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Protestor Killed in Genoa

 
  

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Regrettable Juvenilia
12:53 / 21.07.01
I should fucking hope so...
 
 
reidcourchie
14:26 / 21.07.01
Just in case we forget.

Carlo Giuliani.
 
 
Mordant Carnival
16:40 / 21.07.01
quote:Originally posted by gentleman loser:

You know, I was going to post how protesting was a complete waste of time since the haves always triumph over the have nots. It's nice to have something like this strengthen my resolve (though I am sorry that it took the death of an innocent person).


If protesting was a waste of time, they wouldn't try to stop it.
 
 
Perfect Tommy
19:46 / 21.07.01
More mainstream press takes: There was a picture of the demonstrator's body with police in full riot gear and shields on the bottom half of the New York Times' front page. The Los Angeles Times, however, didn't make it clear that the police were responsible (and there were no photos of the street at all).
 
 
Jackie Susann
06:08 / 22.07.01
Infoshop has the best selection of links to Genoa-related news stories I know of, divided into indie and corporate. You'll have to scroll down a bit. The latest I've heard is that police attacked the Genoan indymedia centre and injured a lot of people. International solidarity actions - in solidarity with the protests in general or Giuliani in particular - have taken place at US and Italian consulates over the last two days.

Incidentally, I'm pretty sure "anarchist" is being used indiscriminately to describe non-passive protestors. Although it seems Giuliani was actually an anarchist.
 
 
Disco is My Class War
08:36 / 22.07.01
Radio Gap are doing a press conference right now... the IMC and Radio Gap office has been raided and a lot of people have been arrested, inclding fifty (?) people sleeping in a hall. Someone (the moderator, I think, who's in Genoa) in the Indymedia IRC channel (irc.indymedia.org) claimed that four people are now dead.

Crazy. Sheerly crazy. My heart goes to them....
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
15:29 / 22.07.01
From the Obsrever today:

quoteespite the widespread international horror at the killing of Giuliani, the conduct of the police was defended by Tony Blair, who blamed a minority of demonstrators 'bent on violence'.

Blair insisted that the G8 leaders should be able to meet to do their work, despite calls by Italian papers and local people to suspend the summit.

'To criticise the Italian police and the Italian authorities for working to make sure the security of the summit is right is, to me, to turn the world upside down,' Blair said yesterday.

'Of course, it is a tragedy that someone has lost their life. But it's very difficult for the police when they are faced with people throwing petrol bombs and using extreme forms of violence.'


Riiiiiight, Tony:







Only slightly less sickening:



I love the caption at the Infoshop site for that last picture: "Corporate rock musicians caught on film hobnobbing with violent British leader."
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
15:33 / 22.07.01
quote:Originally posted by Jackie Nothing Special:
Incidentally, I'm pretty sure "anarchist" is being used indiscriminately to describe non-passive protestors.


I think it's being used even more widely and indiscriminately than that: to describe all protestors. It's even being used that way by some of the protestors themselves (although I'm not sure Noreena Hertz counts as a protestor, actually... I'm a bit suspicious of her in general.)
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
15:35 / 22.07.01
Carlo Giuliani:



What really irks me is the way that the supposed "international outcry" over his death seems in many cases to amount to "tut tut, it's a tragedy but you brought it on yourselves, naughty anarchists, you were warned, etc..."

[ 22-07-2001: Message edited by: The Flyboy ]
 
 
Spatula Clarke
16:24 / 22.07.01
Channel 4 news just carried a piece on the GSF raid, including eye-witness reports - police basically beat the living shit out of a huge number of people. Camera footage included floors and walls literally covered in blood (a scribbled sign, stuck up on one pillar, read "Don't clean up the blood." At least that much has reached and been reported by the mainstream media.)

Tagline at programme's intro;

"Western leaders complain that this weekend's G8 summit has been overshadowed by violence, but what did they do that was actually worth reporting?"

Later on;

"So, what did this meeting of the G8 achieve?

"Nothing."

[ 22-07-2001: Message edited by: E Randy Donttouchthatdial ]
 
 
ynh
18:14 / 22.07.01
Even so, it's better than what we get over here. CNN at one point yesterday reported that "the peaceful protestors had fled in disgust," leaving 100,000 violent anarchists. Later of course, when they had footage of the march, they conveniently ignored that. The most blood we've seen? The sheet covering Giuliani, who was "shot in self defense." Bush listening to the translation of Chirac's statement, then stepping up and rejecting protests outright for "not representing the poor."

I felt like Jack: needing to watch Zena for a little reality.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
19:27 / 22.07.01
23rd G8: Demo at London's Italian Embassy Italian Embassy - Three
King'sYard W1 London (Nearest Tube Bond Street). 10am and larger one
planned for 6pm Monday. Events also planned for London, Dublin,
Manchester, Sheffield and Bristol

nullhttp://www.urban75.com/Action/events.html
 
 
GRIM
09:20 / 23.07.01
Assasination seems to be more and more of a viable democratic option.

Excuse me, I have to go and train with Shaolin monks for 10 years and hone my gunnery and demolitions skills...

GRIM
 
 
Cherry Bomb
09:20 / 23.07.01
Read what had to be one of the most slanted pieces of journalism I'd encountered in the Chicago Tribune's coverage of the Giulani's death on Saturday morning. It basically said that the "peaceful" (and yes the word was in quotes) took the opportunity to be violent as soon as they had the chance. They didn't even BOTHER to go with the "it's a just a handful of radical ANARCHISTS" excuse I've seen used at every protest since the battle in Seattle.

W's quotes were inane (there's a surprise!)and naturally amounted to "You naughty protestors, sure there's over 20,000 of you present but you're not speaking for anyone!" As an aside, it really is an embarrassment to have that man as representing my views. Chirac's comments weren't even mentioned - oh no wait, that's not true, they did print his saying "We're all terribly saddned by this tragedy" comment. Not once did they mention him saying the protestors should be heard.
 
 
grant
11:50 / 23.07.01
Cherry: write a letter to the editor.
They publish them. People read them.
Keep it short, "reasonable" and make sure your grammar is flawless.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
17:58 / 23.07.01
Rather Discordianally I counted 23 poilce vans in the streets surrounding the demo, which was being contained a couple of streets away from the embassy.At a rough estimate i would guess every protester had his or her own policeman. However the police weren't particularly concerned, I saw them eating McDonalds, which i think qualifies as a noble act of self-sacrifice by the officers concerned.

Unfortunately I turned up late, by which point the police weren't doing much but making sure nobody joined the protesters. There wasn't much support by the common man however, they were just sidestepping the disturbance and looking at the weirdos. Most of the main TV channels had cameras there and I think I saw a writer for The Independent scribbling away furiously. It seemed rather self-conscious though, all the protests were led in Italian, which probably startled people further back in the melee.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
18:00 / 23.07.01
But it seems violence broke out about 10 minutes after I left. look for it on your news-spouts people.
 
 
Cherry Bomb
19:48 / 23.07.01
Grant - I followed your advice. Probably wouldn't have because I was editorialized out (just wrote one to another paper about gay bashing) but the Trib had an even more slanted article today. Here's my letter:

quote:

Dear Editor:

I have some questions regarding your coverage of the recent G-8 Summit protests in Genoa. What are Tom Hundley’s requirements for a momentum and credibility gaining movement? I would think that a movement that had its largest turnout ever, and was finally acknowledged, both with chastisements and weak promises to address the protestors’ issues was gaining both credibility and momentum. However your writer states the opposite, with nothing to back up his statements besides some very well-chosen quotes.

Why, in spite of both BBC and Deutsch-Presse Agentur coverage of it, did the Tribune neglect to include French president Jacques Chirac quote that the protestors “must be heard?” Was this Hundley’s crafty way of building his “the anti-globalization movement’s losing steam” argument?

Why does the Tribune ignore the fact that approximately 98,900 - 198,000 of the activists who were in Genoa were nonviolent, peaceful protestors and choose instead to focus on a few hundred “violent anarchists” who account for approximately less than 1% of those who attended the protests?

Why did you choose not to run the Reuters photos showing protestor Carlo Giulani being shot at close range and his dead body being run over by a Land Rover? Would that have conflicted with Hundley’s description of the police officer who killed Giulani as a “very frightened...20-year old?”

Why, instead of investigating claims that police were attempting to provoke protestors, as first-hand accounts in Prague, Seattle, Quebec City and Goethenburg have all claimed, did you choose to immediately discredit that possibility by calling it a “conspiracy theory...quickly accepted among the movement’s rank and file?”

I understand that the Tribune may be opposed to the anti-globalization movement. I do wish your paper would practice fair and unbiased reporting when covering it.

-Melanie A.Johnson





[ 23-07-2001: Message edited by: Cherry Bomb ]
 
 
Frances Farmer
19:48 / 23.07.01
Apparently Saddam Hussien issued a statement in support of the anti-globlisation movement.
 
 
Frances Farmer
00:55 / 24.07.01
And while Saddam's support had an entire article devoted to it on CNN, it was rather difficult (though not impossible) to find a mention of Jacques Chirac's statements in favor of the demonstrators.

The Guardian's bit on the raid against the GSF seemed impressively sympathetic to the demonstrators.

Meanwhile, an 'Analysis' produced by The Guardian refers to the demonstrators as a disorganized group of 'Fascists and Anarchists' - what a combination.

It occurs to me that while this movement does not need or want a leader, it might be well-advised to find a spokesperson. Perhaps if there was a representative, there would be more than splinter of hope on getting media attention.

Also curious, The Guardian talks a bit about the Black Block - a group I admittedly know little about. They indicate that the Black Block seem to have ties to the police, and even mention seeing Black Block members, decked out and armed with poles and the like, hanging out in a precinct with police officers - clearly not under arrest. Is the media defaming the Black Block to break up what solidarity exists there, or is the Black Block in fact a tool for defaming the movement? Somebody tell me - what's their schtick? I'll check out the website.
 
 
Jackie Susann
06:19 / 24.07.01
All sorts of rumours have been circulating about relations between black blocs, anarchists, ya basta and the cops. I think it's best to reserve judgement until there's some critical distance. (But to clarify, in general the black bloc is a group of anarchists and anarchist-sympathisers who dress in black, including black masks, so as to avoid legal repercussions from militant protest, esp. including corporate property damage and fights with the police.)
 
 
Disco is My Class War
06:31 / 24.07.01
Ya Basta NYC has issued a statement about Genoa which clears up a lot of the confusion over ties between the Black Blocs and the poice. It seems likely that groups of 'anarchists' were paid by the police to start up violent episodes so that the police would have an excuse to come in and 'quell' them. Ya Basta also imply that the shooting was deliberate, to provoke more confrontation.

Here's the link, anyhow.

It's worth reading, especially at the end... some pretty spot-on commentary about where the summit-protest movement is going, at least.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
07:22 / 24.07.01
I think this bit in particular is really important re: the shooting, especially since so much has been made in the mainstream media of the fact that the guy who pulled the trigger was a "terrified" 20 year-old conscript, in a situation where the vehicle he was in was surrounded by protestors, etc etc.-

quote:Whatever the circumstances of the
actual shooting (and it was not the only occasion in which police used live ammunition, others were, apparently, wounded by live bullets), the decision to incite violence and then arm police with live ammunition was made beforehand with full knowledge of the likely results, and in open defiance of desperate pleas from the protestors not to take that course. It is the Berlusconi regime and the international police networks who have been coordinating the repression of the movement who are responsible for the violence and death in Genoa, not any particular policeman, carabinieri, or even fascist. These men knew exactly what they were doing.


And yes, the end of the piece is really important as well. It's very easy to throw up our hands and say "isn't it terrible, gosh the police are bad, shame there's nothing I can do" - everyone feels like that at some point and most of us feel like that all the bloody time, so this bit is probably worth memorizing:

quote:At this point it appears we have
no choice: we must appeal, in every way
possible, to civil society; to spread the word about what is happening and to hold those responsible to account. It is already starting to happen in Europe and it is much harder in the United States where the press is so much more systematically biased against us, but this is a time to start playing every card we have - every connection or access to the power structure, time to start making phone calls, to start daily protests and even, if necessary, scrupulously non-violent direct actions against the media itself if it refuses to reveal what is actually happening here. We have to jam their email and phone banks, not to let them get away with lying about us any more. These things can be done. We can turn it around. We can stop the engine of repression in its tracks if our pressure is massive and overwhelming. Every time we read a story saying "police raid headquarters of violent protestors" we need to have a hundred letters sent demanding that they print the truth. We need to start calling the journalists responsible and demanding to know why they use the language they did and will not publish key information. To ask them: if you admit (as they often do in private) that police attacked overwhelmingly peaceful protestors, why is it they never say so? Be creative. Be disruptive. Absolutely refuse to go away.
 
 
The Mr E suprise
07:22 / 24.07.01
quote:Originally posted by Jackie Nothing Special:
All sorts of rumours have been circulating about relations between black blocs, anarchists, ya basta and the cops

I was wondering how long it would take before someone screamed "agents provacateur". I think it's an acknowledged hazard these days.

quote:Originally posted by E Randy Donttouchthatdial:
or there's been a communications fuck-up between their TV and Internet news services.


Easily done. Web news divisions still get stick/lack of help from the other, more established news service across most organsiations (including the beeb) which is frankly a pain in the hole.

Don't forget, breaking news is a chaotic thing (IE: during the hatfield crash, reports of the number of dead varied wildly from 3 to 8).

quote:'To criticise the Italian police and the Italian authorities for working to make sure the security of the summit is right is, to me, to turn the world upside down,' Blair said yesterday.

Right, I know the italian police have been criticised for heavy handed action before. Anyone know more about this?

The "man who did the shooting was only 20" is an interesting angle, many police services would just maintain a grim silence over the identity of the boy.

quote:Originally posted by Mordant Carnival:

If protesting was a waste of time, they wouldn't try to stop it.


Bollocks.

At the end of the day, any potential mass protest would be seen as a civil disorder thing by the police.

Apathy and whitenoise are the best weapons against protest, not sending in the police.

Violence makes martyrs, unfortunatetly for Carlo Giuliani.

[ 24-07-2001: Message edited by: The Mr E suprise ]
 
 
grant
13:29 / 24.07.01
quote:Originally posted by Cherry Bomb:
Grant - I followed your advice. Probably wouldn't have because I was editorialized out (just wrote one to another paper about gay bashing) but the Trib had an even more slanted article today.


If you don't think it'll get printed, it might be worth sending it as an "open letter" -- to the Sun-Times, whatever your local "alternative newsweekly" is (New Times or Free Press or whatever), and hit the papers' internet message boards.

Y'know, I have no idea what the Palm Beach or Miami papers have written. Maybe I should check it out.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
14:09 / 25.07.01
One more shedload of links etc...

full Indymedia account of Genoa:
http://italy.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=7517

www.indymedia.org has updates on the GSF/Indymedia raid if you scroll down
http://uk.indymedia.org/ has updates on the injured and arrested Brits

Milano declaration: http://uk.indymedia.org/display.php3?article_id=7832

New Zealand journalist faces death charge??? - http://uk.indymedia.org/display.php3?article_id=7811

International Federation of Journalists condemn Italian police: http://uk.indymedia.org/display.php3?article_id=7779

Account of the London solidarity protest on Sunday night: http://www.urban75.org/genoa/011.html

Audio report on Carlo Giuliani's funeral, subsequent peaceful protests, and the general atmosphere in Italy: http://stream.guardian.co.uk:7080/ramgen/news/audio2001/0725carroll.ra

British diplomats to be allowed to visit injured/arrested Brits: http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_359614.html?menu=news.latestheadlines
 
 
Baz Auckland
21:55 / 31.07.02
This Just In: Italian Police Admit to Planting Evidence.

"Italian police planted two Molotov cocktails in a school where anti-globalisation pro-testers were sleeping to justify a brutal crackdown during last year's G8 summit in Genoa.

A policeman has confessed that he planted the explosives following a year of acrimony over the handling of security at the summit where a protester was shot dead by the police.

"I brought the Molotov cocktail to the Diaz school. I obeyed the order of one of my superiors," the 25-year-old unnamed officer told prosecutors investigating the summit. The Molotov cocktails were planted in the school to justify the police raids on the school, he said."
 
 
Not Here Still
18:59 / 28.01.05
Three years on, but justice seems closer:

The spectre of the violence surrounding the G8 meeting in Genoa four years ago will return to haunt Italy today when 47 people, including senior police officers, doctors, nurses and prison guards, go before a judge, accused of violently mistreating arrested demonstrators.
Tensions were heightened yesterday when a bomb went off in Sardinia outside the home of one of the defendants, a member of the paramilitary Carabinieri. No one was injured.

The device was similar to one set off when Tony Blair visited the island last summer as guest of Italy's prime minister, Silvio Berlusconi.

In clashes during the 2001 G8 summit, a demonstrator was killed and hundreds of police and protesters were injured. Anti-globalisation demonstrators accused Italian police of overreacting, while the Italian authorities claimed a minority of protesters had set out to provoke violence.

The preliminary hearing, which is expected to continue until at least late March, will consider events after the street clashes at a detention camp at Bolzaneto near Genoa.

Arrested demonstrators claimed they were repeatedly insulted, kicked, beaten, sprayed with asphyxiating gas, and made to stand for long periods spread-eagled against a wall.

The prosecution claims detainees were forced to shout out chants in praise of Italy's late fascist dictator, Benito Mussolini, and Chile's notorious former president, Augusto Pinochet. The Genoa-based prosecutors bringing the case say at least one of the songs was anti-semitic.


There was a longer piece in the Guardian too, but it doesn't appear to be online.
 
 
Not Here Still
19:03 / 28.01.05
Sorry, four years on.... World's changed a lot since I last read this thread.
 
 
Cherielabombe
12:06 / 29.01.05
World's changed a lot since I read this thread.

Sure has. Anyway, I found that Guardian article. At the very least it's good to know that there may be some come-uppance for the brutal tactics of Italian police used at the time.
 
  

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