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Help! I'm suddenly addicted to black/death metal!

 
  

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klint
17:38 / 06.05.03
Check out Botch's version of "O Fortuna."
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
21:10 / 01.06.03
And not so much with a *bump* as with a *cacophonous racket spawned as if by Satan himself*... I just bought Nile's "In Their Darkened Shrines". And it's fucking wicked. Even the (overly extensive to the point of geekiness) sleeve notes use the phrase "borrows quite liberally from... HP Lovecraft". And there's an entire mini-black metal rock opera about a serpent cult plotting to overthrow Pharonic rule. Sphinxal Tap, anyone?
 
 
Danzig: He Pitys the Fool!
09:44 / 06.06.03
'In there Darkened Shrines' is indeed a fine album, however for the death metal purist 'Amongst the Catacombs of Nephren-Ka' is a better album. Thats just an opinion though. Personally i prefer 'Black Seeds of Vengeance'
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
10:00 / 06.06.03
Something tells me I'm gonna be buying both of those next time I get paid...
 
 
rizla mission
13:43 / 06.06.03
Nephren-Ka?

Isn't that an fairly obscure cthulhu mythos reference?

The Egyptian Pharoah who was an avatar of Nyarlatheotep in some stories by.. Lin Carter I believe?

ho-yah!

Anyway, yeah, Nile rule. Mixing absolutely storming metal with scary atmospheric occult ritual bits surely adds up to the best of both worlds.. and I love the singing (or rather, I dunno, the 'blasphemic puking of vocal armageddon').. and the way the guitarist plays those little classically 'egyptian' sounding melodies in a thrash metal manner.. cool!

I remember being really disappointed a while ago when I found a picture of Nile online, and instead of being evil Rasputin-esque, staring eyes, bearded magi*, they just looked like slightly chubby, peroxide permed, distinctly '80s metal dudes.. but oh well, who cares..


*yes folks, that's 'magi', as in the plural of 'magus'. I think.
 
 
Star Of The Sea
01:06 / 14.06.03
This is the best thread on Barbelith ever! Great to see so many people dropping some serious underground knowledge, great stuff. Great to screamo pioneers (and fellow Scots) Kaddish get a well-deserved mention.

If anyone is into downtuned Neurosis/Isis stuff mixed with Slint/Low style harmonic clean parts and dark ambient electronica then you might be into my own band Snowblood. Our album Terrestrial Variations is coming out next month and you can download an mp3 from

snowblood.iuma.com

[/] plug over [/]

regards,

Luke
snowblood.com
 
 
01
17:35 / 14.06.03
Yes. Neurosis. "Enemy of the Sun" destroys. Shai Hulud and Will Haven are damn good bands as well.

Ok, but we're talking grindcore and ridiculous euro black metal here with chamber music and prosthetic noses. If you dig it, do not be shy. Embrace it in its entirety. Case in point:

Last winter my buddies and I traveled out to some cheesy rock club out in the suburbs to go see Cannibal fucking Corpse. Leaving any hope of taking ourselves seriously at the door we entered the den of destruction. Now, you know when you go to a show, be it bar or stadium, there is always some loud drunk idiot with no shirt walking around the mosh pit screaming out random snippets of nonsense in full death metal growl even if a song is playing or not, and people are looking at him like he's having some shitty flashback? I was that guy and goddmamit it sure was fun.
 
 
telyn
23:54 / 14.06.03
Generally I prefer less abrasive walls of sound than guitar distortion, but it sounds interesting enough to investigate anyway. However, I know I like music which almost has a physical presence, so loud and with such a texture it feels like it's pressing round you.

Query: does anyone who really likes metal also like Wagner? This is just some silly anecdote that I heard and was curious about. I can kind of see how liking of large scale operatic works and liking black/death metal go together, since both of them have pretty extreme sound-worlds and larger-than-life drama.
 
 
iconoplast
01:34 / 15.06.03
Luke/Star of the Sea: This is evil. I really like this.

Reminds me of a couple bands I saw together in high school who had a split EP: Ice Burn and Engine Kid. Ice Burn did this seething 'variations on the rites of spring' thing, and Engine kid were so loud we all listened to them from the parking lot. I kid you not.

Bad ass track. Come to New York and destroy something, I want to see this done live.
 
 
Danzig: He Pitys the Fool!
11:01 / 15.06.03
Yes indeed, there are some people into metal that listen to classical too. They just wont admit it. Your stereotypical Death/Black Metaller for example, we are talking massive beards, hair down to their arse(Black for black metal of Course), stomping round like a loon, will not under any circumstances listen to 'fat, poofy, warbling italians'. However, if you see some really skinny guys at the back who look like deep thinkers, and dont growl at all,and may well have a goth girlfriend on one arm, then the chances are that they do listen to some operatic music because its 'all about the ambience' & 'you dont need to understand the lyrics, the music just speaks to you, man'.
 
 
rizla mission
10:34 / 16.06.03
Query: does anyone who really likes metal also like Wagner? This is just some silly anecdote that I heard and was curious about. I can kind of see how liking of large scale operatic works and liking black/death metal go together, since both of them have pretty extreme sound-worlds and larger-than-life drama.

It seems to be almost a cliche for Germanic power-metal bands to say "of course, Wagner is really the godfather of heavy metal - we listen to him all the time, don't you know.."

I'm sure there are many laughably bad metal concept albums based on Wagner's operas.. there's a definite crossover in their general aesthetic..
 
 
FlamingTranquility
18:06 / 16.06.03
Wow. being a new member to the board I never tought the metal scene here will be so..well big
Susperia, Dimmu Borgir, Opeth, Impaled Nazarene, Virgin Black those will be my choices asides from The Dillinger Escape Plan which has allready been mentioned.
also the best metal website is www.digitalmetal.com

that´s all I can do
 
 
Locust No longer
20:16 / 22.08.03
I had to get a word in again now that I'm also finding myself plunged into the unholy depths of black metal. I just bought the Weakling double lp "Dead As Dreams" from Tumult records and I'm blown the fuck away by it's beautiful ferocity. It's got the drummer from the Fucking Champs and a couple of other people from bigger bands but it kills all of their other projects. It's total black metal but with a very strange and beautiful sense of the avant garde, mixing drone and long progressive rock passages into the mix. Get this album if you like black metal at all. It reminds me what Godspeed would be if they were black metal, but so insanely better. Epic and fist pumping.

Oh yeah, Enslaved and Abigor are also rocking my world right now. Really cool epic black metal. And this may be of the subject but I downloaded some Hawkwind for a laugh, but was surprised by how awesome some of it is. Not black metal, but really good sci fi metal.
 
 
Locust No longer
18:22 / 31.01.04
Rizla-
I'm bringing this to the metal thread to ask you about how you liked Converge live. Were they any good? A friend of mine lent me the "Jane Doe" Lp and I liked it well enough, simply for it's technical ferocity. I wonder if that's able to be pulled off live.

Oh, and does anyone like At The Gates here? Swedish melodic deathmetal rules.
 
 
+#'s, - names
19:41 / 31.01.04
Oh, and does anyone like At The Gates here? Swedish melodic deathmetal rules.
I dont remember at the gates, but about ten years ago I was into this band, Edge of Sanity, from what I recall they had an ensamble cast of singers, from a witch to a warlock and a priest and something else.

Everyone here should check out the
teeth of the hydra
, great metal band from columbus. They have some mp3's available. You can check out a flyer I did for them here.
Very shameless plug.
 
 
rizla mission
22:45 / 31.01.04
I'm bringing this to the metal thread to ask you about how you liked Converge live. Were they any good? A friend of mine lent me the "Jane Doe" Lp and I liked it well enough, simply for it's technical ferocity. I wonder if that's able to be pulled off live.

Well the sad truth is, I didn't actually get to see them..

The show ran really, really late (it was in a warehouse type venue outside the town centre, so I guess the licensing was less strict or something) and I had to leave in order to get the last train home..

Fucking irritating.. Of three people I know who have attempted to see Converge on three seperate occasions, all have failed for one reason or another. Which makes me suspect some kind of conspiracy.

And, yeah, 'Jane Doe' is a fantastic record. I borrowed a former housemate of mine's copy, just to see what all the fuss was about.. was impressed. I expected them to be some kind of pointless ear-bleeding furrowed brow slow hardcore, but the album is really, um, energetic and dynamic to use two stupidly cliched words.. the metal influences really give it a kick that I find a lot of hardcore stuff lacks, which combined with a real musical imagination and the requisite level of heaviosity.. it's a blast.
 
 
eddie thirteen
14:04 / 01.02.04
At last! Perhaps now, after years of fruitless searching, someone can help me to locate the greatest death metal recording of all time. I know neither the title nor the artist, but the lyrics are as follows:

BLEH BLEH BLEH BLEH BLEH! BLEH BLEH BLEH BLEH BLEH! ARGH BLUG ERG ERG ERG ERG BLEH! DAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH-MERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!

(guitar solo)

Truly awesome. Ring any bells for anyone?
 
 
pfhlick
12:35 / 25.09.07
Converge circa Jane Doe were great live, but sometimes their audience (at least in Boston) can be difficult. I have never had more 250 lb men jump on me or been punched in the neck and shoulders so many times as when I saw Converge play a middle school near where I live. Although, the one at the church came close. Yeah, anyway, they're unbelievable musicians all, but their drummer in particular is fucking maniacal. He gets nothing wrong, every merciless stroke calculated to send you spiraling further into frenzy.

Can you tell this band turned my brain inside out when I was little?
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
15:54 / 25.09.07
Query: does anyone who really likes metal also like Wagner? This is just some silly anecdote that I heard and was curious about.

Seeing as how this has been bumped, can I just say that I'm going to see the Ring cycle (the whole fucking thing) at the Royal Opera House next week? \m/ (I also spent two hundred quid on a ticket for Parsifal in December. I loves me some Wagner).
 
 
Locust No longer
17:00 / 25.09.07
Seeing this thread, I thought i would drop a recommendation for the band Baroness. I saw them last night at the Empty Bottle in Chicago and it was jaw dropping. Seriously, it was like seeing Mastodon when they were opening for High On Fire years ago and just knowing you you were seeing something tremendous and just possibly (sorry) the next big thing. The new album is just stupendous, mixing classic metal with crust and anthemic Fugazi like choruses. Yeah, I don't understand how that would work either, but it does-- killer.
 
 
Locust No longer
17:52 / 25.09.07
Oh, and I also have to give props to Deathspell Omega's new album called, "Fas - Ite, Maledicti, in Ignem Aeternum," which was released in N. America by Anja Offensive, and everywhere else by Norma Evangelium Diaboli.

I really can't put into words how overwhelming this album is. I liked their previous EP, "Kenose", a lot, but this album is even more intense and chaotic. For black metal, it's far tighter and more complex than usual, incorporating elements of post-rock, avant-garde sound-scapes, and twisted Monteverdi like chants into charred, grim blocks of sound. I've heard some even go as far as to call them "post-black metal," which I don't want to get into... But the compositions are incredibly complex with what seems to be a hundred different parts in each song, and thousands of elements vying for supremacy at any moment; certainly nothing is ever a simple verse chorus verse in this album, nor is it a boring exercise in musical masturbation that some bands fall prey to. It's the devil in the details -- squiggles of high pitched guitar running through out every song, cascading over dense atonal chords; idiot-savant drumming, filling every little gap with a drum roll or manic off time fill; and a vocalist that has almost a speaking quality, albeit a crusty, grim black metal speaking quality. These elements can take on an almost drone-like quality of information overload, which is thankfully punctuated by catch your breath moments of dark clarity. It's definitely unlike any other black metal band I can think of -- simply everything is just one or two notches above anything else that has come from this often moribund genre, musically, aesthetically and lyrically, which are a lot like the music -- dense, heady explorations; it actually approaches more philosophy than the hum drum, "satan's gonna gitcha in the frosty Northern mountains," lyrics you find in most black metal. However, it's still grim and totally black metal, just more intellectually stimulating and, yes, meaningful. Apparently this album is the third in a metaphysical trilogy concerning the role of mankind, Satan and God. They've obviously put a lot more time into their ethos than most, as can be seen in only interview I have found with them: interview I have found with them. Actually, a part of what makes Deathspell Omega so fascinating is their arcane, highly detailed philosophy, and lack of interest in press. No one really knows who is in the band, and as far as I know, they don't play live. While I hesitate to use such superlatives-- this probably is the best black metal band around right now, and quite possibly the best metal band around right now in general. But really, that shit isn't very important. This is just a truly great album...
 
 
zedoktar
21:10 / 26.09.07
Hi, my name is ZeDoktar and I'm a metal addict...lol.
I love the brutal death metal sound myself. Black Metal tends to sound like a chainsmoking old woman screaming at a jet engine, IMHO. When its good its *fucking* excellent though.

Akercocke. Your ears will thank me. Their "blackened" death metal, which basically sounds like pure awsome. Like Black Metal but with less murder and no dork (I mean corpse) paint.

Carnivore is awsome too. Old school death metal made of whiskey and dope and punk attitude. But more brutal then an orgy of hungry t-rexes.

Also, Grave, Death, Pungent Stench, Immolation, Vintersorg.


And Venom. Can't forget Venom. They top my list of metal gods.
I used to like Six Feet Under but now I just wanna kick them in their collective nuts. Or maybe just Chris Barnes several times.
I got into it mostly through Brave Words & Bloody Knuckles magazine and their stellar sampler discs.

Look for a band called Sugarcoma. Chick Metal. I heard a cover of "You Drive Me Crazy" by a Britney Spears they did on a BW&BN disc and loved it. And had no idea it was a Spears song until my teenage sister asked why in hell I was listening to a metal version of said song. Beats Kitty any day.
 
 
johnny enigma
13:54 / 27.09.07
I have an odd relationship with extreme metal. Alot of the people I hang out with absolutely adore the stuff, and over the last few years I have really started to dig some of it. Some of my friends used to have a band called Rotting Tramp that I was absoutely obssessed with for a while. So I suppose what I'm trying to say is that it's perfectly acceptable to go down that route if you feel called to it, but you must try hard not to turn into one of those hideous fools who sneers at anything that's not completely as metal as can be, whilst showing loads of support for bands that really aren't that special but happen to fit the brief. My friend put on an extreme metal night recently that was truly horrible (and not in the good, Pig Destroyer horrible kind of way) because it was full of twats intimidating people who thought they were better than everyone else because they were so, so "metal" - a totally last century way of thinking and behaving, me thinks.The worst part about it was that most of the bands really weren't that interesting.
*rant over*

Oh and Punji Steak - you're damn right that Inner Terrestrials are a very very good band. They are one of my favourite bands in the world, and I was very pleased to see them mentioned on this board. Respect.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
19:30 / 27.09.07
So I suppose what I'm trying to say is that it's perfectly acceptable to go down that route if you feel called to it, but you must try hard not to turn into one of those hideous fools who sneers at anything that's not completely as metal as can be, whilst showing loads of support for bands that really aren't that special but happen to fit the brief.

Are many people in this thread doing that, d'you think?

On a far less "metal" but related tip, has anyone heard Ihsahn's "Hardingrock" project? The folk music thing? I'm intrigued.
 
 
Locust No longer
14:50 / 01.10.07
Hmm... I picked up the new Wolves in the Thrown Room disc, "Two Hunters," on Southern Lord. I think people here would like it quite a bit. It has some really typical but good grim black metal to it but they add some great post-rock instrumental parts and soaring female vocals on parts that add a lot t the over all mood. They're not satanic as far as I know, which is a nice change as well. They are, in fact, heavily indebted towards deep ecology and living sustainably and are more about the despair of living in an industrial world, hoping for a return to nature and earth based spirituality. Eh. I don' t know. I dig it. Not mind blowing, but better than most black metal. Great looking album as well.
 
 
pfhlick
17:18 / 01.10.07
Woof, Baroness are really fucking good. Coalesce meets Iron Maiden. They remind me of Kylesa, also from Georgia, who have a more doomy sound but have been exploring more progressive tendencies of late.
I saw Baroness with Doomriders in a hall holding some 200 kids just this past spring. Their drummer is an animal!


... I picked up the new Wolves in the Thrown Room disc, "Two Hunters," on Southern Lord.... They're not satanic as far as I know, which is a nice change as well. They are, in fact, heavily indebted towards deep ecology and living sustainably and are more about the despair of living in an industrial world, hoping for a return to nature and earth based spirituality.

That sounds great! I play a bit of heavy music and have been trying to write lyrically on those subjects with some difficulty. The music seems to lend itself to themes of despair and resignation or apocalyptic prognostication.

A lot of metal comes across as misanthropic and apolitical, which puts me off (not to say I don't find myself in the mood occasionally). I do, however, listen to a fair amount of hardcore punk, which overlaps with quite a bit of metal, and there are a few blistering bands that stand up to a deeper reading.

For more "despair of living in an industrial world", see His Hero is Gone's third full length, The Plot Sickens (apologies if you own the first press or something).
 
 
Closed for Business Time
18:08 / 01.10.07
A lot of metal comes across as misanthropic and apolitical

Misanthropy yes, but... Apolitical?
The chunk that isn't deep brown or at least deeply blue you mean? As you say, the various core genres; hardcore, metalcore, grindcore, and later of course emo, rapmetal and the various avowedly political/activist metal genres have traditionally retained ties to the DIY, leftfield politics of the post-punk landscape, both in Europe and the Americas. But there's a definite trend that started in Europe AFAIK with bands from Northern and Eastern Europe using Nazi, fascist and far right discourse and symbolism mixed up with the trad horror show antics and faux occultizm.

Of course in these latter days you'll find examples of both styles on all continents.

My point with all this being, metal is a lot of things, but it's definitely not a-political.
 
 
Mmothra
18:12 / 01.10.07
County Medical Examiners are a must listen...they are Carcass worshippers and do a beautiful job PLUS they are supposedly all actual medical examiners!
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
19:19 / 01.10.07
County Medical Examiners are a must listen...they are Carcass worshippers and do a beautiful job PLUS they are supposedly all actual medical examiners!

That sounds awesome... and a neat logical progression given that Carcass were mostly medical STUDENTS...

...I'll definitely check them out!
 
 
Locust No longer
19:28 / 01.10.07
Yeah, His Hero Is Gone is stupendous. One of my favorite punk bands from that time period. I always thought their anti technology rants, especially in "The Plot Sickens" as deleriously wrong headed and hypocritical, but I've been reading anarcho primitivist stuff by John Zerzan lately so who knows. I think it's an interesting strain to come out of crusty/anarcho stuff and is now beginning to find a home in black metal like Wolves in the Thrown Room.
 
 
pfhlick
15:45 / 02.10.07
...But there's a definite trend that started in Europe AFAIK with bands from Northern and Eastern Europe using Nazi, fascist and far right discourse and symbolism mixed up with the trad horror show antics and faux occultizm.

Of course in these latter days you'll find examples of both styles on all continents.

My point with all this being, metal is a lot of things, but it's definitely not a-political.


Point taken. Perhaps this is more an impression that I've formed from some of the metalheads I've known - rather than apolitical, they are politcally unscrupulous. They pay lipservice to leftist causes or DIY or whathaveyou, but will support bands who espouse ideas they would find repugnant in their own social circles. Of course, you can find this stupidity anywhere - see the common bullshit nazi sympathy, "Skrewdriver's first album ripped".

On the other hand, quite a lot of "political" punk AND metal (right AND left wing) is so inarticulate as to be meaningless, reducing all political messages to feelings of rage and frustration. Metal vocals being what they are, it can take quite a lot of work to extract any message at all from the songs themselves. The songs are more about a sort of thrashing, raw physicallity than a story or a message.
 
 
Locust No longer
17:22 / 04.10.07
Oh yeah, just realized that should be Wolves in the Throne room on that last recommendation. Although, Wolves in the Thrown Room sounds oddly Lovecraftian which is cool.
 
 
Closed for Business Time
18:01 / 04.10.07
Point taken. Perhaps this is more an impression that I've formed from some of the metalheads I've known - rather than apolitical, they are politcally unscrupulous. They pay lipservice to leftist causes or DIY or whathaveyou, but will support bands who espouse ideas they would find repugnant in their own social circles.

Yes, I have seen that in friends and I have done it myself - closing my eyes to the anti-Semitic BS spouted by Darkthrone, Burzum and many other Norwegian bands. I usually manage to reduce the dissonace enough that I can still listen to Darkthrone (never liked Burzum) and a few others like Cadaver. But the fact remains that they (Darkthrone) seem to hold some entirely repulsing opinions. It's just that the "raw physicality" is too too good.

Also agree that most political punk/metal bands are terrible policy-wise. Terrible lyrics full stop.
 
 
Locust No longer
18:04 / 04.10.07
Eh, as for the political content of metal/punk or lack there of-- I don't think it's particularly important really to most people. As far as I'm concerned most music fans don't really look for nuanced political dialogue within much of the music they listen to. Sure, there are exceptions to that rule, but I'd say the vast majority of popular music is almost fiercely apolitical anyway. The right wing/fascistic element of some metal, particularly black metal and sophomoric gore-grind, is far more about reflecting the unspoken, dark elements of society than an actual political ethos. Sure you have bands like Graveland or Burzum that do hold aryan/white power view points but bands like those are fewer than one would think. If anything, I find the misanthropy and bleak elements of metal as profoundly politically motivated -- mirroring all the terrifying and violent aspects of modern living and regurgitating it back out on us.

Now as for punk and metal's politics being rendered incoherent by their aesthetics -- I would agree that for some that it is true. But anger and misanthropy is part and parcel with what punk and metal stands for. It's not usually about coherent political treatises. Try to fit a diatribe of the police state in a thirty second song and see how meaningful it is. But that isn't to say there aren't bands that succeed in doing just that... actually, many of my political views when I was younger were informed (mainly for the better) by punk rock, particularly bands like Crass, Conflict, Aus Rotten and other anarchist bands that do render, if not always aurally distinguishable, coherent, relevant political view points. In general, I find punk and metal to be far more politically minded and inspired than most other genres.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
00:22 / 07.10.07
With the anarcho-punk bands like Crass and Conflict, I think a lot of it's to do with the fact that they give you A LOT of information- not necessarily in the music itself, but if the music's got you so fired-up that you want to DO something (which is arguably the point), anarcho-punk is generally pretty good for providing you with information. Look at those old Crass sleeves, for example- there's enough on one of those for an angry teen to pore over for weeks; and Conflict keep up the tradition. If the music's done its job and made you want to learn more, then they give you useful information to carry on yourself.
 
  

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