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The Cutting Edge

 
 
Cygnum
10:20 / 10.04.03
Just what is the cutting edge of mag(j)ic(k) these days?

I guess it depends on where you are right now as far as your studies go, for example; I have become aware that a lot of pagan/wiccans etc. are starting to get into Chaos as they become more eclectic and their views on chaos magick, is that it is to them, the cutting edge whereas most exponants of chaos esp. the 'founders' did it all in the early 80's.

So, to reiterate.

What is the Cutting edge?
 
 
Quantum
11:11 / 10.04.03
Shared workings using the internet between mages from a variety of backgrounds, fusing disparate magical traditions together to form a brand new path. Postmodern Magick.
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
13:36 / 10.04.03
Not doing it.
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
14:00 / 10.04.03
Postmodern Magick

All sounds very late 90’s to me. For my money, the ‘cutting edge’ may be the emergence of international web communities such as barbelith which have their own subsection (or ghetto ) of working magicians providing occult and divinatory services to the wider community. Like a 21st Century global permutation of the local shaman providing magick for his village. A move towards a more ‘pastoral’ concept of magick (to vaguely paraphrase from Grant Morrison’s cultural predictions) but losing none of the modernity and innovation of chaos magick and its various contemporaries. You could possibly see the Wiccan acceptance of chaos magick tenets, outlined above, as a symptom of this potential trend.

I think we may see an increased emphasis on working magicians doing stuff for other people and fulfilling this shamanic role that’s been absent from western culture for centuries in any overt form. The massive re-surgence of interest in ‘alternative therapy’ over the last 10 years could be interpreted as something vaguely magick-shaped rising up to fill the gap left by community sorcery. There was an article in one of the tabloids recently on the popularity of dubious sorcerors and Doc’s providing spells and divination to career women in the City – which is yet another example that people seem to have this suppressed ancestral memory of visiting the local shaman when in need.

It sort of ties with one of the common criticisms that you often see raised against chaos magick – that it can appear too individualistic and self serving, “lets do another sigil for that payrise or new lover, or maybe a servitor for finding a parking space”. When you think about it, it’s fairly obvious how these criticisms can be turned around into something positive. If you’re doing stuff for other people on a regular basis, the hours spent on self-development and workings on your own behalf cease to be ‘selfish’ or ‘inward looking’ – you’re fulfilling a function, and these practices will help you to do so more effectively.

In ‘neo-pagan’ circles you often come across the paradox of big groups of magicians hanging out together all proclaiming themselves as shamen, but with no discernable community to administer to because everyone in their social circle is also a magician. Again, I can see a move away from this phenomena through the emergence of international web communities along the lines of Barbelith, where the active magicians make up a small section of the wider social community. Occasionally members of this community will pay a visit to the ghetto cos they need to see the witchdoctor – which strikes me as a lovely virtual permutation of an old formula.

I also find it very interesting that members of the magick forum have already started to discover inherent flaws and problems in the commonly used methods for providing magick to other people via the internet (see the various arguments and personality clashes in the ‘histories’ thread). I think the next stage of this process may be for us to start to feel our way round these problems and develop new formats and infrastructures for providing magickal services to the barbelith community. Perhaps working on a more individual basis – for instance, magicians who want to take on clients could flag themselves up as being ‘active’ - meaning they’re willing to be contacted discretely by PM by other members of barbelith who need assistance. There are obviously a host of potential problems with this model also, but such things can always be ironed out and experimented with as long as it’s approached in a spirit of discovery and creativity.

I think the last 10 years have been dominated by the development of the internet and its impact on magick. In terms of experimentation with on-line rituals conducted in cyberspace; the vast amount of previously hard to come by information now available instantly at the touch of a button; and the enormous impact of magicians all over the world now being able to openly communicate and compare notes in a text based format. I think the last 10 years have all been about adjusting to that, exploring the edges of it, finding out how it works.

Myself, I’d like to see less cultural emphasis now on who can best exemplify the ideal of thee-cyber-tantrik-post-modern-techno-tekno-majickian, or who can come up with the next big thing in magick, or who can write the next generation of Phil Hine/Pete Carroll style textbooks. And more emphasis on individual magicians practically using their skills and abilities at a grassroots level within the world they inhabit to make peoples lives better.
 
 
Quantum
14:15 / 10.04.03
I'll second that! I was thinking of the Global Working thread specifically, researching the nature of Barbelith-the-entity in order to pass on that knowledge to the community.
I love the 'The Magician is IN' flag idea, the main problem is accountability. I would like to see a bigger profile section on Barbelith to allow posting of personal information (voluntarily) so that clients know who they're dealing with a little more.
More of a return to traditional magical roles is a sign of the growing re-acceptance of magic in society and a reduction of the persecution commonly experienced by mages. A Good Thing.
(BTW ever heard 'Wizard of the Ghetto', top hip hop track setting Wizard of Oz story in a Gangsta environment? Funny as all hell...)
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
14:34 / 10.04.03
I love the 'The Magician is IN' flag idea, the main problem is accountability.

Yeah, accountability is really the issue. But I think the only way your going to get that is to move the workings over to a more personal one-to-one dynamic, where working magicians and clients effectively enter into an informal short term contract. The decision over whether to take a client is up to the person involved, how well you feel you can trust their motives, what your moral and ethical parameters are, etc.. Barbelith is both the community and the medium through which these transactions may take place, but the individual transations themselves don't involve the entire board but remain the personal business of the 2 involved parties. Perosnal information about a situation can be shared by PM as appropriate, and a decision to intervene can be made on that basis. I think the biggest problem might be the need to somehow vet the behaviour and credentials of people flagging themselves up as working magicians looking for clients - there should be some procedure in place for ensuring personal information given in good faith by clients isn't abused by trolls posing as working sorcerors. I don't have a clue how this might work in practice, but it's an interesting idea to knock around and see where it leads.
 
 
Leap
15:02 / 10.04.03
"What is the Cutting edge?"

Cutting edge? Fashion magic - magic as a mainstream fashion accessory.
 
 
Ria
16:56 / 10.04.03
suicide magic.

results manifest after incarnation in the next life.
 
 
Cygnum
17:46 / 10.04.03
I agree Leap it did sound like a fashion accessory, perhaps I should have said "What is the current evolutionary status of magick?"
 
 
gravitybitch
02:25 / 11.04.03
This is a marvelous thread - thank you!

I agree that the current cutting edge has to do with connectivity between magickians... intentional communities that aren't geographically based and serve where needed, continuing to build community and connections and group workings.
I also like the idea of hanging out a shingle, although I think at this point I'm not quite comfortable doing so myself (but I can and will assist when asked, if I can). As far as accountability is concerned, I suspect that's not so much of a problem here on Barbelith in that lots of people have fictionsuits which seem pretty close to what they might be like in person (I seriously doubt that somebody who comes across as thoughtful, respectful, and empathic here is going to be an asshole in general).
 
 
Leap
10:56 / 11.04.03
"What is the current evolutionary status of magick"

Actually I was not being sarcastic

I think the 'current state' of magic IS INDEED as a fashion accessory (take a look at the "spell-books" in Waterstones etc.). Capitalism has found magic (ok it first noticed magic a few years ago, but I am fairly certain you understand my point) - we live in the midst of the 'buffy generation'.........and personally I think the next 'big thing' may be a backlash into fundamentalist religion (!!!!), leaving magic as an underground movement (when the next generation rebel against todays generation (with a suitable placed product for them to rebel with))........
 
 
gravitybitch
15:32 / 11.04.03
Nahh - that's just capitalism evolving around magick...

I'm only being partially facetious. How magick interacts with "mundane" reality and pop/popular culture is important, but magick is not limited to being reactive...

A two minute analysis of what will happen to magick from the perspective of the "rational world" is that bits of it will be bled off and relabeled as other forms of spiritualism for public consumption. Magick itself as a practice may well spend some time being painted as Satanism or otherwise on the wrong side of a black/white good/evil split, but I don't know if it can be forced completely underground.

(And today's fascination with the occult etc is a backlash against the hyper-rationalism and material excess and televangelicals of the '80s and '90s.)
 
  
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