads didn't do well back in the day did they?

Sometimes I feel as though it's the tireless work of about five people that keep them going through sheer willpower and obsession, even today.
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
17:55 / 15.05.07
Lain is one of those almost totemically cerebral titles held up by anime fans as an example of the medium producing something 'intellectual' and thus respectable, much in the style of Ghost in the Shell.

I think this is a misnomer and somewhat of an incomplete approach to appreciating a show that in my case certainly, had a very instinctual and emotional appeal. Both GitS and Ergo Proxy found me at odds with the way they'd been promoted in that sense. For the former, it was the visceral action, the heavily sublimated emotional lives of the leads and sense of the intellectual content being embodied in the plot and characters, rather than being superimposed philosoporn as it's often accused of being, that drew me in; with Ergo Proxy design and character work were what accomplished the same task, in a more or less effortless fashion.

For Lain, then, my advice for new viewers would be to treat it as a mood piece and let the atmosphere sink into you over time rather than expend a lot of effort trying to come up with some all-encompassing mythos in which to cram all its contradictory elements... advice that would have been well heeded by the makers of the frankly odd, amateurish but enjoyable Lain fan guide which comes with an appendix for people wanting to play their own RPG of the show (!). If anyone wants to borrow my copy they'd be welcome.

It might even go as far as having a character you can connect with.

Don't worry on this score. Lain herself is at once remote and iconic and intimately identifiable-with, if you find yourself in tune with the series. And there are plenty of walk-ons who manage to convey a great deal with a minimum of characterisation.

Lain was a series I watched on rental and have been meaning to acquire permanently. Now that this thread's been revived I think I'll get round to it.
 
 
Nocturne
10:13 / 28.05.07
I just tried to get involved in a "discussion" on another anime site. Gosh was it a waste of time. Thank you, Barbelith!

Not that I have anything important to say on the subject of Lain.

I wasn't sure whether to be happy or sad at the end. It was good, just so... lonely. Though I suppose being a god would be. The bear pj's were awesome. The club was creepy - why were kids there? And what's with the supposed similarities between this and Texhnolyze? Slow start, yeah, but other than that, well, I didn't see anything.
 
 
Essential Dazzler
22:28 / 19.08.07
I still haven't watched past episode 5 of this, but I've just unintentionally stumbled across a single line spoiler of events to come, and it's ticked a major phobia box of mine. I'm actually shaking.

I'm going to marathon the rest of the series right now, and maybe get some sleep next week.

I'm so freaked out I'm making fuck all sense, and it's still all in my head.

Here's hoping I've misinterpreted it.
 
 
Essential Dazzler
01:07 / 20.08.07
Oh God, it was episode 8, the opening narration about Roswell alerted me.

Cut to Lain, the splashes, hello? no answer, she crawls to get a better view, oh shit, it's openend the door thats all my nightmares in one go on the screen right there, OH SHIT DON'T DO A CLOSE UP IT DID A CLOSE UP AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH.


Am fragile, bit broken.
 
 
Razor Wind
04:24 / 20.08.07
It's been ages since I've seen this. Part of me wants to go back and rewatch it just to make sense of the plot.
The rest is admonishing me for not making it through the twistedness of Paranoia Agent and for wanting to go for the easy,less disturbing option.
You're right about it feeling lonely. At the time I saw it,I was totally unprepared for the ending — even though it felt like a cop-out,I also felt gratification,envy and loss,because despite Lain's passivity,she connected.
This is a major theme in the series;even when you're 'on' the Internet,you're still sitting alone in a room,typing and clicking on a machine in a vaguely masturbatory fashion. ;-)
 
 
Essential Dazzler
12:53 / 20.08.07
Embarrasing freak-out over.

I just finished the series. Hmm, it was a weird one. I'm still not quite sure what to make of it, I'm fairly certain that I've got a vague handle on what the series was about, and what the ending meant, but as a whole the series is a complete mess in my head. I can't make head nor tail of the story itself.

It's the first time I've finished a series that I haven't instantly wanted to watch it again, mostly because I'm not really sure what I'll get out of it. I can't imagine the opaque bits making more sense in the light of the ending, because it wasn't particularly revelatory.

It was a willfully obscure, terrifying, slog. The hardest I've ever had to work to watch a series, but I think it was worth it.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
16:20 / 20.08.07
I've actually forgotten the exact details of the climax, but I remember being distinctly underwhelmed by it. All the previous episodes hook into this stuff about loneliness, isolation, evolution - Big Themes - and it's cut off just when it's geting seriously deep by a conclusion featuring a traditional anime gutsmonster, tied to the revelation that it wasn't about human evolution at all.

Maybe I just read too much into those preceeding episodes. Or maybe I just interpreted them all incorrectly. But you get to that big reveal and it feels like a series that's suddenly lost its way, decided to be about something completely different, right when it matters the most.
 
  
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