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Santorum (3rd ranking US Republican): Gay Rights=Bestiality=Adultery= . . .

 
 
alas
20:16 / 28.04.03
Check this out:
Santorum: 'I have a problem with homosexual acts'


There's a bunch of weird things going on in this interview with Rick Santorum--Republican Senator from Pennsylvania, and third in power to Bush and Cheney within the government. It was widely reprinted in virtually all major newspapers and media websites in the U.S.

In the interview, he says:
--against "homosexual acts" not "homosexuality" per se, and
---blames liberalism and feminism for creating basically all the problems of our world today.
--says the "right to privacy" stems only from the contraception case, Griswold v. Griswold, and Roe v. Wade, legalizing abortion, and that it's unconstitutional.
--also includes his bizarre explanation for why liberalism is to blame for the Catholic Church's pedophilia scandal (which he here characterizes as priests having sex with "post-pubescent men"!!).

[After a quick search, I haven't found this interview discussed anywhere else on Barbelith (excuse me if I missed it--I've been off the 'lith for too long)]

My question: How representative of the U.S. right, the Republican Party, is this statement?

My second question: At what point should I just pick up and move out of this country?

alas.
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
20:28 / 28.04.03
I don't really know enough about the Republican party to say with confidence how representative he is, but the President has backed him, hasn't he? (albeit through Ari Fleischer rather than in person, but that doesn't really make any difference).

This piece from pennlive.com ('The Patriot-News') suggests that Satorum's Republican supporters are being forced to gag themselves for fear of the liberal press (ho-hum):

Santorum's defenders are under a gag order. Officials at the White House and Republican National Committee told GOP insiders yesterday, by conference call, voice mail and e-mail not to comment about Santorum's comments, letting him speak for himself. ...
Republicans who did respond tried to portray the controversy as a Democratic Party conspiracy and endeavored to change the subject.

Pennsylvania Republican State Committee spokesman Chad Saylor said, "If we're surprised about anything, it's the [Democrats'] attempts to hype this. Pennsylvanians are concerned about the war and the economy, not about this nonsense."


Who was it who blamed 'gays, lesbians and liberals' for 9/11? I can't remember - Pat Buchanan?
 
 
alas
20:41 / 28.04.03
post 9/11, It was Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson, who are televangelists, making the gays/feminists/abortionists claim. This is a very high-ranking Republican, which makes it particularly worrisome. It makes sense that they're just keeping quiet about it, politically. But that of course suggests that they agree, but just don't want to upset people be being too public in their agreement.

The "post-pubescent" thing really gets me, and hasn't been discussed much by anybody. At some other point in the interview he accused feminism of being a father-hating movment.
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
20:58 / 28.04.03
Perhaps people just think it's an idiotic slip? That was my first thought - the alternative was too bizarre. But then this:

SANTORUM: ...it goes back to this moral relativism, which is very accepting of a variety of different lifestyles. And if you make the case that if you can do whatever you want to do, as long as it's in the privacy of your own home, this "right to privacy," then why be surprised that people are doing things that are deviant within their own home? If you say, there is no deviant as long as it's private, as long as it's consensual, then don't be surprised what you get. You're going to get a lot of things that you're sending signals that as long as you do it privately and consensually, we don't really care what you do. And that leads to a culture that is not one that is nurturing and necessarily healthy. I would make the argument in areas where you have that as an accepted lifestyle, don't be surprised that you get more of it.

AP: The right to privacy lifestyle?

SANTORUM: The right to privacy lifestyle.

AP: What's the alternative?

SANTORUM: In this case, what we're talking about, basically, is priests who were having sexual relations with post-pubescent men. We're not talking about priests with 3-year olds, or 5-year olds. We're talking about a basic homosexual relationship.


Crikey. And more:

And if the Supreme Court says that you have the right to consensual sex within your home, then you have the right to bigamy, you have the right to polygamy, you have the right to incest, you have the right to adultery. You have the right to anything. Does that undermine the fabric of our society?

(Sorry for quoting so much from alas's link, but - to quote Leap - !!!!!??!!!?!)

I suppose the idea that there's no right to privacy fits in with Poindexter's new bureau, but really. I'm actually speechless (well, almost).
 
 
Nietzsch E. Coyote
22:05 / 28.04.03
Wow. That is scary.

Yes, but it destroys the basic unit of our society because it condones behavior that's antithetical to strong healthy families.

Hah! I spotted the error. The basic unit of the US is the individual and their inalieable rights, not the family. Wow, looked at that way I'm not a radical i'm hyper-conservative.

Watch out for our precious bodily fluids!
 
 
Baz Auckland
22:45 / 28.04.03
I remember the initial explanation was that (paraphrased) "he wasn't commenting on homosexuality in general, but only in regards to the specific case in front of the supreme court. He wasn't making judgements, but only commenting on a legal case."

I don't understand the difference, but maybe it's just a poor excuse.
 
 
Hieronymus
01:20 / 29.04.03
I hate to be a demagogue about this guy but was I the only one who found the portions marked "(unintelligible)" comically ironic?

This is exactly the kind of conservative ferocity against the 'Evil Left' which is applauded behind closed doors and met with affirming silence in public.

The tragic part is Bush's track record makes it clear he endorses this sort of extremist thinking, having no compunction in the past to appointing individuals much like Santorum to positions in his Cabinet (ex: past controversy over Jerry Thacker's appointment to the Presidential Advisory Council on HIV & Dr. David Hager's appointment as head of women's issues for the Reproductive Health Drugs Advisory Committee). While the White House doesn't endorse this rhetoric outright for political distancing in case things get heated, they're more than happy to see it put out in the public forum. Which makes me ill.

And how the hell does Santorum suddenly take consensual sex between two adults and devolve it into comparisons with incest? Bit of leap there, Rick.
 
 
Jack Fear
02:15 / 29.04.03
Well, anything that doesn't occur within the sacred bond of marriage is all the same to Santorum.

Andrew Sullivan has been all over this one, as you may imagine. It's amusing to watch Sullivan, who is an openly gay (and HIV+) neoconservative, squirming on this—he is shocked, shocked to find such bigotry in his beloved Republican party! This isn't what real conservatives are like! Real conservatives like, well, Andrew Sullivan himself, for instance...
 
 
Jack Fear
02:36 / 29.04.03
BTW, though, Rick Santorum is not "third in power to Bush and Cheney within the government." If you're talking about the order of succession, that would be Dennis Hastert, Speaker of the House of Representatives.

He is the third ranking Republican in the Senate, which puts him behind Robert Byrd and Bill Frist. Here's an org chart: Santorum's in the "Leadership" row, four rows down.

He's Chairman of the Senate Republican Conference, which coordinates party votes in that particular house of Congress, and as such directs the communications operations of Senate Republicans.

He's a party hack, a face, and a mouthpiece, in other words.
 
  
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