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The Barbelith Streetcret Language

 
 
Margin Walker
02:29 / 25.07.01
Tagging. Graffiti is omniprescent nowadays. It's nothing new: Gypsies in France & US hobos in the Depression had their own secret iconic grafitti for things like "Dangerous dog: Avoid!" & "Here lives a kind woman. She'll feed you." The vampires in "Blade" had their secret grafitti.

So how about us? I'm not talking about graffiti in the "this is my turf" territorial sense. I'm talking of an icon/stencil to take it to the street, in an iconic way, so that it's visible, but with no obvious message--lest ya know what it stands for. I suppose one could do the red Barbelith "sun", but it'd be mistaken for a survey marker or something. So, how's about it, all of you webgeek/graphics types up for a challenge?
 
 
rizla mission
08:35 / 25.07.01
sounds good.

Several good graffiti tips in the first Invisibles story arc.
 
 
big city deserter
08:35 / 25.07.01
I'm game. But if no-one knows what it stands for apart from us, what use is it? Like a secret handshake, it would be totally exclusionist.
How about some brain expanding graffiti - the equivalent of a zen koan in spray paint? Being of very little brain I can't think of any examples and will leave it to all you's barbellectuals.
 
 
invisible_al
08:35 / 25.07.01
Well theres always ' and so we begin again' or something alonmg the lines of white flame meditation.
The phrase "New Media = New Arse" is the best bit of graffti I've seen in a while, all over nathan barley territory :-)
mr fogoou has the right idea
 
 
GRIM
11:49 / 25.07.01
How about....



Fairly quick and fluid to draw and run, is a sigilification of 'Barbelith' and seems to have lots of other symbols embedded within it.

GRIM
 
 
grant
19:42 / 25.07.01
I'm sticking with my stickers, for now....
 
 
invisible_al
09:40 / 26.07.01
Go on then, what stickers?

And as for slogans how about 'this is not a situationist slogan' or perhaps the classic 'this is not a wall'. Anything that makes you go eh? and then engage the brain.

If we need a symbol I'd go with the barbelith symbol, as it has the virtue of simplicity and being easy to do as a stencil as well.
 
 
the Fool
09:40 / 26.07.01
An idea for a sticker...

 
 
Anaconda Jones
09:40 / 26.07.01
My all time favorite bit of graffiti is along the Heathrow express line (as of two weeks ago anyhow). It's so true.

"Only the ridiculous survive."

Oops - just read back over that and realized how irrelevent to this thread the posting is..

[ 26-07-2001: Message edited by: Anaconda Jones ]
 
 
The Mr E suprise
09:40 / 26.07.01
General Icons are cool. A newcastle art project involved aseries of messages carefully embedded on walls around the city. you had to really look for them, and they looked like they'd been there for years.

They said things like "try to remember" (I'm badly misquoting).

Same artist put one word, almost translucent stickers on the windows of a metro. You had to walk up and down the train, and the meaning of the message changed depending on how you read it.

I'd say the icons should be vague. We are about self discovery, not direct marketing.

(the icon that translates to a url that points to barbelith is a nice idea)

Hmm, anyone know any good urls on 1) the guy who painted space invaders around the world and b) the andre the giant guy? (yes , I know we've discussed this before, but there methods may be worth a look)
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
09:40 / 26.07.01
If you're talking about that Obey/Giant guy whose page looks a lot like KMDFM cover-art, it's obeygiant.com, though andrethegiant.com also works...

Would an url be necessary, either? I mean, if you have the word "barbelith" on it, wouldn't the sort of person who's likely to act on a sticker just put that into a search-engine, or into the address line and give it a shot, anyway?

Incidentally, one of the best pieces of graffiti I've ever seen was an answer to someone else's commentary. On the side of a house in Newtown, someone had written:

GOD HATES HOMOS

and underneath, someone else had writte:

BUT SHE REALLY LIKES TABOULEH.

Which never fails to get a grin when I see it. Class. The council seem to tolerate it - it's been there for years...

[ 26-07-2001: Message edited by: Rothkoid ]
 
 
Margin Walker
09:40 / 26.07.01
If we need a symbol I'd go with the barbelith symbol, as it has the virtue of simplicity and being easy to do as a stencil as well.

Here's the idea I just had (due to my insomnia). Have it be like the marraige symbol



but put on end to symbolize the 2 overlapping meta-universes (like when KM explained to Robin that the Christian fish icon is the symbol for the universe we live in). Like this:



And in the middle overlapping section,



have a small red dot towards the top in the third eye region to symbolize Jack's 3rd eye/the Technooccult/the coming Barbelith. Whatever you want it to mean. Just like the comic. Sorry I'm not more adept at doing this web shit or otherwise I'd make a complete mock-up of what I'm getting at. Hope that's precise enough.
 
 
Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero
09:40 / 26.07.01
I like the koan deal. Like, having "red" written in green paint and "green" in red paint. Yes, I've just finished the Illuminatus! trilogy. But it's a decent idea regardless.

I really like this idea, by the way.

[ 26-07-2001: Message edited by: Johnny O'Clock ]
 
 
Margin Walker
10:04 / 26.07.01
I'm game. But if no-one knows what it stands for apart from us, what use is it? Like a secret handshake, it would be totally exclusionist.

Believe me, the last thing I'd want is exclusion. My main concern is that symbols get co-opted--constantly. The Volkswagon symbol origionally meant "Viva!" or "Up with!". The Mitsubishi icon is a Nordic icon for "divine power". Etc., etc., etc....

How about some brain expanding graffiti - the equivalent of a zen koan in spray paint?

My main concern w/ something like that is that 1) it wouldn't stand out amongst all of the other graffiti & 2) it'd be taken as marking your territitory and it'd either be painted over or defaced. That's why I went with the iconic way (see my last post).
 
 
Rollo Kim, on location
10:11 / 26.07.01
This is a cool idea - as MW points out, surely it needs to look like it's something MORE than just a tag? Why not something as close to the Barbelith buoy as possible?
 
 
big city deserter
11:27 / 26.07.01
If you want something that is Barbelith specific then why not "King Mob"? This icon idea attracts me but again if no-one understands it, its just another tag or a sly nod to those in the know. I like the red sprayed in green idea, and "this is not a wall". Haven't we got some statements(for want of a better word) in handy one sentance non-cryptic form we could make? Mutate and survive?
The best graffitti I've seen is in Manchester these massive cartoon children with things like "TV made us do it" next to them.
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
22:35 / 26.07.01
"King Mob" is classic in that it has relavence to those who are not clued into the Invisibles and yet still are at least succeptable to the same wavelength.

"W.A.S.T.E." is another all time classic. Straight out of Pyncheon's "Crying of Lot 41" and appears in the Invisibles as well.

The main issue to creating a Streetcret Language is making sure that someone other than the Undergrounders here "get it" and yet isn't completely obvious.

Hell, my old favourite is the classic "Barbelith".

And please, Old Man Osprey, Mistah Grant, tell us of these stickers. A how to would be splendid as some of us are sticker and kinkos inept.
 
 
Blank Faced Avatar
05:10 / 27.07.01
Yet again the site on Symbols pointed out by Warewulf comes in handy here, as it has all those old Gypsy/Underworld gatepost marks for 'Generous House', 'Watchdog here' etc. So's you can link the new marks into an older form - opening the possibility that someone could decipher meaning from the marks without having to know the maker personally.

Oh yeah, and a word which people will get good info from if they type it into a search engine is a powerful magic - Barbelith is good, type it in & you'll come here: I also like to leave 'Zapatista','Echelon is watching you', & 'Chaos Magic works.'

[ 27-07-2001: Message edited by: the Humble Crab ]
 
 
grant
17:28 / 27.07.01
I've tried to write a sticker how-to twice, the computer froze both times. Here's hoping #3 is the charm.
 
 
grant
17:31 / 27.07.01
My latest round of stickers came from a long post on a previous incarnation of Barbelith, a document called "Pass It On." Lots of groovy stuff on gnosticism and the internal revolution, culled from a variety of sources (including, mostly, a lot of previous message board posts).

I've also still got a few dozen vinyl "Ralph Nader Has a Posse" stickers, but those weren't done at Kinko's.
If you've got a budget, get a sticker company to make them for you. If not, do it this way:
 
 
grant
18:14 / 27.07.01
stickers the kinko’s way

Here’s what you need.
  • a message. This can be a picture, a poem, a slogan or a thought – bear in mind it’s gotta be legible from a xerox, though.
    My current favorite (posted in the men’s room stall where I work):
    O you whom I often and silently come where you are, that I may be near you
    As I walk by your side, or sit near, or remain in the same room with you
    Little do you realize the subtle electric fire that for your sake is play-ing within me.
    -- Walt Whitman


  • a piece of blank, standard sized paper. In the US, 8.5”x11”. In England, A4. You know, typing paper. This’ll be your template.

  • a xerox machine. Use the ones at work, or use the ones at your local copy center – it’s where you’ll wind up eventually, anyway.
    Xerox as many copies of the message as will fit neatly on one side of that blank paper.
    O you whom I often and silently come…
    O you whom I often and silently come…
    O you whom I often and silently come…
    O you whom I often and silently come…


  • scissors and scotch tape. So you can attach the copies of your message to that blank piece of paper. Make a single xerox of that sheet, and voila, you’ve got your master copy.

    NOTE: It’s a good idea to orient the copies, if possible, into two par-allel columns on your template. Most “crack-n-peel” sticker paper comes with two cracks along the back to peel the backing off, and it’s much quicker to peel two bits of backing off a sticker than three, which is what you get when you have two cracks on the back instead of one. Get it?
    NOTE: It’s also a very good idea to make those two columns of messages parallel and symmetrical. You’re eventually going to be cutting these stickers up en masse, and the more long, straight lines you give yourself, the easier it is to separate ‘em out.

  • About $1.50 or so. As of this writing (July 2001), that’s the price for a single sheet of crack-and-peel sticker paper at Kinko’s. (Actually, I have a terrible memory for small figures and I’m highbal-ling it a little.) If you live anywhere in any developing nation, chances are there’s a Kinko’s or similar copy center near you. Up the street from Walmart, right by the Starbuck’s, catty-corner from McDonald’s.
    Take your master copy to the counter and say, “I’d like this copied on sticker paper, please.” (The “please” is important. Manners count.) The nicely uniformed person behind the counter will copy your mas-ter onto the crack-n-peel, and then say, “Thank you, may I please have $1.50?” That’s when you give the person your money and say, “My pleasure. Thank you!”
    If you want to make more stickers, use an additional two dollars and purchase another sheet. Amazing.
    The Whitman poem will fit about 10 to 12 times on a single sheet, de-pending on the type size.
    Now, when the person in the nice uniform has handed back your sticker sheet(s), you take them over to the table with the paper cutter on it and start cutting the sheet into individual stickers. Lovely proc-ess, that. Very meditative.

  • Targets. Personally, I like bathrooms – waste baskets & towel holders are especially nice surfaces, and you’ve got a modicum of privacy. With sticker paper, try to avoid places that are rough or ex-posed to water. It’s not as adhesive as it could be, and erodes under rain. It’s also nice to use places where the sticker won’t immediately be noticed and scraped off by People With No Sense of Humor. Front door of a law office – not so good. Bus shelter right outside – better. Front of stop sign – not so good. Back of stop sign – better. Of course, this depends on the nature of the message. That’s up to you.


Go now, and spread the word.

If you’d like more information and inspiration, check out www.obeygiant.com . Sheperd Fairey will convince you that distribut-ing stickers is a moral imperative. Reclaim your visual space from those who would monopolize it, baby.
 
 
Mr Tricks
23:00 / 27.07.01
so...

How can one see some of your stickers GRANT?
 
 
Mordant Carnival
07:47 / 28.07.01
Could just be me, but... doesn't this look just a little familiar? http://www.symbols.com/encyclopedia/47/475.html

Oh, and I think this would make a good sticker: http://www.symbols.com/encyclopedia/35/354.html

It has nice connotations, and its meaning is abstruse enough to give the imagination free reign.

[ 28-07-2001: Message edited by: Mordant Carnival ]
 
 
Ronald Thomas Clontle
23:21 / 29.07.01
I'm a big fan of graffiti...I've been scrawling phrases and slogans on walls since I was a young teen. Though it usually comes out pretty political, I almost always improvise on the spot, whatever words come out as they do. I treat it like automatic poetry. Those in Brooklyn should take a stroll through DUMBO or through the halls of Parsons to see my handiwork.

recent favorites of my own:

"You put a wedge in my flux"

"I change. You change. We change. Start Again"

"Vivisect my personality"

"The new sexuality wants to fuck you"

"I've waited my whole life for this"

"dropkick mr. excitement"

"everyone listens to the little boy trapped in the well"

[ 30-07-2001: Message edited by: Flux = Rad ]
 
 
Bill Posters
15:29 / 31.07.01
My most recent favourite:

"Why be a cog in the machine when you can be a spanner in the works?"
 
 
z3r0
18:06 / 31.07.01
What about "Everything Makes Senses"??

Or
This is part of the process."
 
  
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