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Decoding non-violent rhetoric

 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
17:25 / 22.07.01
Everybody should read this article over at Makezine.org (thanks to Rosa for linking to this site on ya blog, it rocks), on decoding non-violent rhetoric. It sums up eloquently and concisely the problems with the "non-violent protest good / violent protest bad" dichotomy, where I usually just end up getting inarticulate and shouty. This paragraph is especially key, I think...

quote:The pacifist-identified activists I’ve argued with have all had a serious problem with failing to take a critical perspective to what gets called violence and what doesn’t. They often make the argument that we must resist any opportunity to start violence, because once we “bring it to that level” there is no turning back and we justify violent response from the state. These arguments rely on an assumption that violence isn’t already present and integral the global situation, that it isn’t already at “that level.” They are forgetting or missing the fact that people are already dying in this struggle: starving, being made homeless, having their lands and cultures stolen and stripped, being raped, killed, enslaved, tortured and imprisoned, being denied healthcare, etc. When people who do not directly experience, and may in fact benefit from, the US government’s war on the poor and people of color domestically and worldwide suggest that activists taking up arms initiates violence, they rely on an unacceptable denial of how violence permeates life in this country. This is particularly troubling when it comes from activists who are familiar with current life-threatening and life-taking actions of the government and private sector, but selectively forget when they admonish their fellow activists not to respond with violence or property destruction.
 
 
Templar
20:40 / 22.07.01
But they're trying to win the support of the "herd" group, who generally abhor violence of any kind and find statements like "By any means necessary" completely incomprehensible. Think of the reasonable Daily Mail readers (there are some).

And what's Blair on about? He said something about being happy to enter into a "dialogue" (spin?) but was sad that the protestors had turned to violence. Yeah, like I see him getting within twenty miles of a debating table with anti-capitalists.
 
 
Ria
20:53 / 22.07.01
I feel agnostic on this issue. property damage doesn't bother me. some of the more violent people in my experience though don't seem to differientiate much between who they bash. they want to bash because they want to bash people they don't like because they don't like them.

after this week I think from now on we'll see more of them of course in an escalating spiral. I don't see any way around it.

[ 22-07-2001: Message edited by: Kriztalyne ]
 
 
Blank Faced Avatar
15:27 / 24.07.01
It sometimes seems like mass demos are a liability, you get brutalised by the police/military and defamed by the press/propaganda. But they can still leave you feeling like "you tried, dammit".
Modern communications affords opportunities to concert action throughout a group who remain dispersed geographically, which is probably much more scary for the Them. If only we can think of a clever prank to play .. get the entire population of China to move their mouse to the left at the same time, and the Earth slows down its rotation, an' ol' Johnny gets that 30hr day he's been hankerin' for. ( 20 in & 10 out - very civilised. )
 
  
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