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protest issues (a rant)

 
 
rizla mission
10:03 / 24.07.01
(Ok,ok, what I’m about to say is probably going to sound hopelessly naive and ill-considered, but I’m appreciate it if those with more facts/political conviction/experience in talking about this sort of thing hear me out before going for the kill).

Up until now, I’ve basically been sitting on the fence in regard to this whole anti-globalist protest thing (as an aside, I’m glad that the hold-all term “anti-capitalist” seems to have been dropped by the media – that pissed me off, because, as well as being a little misleading, as soon as you tried to discuss it with most people, you got “anti-capitalists, huh? What do they want instead? Communism? Huh? Huh?” – end of any rational argument).

Although I’ve been largely in favour of the protestors and their causes (let’s face it, I wouldn’t be here if I wasn’t), I’ve deliberately tried to avoid getting caught up in the exaggerated ‘good vs. evil’ dichotomy which sees the evil, blackhearted leaders meeting together for a good cackle as they count up the profits they’ve made from screwing developing countries, while their brutal fascist police force beats on the noble liberal crusaders, who are in turn vilified by the corporate lackey puppet media.

I don’t wish to deny that corporations have too much power / government’s are corrupt and ineffectual etc., but, as pointed out by The Invisibles amongst other things, this kind of simplistic, dualistic thinking is ultimately self-defeating and I didn’t want to claim membership of a movement with an ‘anti-‘ on the front that defines itself in terms of it’s enemy.

The leaders of the G8 countries may be many things – confused, indecisive, retrogressive, knuckleheaded and subservient to corporate pressure and the made up demands of “the economy” – but they’re not Darth Vader and Grand Moff Tarkin plotting the demise of everything good and pleasant.

They may not have done anything useful yet, but at least they’re discussing (or at least, claim to be discussing) environmental controls, cancelling of third world debt, limitation of the arms industry and so on and I think (or perhaps thought) that attacking them for it isn’t going to do anyone any good. (Protesting against and boycotting corporations on the other hand is something I’m all for, but maybe that shaky definition is something for another thread).

But anyway, this is the attitude I’ve been jarred out of in the last few days thanks to the events in Genoa and the related links, accounts and opinions posted here.
I realise it seems grossly selfish and short-sighted of me to say so, as far worse things happen in the third world (for want of a better term) on a daily basis, but the images and reports of people a bit like me – young, predominantly middle class, left-leaning Europeans – being attacked, injured, imprisoned and, of course, killed by the agents of a supposedly civilised Western state for doing little more than professing their belief in the developed world’s duty to enact the principles of old fashioned liberalism on a global scale has left me ..well .. terrified and disgusted in equal measure.

Add to this the seemingly deliberate refusal of the mainstream media to condemn, or even correctly report, these actions and the seeming non-interest of politicians, the EU etc. (SO FAR, I hasten to add) and I’m really starting to consider the existence of a definite political/media/corporate bias against, and opposition to, the protestors and - more seriously - the publicising & discussion of their causes.

Over reaction?

Under reaction?

Whatever, count me in for the next one basically..
 
 
Ierne
12:49 / 24.07.01
It's also important to remember that there's a lot more to fighting the good fight than traveling from protest to protest and risking your life. I'M NOT DISSING IT, BY ANY MEANS. But not everyone is cut out for that – I certainly am not. But I do believe that my choices affect the world around me, from what I choose to buy to what I choose to discuss down the pub to writing letters to the editors of various publications... there's a lot to do.

The events of the past weekend are atrocious. It's even more atrocious that most of the people I speak to either know nothing about what happened, or feel that "Well, they wanted trouble, they got it." The knowledge really needs to be spread, and that's something that the stay-at-homes (for lack of a more glamourous term) can do.
 
 
Ethan Hawke
13:45 / 24.07.01
I want to echo some of Rizla's and Ierne's statements. Like Rizla, I have little inclination to see events in Manichaen terms. However, the brutal repression evident in last week's events, and the disturbing lack of continued coverage of the events in the mainstream media (fucking Bush meeting the fucking pope is the biggest story in the world, accoding to the NY Times, and they are the epitome of "liberal" media) have gone a long way towards changing my view.

Incidentally, if it weren't for this site, I wouldn't be half as informed as I am, and I sicnerely thank everyone who has made an effort to update us on events as they happen.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
16:02 / 24.07.01
Hey Riz,

Fantastic post... really encouraging. Thanks for sharing that. It strikes me that one of the real achievements / purposes of Barbelith has been / might be to provoke people into becoming more politicised: it's certainly happened to me*. Came for the Spectacle and Conversation, stayed for the Revolution... I don't want to sound patronising or condescending at all for that very reason, ie: I know what you mean about when you suddenly realise that maybe the world doesn't look like you thought it did, that it looks a bit more like the people you thought were "extremists" said it did. I've been reading Entropy In The UK recently and it strikes me that nothing expresses this better than that moment in 'How I Became Invisible' in which Boy looks up and sees the helicopter and the black train...

I also think what you've said is further proof that it's important we remember that our own attitudes are usually and should be in a constant state of development. Which means that those who are aware of things that are going on that might change other people's outlook or spur them to action should try and provide this information in an encouraging manner, not just snap and shout at their ignorance (speaking as someone who has been guilty of both being uninformed and being self-righteous about being only slightly more informed).

Will come back to this...

*Note: or rather the very first stages have 'happened' to me - I'm well aware that knowing/saying you care is not enough, that such an easily achievable definition of 'politicised' is not and end in itself...

[ 24-07-2001: Message edited by: The Flyboy ]
 
 
Disco is My Class War
05:52 / 25.07.01
hey Rizla... thanks for your post. It's pretty amazing when you can have a really fast change of heart about this stuff, and I know that I experienced a similar (maybe not quite so intense) feeling during and after S11 last year.

There are just one or two points that I think I might add... Firstly, one of the worst misrepresentations of this 'movement of movements' or whatever it is, is the word 'anti-globalisation'. Lots of people use it to describe themselves, but I think they're doing themselves a disservice. I am not anti-globalisation: you're totally right, it's boring and useless to be 'anti' everything, and besides, 'globalisation' is such a contested term that to be against it is quite meaningless, really. Instead and this is a new thing) I am

for autonomy
for the right of indigenous people globally to their land, and the right to make decisions concerning it
for peace
for change/philosophy that crosses the whole community, not just urban-dwellers, young people, anarchists or the 'fringes'
for wealth to be shared out equally amongst the people, whatever 'wealth' means
for public decision-making over affairs which affect the people

and for everything else....

Personally, seeing it like that is helping me to transform the way I want change into something positive. There's something to be fought for, in that list. Whereas I think it's easy to be anti-corporate and not know what you want instead.

Then again, Naomi Klein said something in the lecture she gave a week or so ago which hit home to me: it's not 'globalisation' we're against, it's 'imperialism'. Imperialism is far older, and people have been fighting it for a lot longer.

So, the other point I want to make, or the question I want to ask (myself included) is, why does it take 'white kids like us' to be beaten and killed and arrested on screen to get the point home? Why do w have to see ourselves reflected back on the television screen or the photo on a website to finally become aware of the huge injustices that are going on? Why do people think that 'anti-globalisaton' protests began in Seattle, when they've been going on for thirty years in so-called 'developing nations' with no media coverage and far worse violence (and murder) perpetrated by corpoations and the state towards those protesting? It's something I participate in, and something I'm trying to answer myself.
 
 
rizla mission
05:52 / 25.07.01
quote:Originally posted by D'Luscious Rosa:

There are just one or two points that I think I might add... Firstly, one of the worst misrepresentations of this 'movement of movements' or whatever it is, is the word 'anti-globalisation'. Lots of people use it to describe themselves, but I think they're doing themselves a disservice. I am not anti-globalisation: you're totally right, it's boring and useless to be 'anti' everything, and besides, 'globalisation' is such a contested term that to be against it is quite meaningless, really.


Yeah - I've always thought of 'globalisation' as having positive connotations as well as negative ones. Saying you're 'anti-globalisation' suggests that you're opposed to the breaking down of international political boundaries and in favour of an increasingly partisan world. Which I'm not, frankly.


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Then again, Naomi Klein said something in the lecture she gave a week or so ago which hit home to me: it's not 'globalisation' we're against, it's 'imperialism'. Imperialism is far older, and people have been fighting it for a lot longer.
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That makes a lot more sense.
 
 
grant
19:37 / 25.07.01
Y'know, that's the perfect language for what I've been thinking myself.

And Rizla, we're totally in line here - meaning, I think pretty much everything you wrote here.

Nice.
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
16:20 / 15.06.05
Thought I'd bump this and add news of "Putting an end to spontaeneous protest" as the BBC TV news headline put it. (Also, this thread seemed the best place to put it.)

What do you reckon?.....

"Ever feel like you've been cheated?" - Johnny Rotten.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
18:01 / 15.06.05
I can't find anything to say except that I am DISGUSTED, angry and upset. I want to fucking twat Charles Clarke in the head with a cricket bat. Despicable, despicable government.
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
20:07 / 15.06.05
I know this might read irrelevant and smell like thread-rot, but (BTW) how can you ever "Put an end to spontaneity"? I mean, really? This is all double-speak-Derren Brown-mind-trickery to try and freeze our thunk muscles into doubt, fear and inaction. But this is the stuff (that dreams are made) of another thread..........
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
20:43 / 15.06.05
<Warning and Disclaimer: this post leads to spoilers, and is intended as a "tongue in cheek" comment. It is NOT a dig at Barbelith or anyone else, for that matter. It's a [bad] joke, so whatever you do laugh, Coyete, laugh?>

The final quote from the article which I linked to in my last post; sums it all up nicely (IMHO):

"Most dreams are mundane, involving unknown scenery and strangers, with the scenario being an everyday scene or mishap, and the dreamer is usually participating in some way.

We Are All Living in the Land of Nod. RISE AND SHINE! TIME TO WAKE UP!

(No, don't blame me for shaking you, ya lazy swines; read the title of this thread. YOU WERE WARNED!
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
21:36 / 15.06.05
I don't understand the significance... am I being stupid here?
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
21:45 / 15.06.05
No, it's p.w. Sorry, everyone, "I'm tired and showing off". Off to dark place....
 
 
unheimlich manoeuvre
08:14 / 16.06.05
I wonder if the exclusion zone will affect the Commons cleaners who are voting on strike action?
BBC News 15/06/05
 
 
Slim
13:31 / 16.06.05
Add to this the seemingly deliberate refusal of the mainstream media to condemn, or even correctly report,

I'm confused about what "correctly report," means. Are you saying that the media deliberately rigs the news? Or that in choosing between the police department's point of view and that of the protester, the media almost always broadcasts the PD's?

these actions and the seeming non-interest of politicians, the EU etc. (SO FAR, I hasten to add) and I’m really starting to consider the existence of a definite political/media/corporate bias against, and opposition to, the protestors and - more seriously - the publicising & discussion of their causes.

I would agree with this. Politicians aren't interested because those who partake in anti-globalisation marches are usually only a small segment of the population and contain little political or economic clout.

The media avoids the discussion because not only do most people (at least Americans) not believe in the anti-globalisation cause but most people don't care. I doubt that more than 25% of Americans could even name the members of the G-8.
 
 
rizla mission
13:47 / 16.06.05
I should probably point out for those who haven't had a glance at the dates that I wrote the outburst at the start of this thread about 4 whole years ago.

And as such I'm unlikely to be able to defend/discuss/apologise for it with any degree of consistency.

Regarding the story paranoidwriter has linked to in reviving it - I reckon that richly deserves a new thread in it's own right! Yet more pointless, scary and shitty legislation for our weirdly passive/aggressive chuckleheaded leaders to bother us with.... agh, who the fuck do they think they are? .. and so forth.
 
 
Slim
14:53 / 16.06.05
That's fine with me. But I'm still interested in whether you think the media bias is a conscious or unconscious act.
 
 
rizla mission
15:14 / 16.06.05
hmm.. I guess I don't think it's conscious in the sense of a conspiracy or whatever, more in the sense of an unspoken consensus among media outlets that it's best to avoid giving widespread coverage to potentially important stories which would require them to have to engage with more difficult/challenging issues and explanations than the standard tabloid YES!/NO!, GOOD!/EVIL! kind of axis.

It's the basic idea of responsible news reporting being compromised by the desire to make things more palatable/understandable for readers/viewers that bugs me I think.
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
16:03 / 16.06.05
Maybe it's also worth mentioning how TV news agencies source and share their news stories, which is clearly evident when one thinks of how the terrestrial channels in the UK always seem to have the same handful of headlines and main stories (think Reuters, Bloomsberg, Fox, CNN, etc.). For despite the odd minor difference, it can be seen that all five major UK News channels have in the past overlooked the same international event / issue which many of us might feel is MAJOR news (I can't think of a specific example right now, but I'll look out for one and add it at a later point, if necessary).

Of course, there are issues about subjectivity, about fitting so much news into (say) an hour's TV, how the channels (e.g. ITV & Ch4) are run by the same production companies, etc. However, this homogenisation and monopolisation of news agencies does appear to worsening, and this (IMHO) doesn't bode well. For example, I have been annoyed in the past when all the major news channels have allotted time to cover some trivial celebrity gossip, at the expense of other (I believe) more important NEWS items.

Also, I don't know if there's a conspiracy of sorts, but the cliché of "an editor being told by their publisher to not run an item because it might harm a sponsor" does have some truth to it. These people are all closely associated and often even friends with each other, which may or may not be necessary, but as we often don't know what their "plans" are, this could easily be interpreted as a conspiracy, especially as their actions can have a major and immediate affect on us all. e.g. The Bilderburg Conference. Of course, "they" might ALL be really nice, well meaning philanthropists, but transparency would dispel a great deal of the doubt, and having our powers to protest against "the powers that be" controlled and eroded diminishes our ability to say so.
 
  
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