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No star here laces
15:14 / 29.04.03
The guardian does it again
 
 
grant
15:53 / 29.04.03
Gist of the article:

And yet, Public Enemy and NWA were never known for homophobia as much as lambasting everyone: the police, Koreans, women, other black people, other black people's mothers, all figures of authority, Jews, gays, absolutely everyone. The ideal of verbal battle was crucial to early hip-hop - everything that could ever in one's wildest dreams function as an insult was pressed into use.

Ultimately, it was not black rappers but white ones who corrupted this form; being too yellow (white?) to hurl racial slurs, groups such as the Beastie Boys and, latterly, Eminem, concentrated their abuse solely on women and gays, made it more violent and, crucially, more pointed, since it was no longer part of a scattergun attack. The Beastie Boys have recently apologised for their homophobia (the working title for their debut album, they said at the time, was Don't Be a Faggot). Adam Horovitz wrote at the end of last year: "I would like to... formally apologise to the entire gay and lesbian community for the shitty and ignorant things we said on our first record." Note, he does not apologise to any other minority, since there was no racial content, and misogyny (still!) doesn't count.
 
 
bio k9
18:36 / 29.04.03
Note, he does not apologise to any other minority, since there was no racial content, and misogyny (still!) doesn't count.

I Want To Say a Little Something That's Long Overdue
The Disrespect To Women Has Got To Be Through
To All The Mothers And Sisters And the Wives And Friends
I Want To Offer My Love And Respect To The End
 
 
HysteriX
19:16 / 29.04.03
have you ever noticed how m&m and other "white" mc's only start and/or have beef with other "white" mc's.
wat up wit dat
dees crackas is waq
 
 
bio k9
22:07 / 29.04.03
I'll agree that Em (like most other big name MCs) rarely, if ever, battles anyone worth bothering with. Cannibus? Benzito? Whatever. They don't have the potential to end his career like LL did to Kool Moe D. Its boring. But they aren't white.
 
 
A
01:01 / 30.04.03
Well, gosh, Ms. Williams has certainly convinced me!

A lesser writer might have mentioned more than four hip-hop acts, but she doesn't need to. White hip-hop acts have been unforgiveably homophobic, but black ones haven't. End of story.

I particularly enjoyed her taking Adam Horovitz to task for not apologising for the racism that wasn't on the Beastie Boys' first album. Who does he think he is?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
09:40 / 30.04.03
I think he thinks he's Kathleen Hanna's little boy-bitch. And he's right.

Count Adam, do you have a point at all? (Not that this thread is all that point-full...) As far as I can tell, Zoe Williams' point is not that "White hip-hop acts have been unforgiveably homophobic, but black ones haven't. End of story.", it's that hip-hop and black culture in general is taken to task for homophobia in a disproportionate manner, on the basis of examples which are no more numerous than one might find in mainstream, white-dominated culture. Would you like to argue that this is not the case?
 
  
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