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E Randy Dupre
10:07 / 06.07.01
...Peter frickin' Lilley
 
 
grant
13:33 / 06.07.01
The links along the right are also fun....

quote:Instead of imitating the success of reductions in drug harm of other countries we continue to repeat the failures of the US, the country with the worst drug problems in the world.-- Paul Flynn, MP, in the "Head to Head" article

[ 06-07-2001: Message edited by: grant ]
 
 
Not Here Still
15:47 / 06.07.01
I'm so pissed off that I agree with Peter fuckin' Lilley - especially with some of the things I've heard about the boy.

D'you reckon Ken Clarke's already trying to sell him fags to use in his joints?
 
 
invisible_al
16:48 / 06.07.01
I saw that story on teletext and right after it was a headline 'Canabis leads to hard drugs'.

I get to the story and who are they quoting.
Ann bloody Widdecomb. Obviously the unbiased voice of truth there.

Saw another story in a Metro lying about on the tube, Canabis has no pain relief benefits...say important people in white coats, or somesuch.

Allegedly this study found that canbis extract (or sythetic stuff the article wasn't clear and they were probably just re-writing a press relase) if injected or taken in pills didn't work as pain relief and often caused depression. My reaction was, well thats because they removed the chemicals that caused the high, unfortunately they're the ones that give pain relief as well. But pleasure is BAD children. *humph*

Anyway no one really knows what half the stuff does in Canabis because no one is allowed to reasearch it apart from to prove its baaaad.

Ho hum if this is the backlash its not as bad as it could be and important people (or ex-important people) are speaking out in favour of the heb.
 
 
Mr Tricks
18:00 / 06.07.01
I have to say that Picture has some of the NASTIEST looking herb I've ever seen!!!

Damn, if that's the quality of the spliffs they're talking about who would want it?!?



I'll take the Black market beauties over that stuff everytime!!!


Ahhhhh life in Northern California . . . Home of the Emerald Triangle Is Very Kind!!!
 
 
rizla mission
19:28 / 06.07.01

It does look a little 'Day of the Triffids', doesn't it?
 
 
Rage
08:41 / 07.07.01
Haha. Thanks some stank shit.

Check out this Clarke dude:

"Mr Clarke told BBC News on Friday "an alternative, slightly druggie lifestyle" had emerged from relaxing cannabis law in Amsterdam and Kingston, Jamaica, which he did not want to see in Britain."

An alternative, slightly druggie lifestyle? LMAO. What's this guy ON?

[ 07-07-2001: Message edited by: Rage ]
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
19:13 / 08.07.01
Clarke? He's on a looooooooot of tobacco. And pies.
 
 
No star here laces
05:17 / 09.07.01
Hey, don't forget the port...
(pass it to the right, donchaknow)
 
 
Mr Tricks
20:40 / 10.07.01
Jaaaaaahhhhhhhhh!
 
 
Lionheart
02:57 / 11.07.01
There's a "facts" page http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/medical_notes/newsid_351000/351472.stm linked from the background column on the page has the following "facts":

High doses of marijuana may cause a coma.

Bullshit. Hell, goto the New Scientist web site and go look at the studies for yourself.

"LSD is a hallucinogenic drug which distorts the way the mind perceives things."

Uhm.. no. Nobody really knows what it does (i.e. how it works) so you can't call it a distortion of reality.

"Once a 'trip' has begun, it is impossible to stop or control it."

Wrong. if a person is having a bad trip then one can talk the tripper down into relaxation..

"Users do not become physically dependent on LSD, but some may experience a psychological dependence."

Some people will develop a psychological dependance to anything. Including the internet.

"Some develop a tolerance of the drug and need to take higher and higher doses, but deaths and overdose are rare."

From what I understand there has not been any deaths attributed to LSD. I could be wrong. Theoretically you could die from it if you take a dose a few thousand times the usual dose. Oh, adn yes. One develops tolerance to LSD very quickly. And the tolerance wears off very quickly.

"LSD users sometimes experience flashbacks which may distress them. Some have long-term psychological effects, such as schizophrenia."

Wrong. Flashbacks are not what you think. They're vivid memories of the trip where the tripper can remember what he felt on acid. It's a better memory than most. That's what's medically called a flashback. LSD does not cause schizophrenia. You shouldn't take it if you're mentally unstable. Why? It might send you over the edge. But then again, people who are mentally unstable shouldn't do heavy meditation because... it might send them over the edge. LSd does not cause schitzophrenia.

"Magic mushrooms also have a hallucinogenic effect which is generally milder than that associated with LSD."

Uhm... LSD and mushrooms are different drugs which cause different effects.

"Cannabis may impair short-term memory and affects body coordination."

Yes. It can. WHILE YOU'RE ON IT. when the pot wears off then those effects are gone.

"Heavy use can lead to confusion, aggravate existing mental disorders and sap energy."

Uh.. What? lead to confusion? Sap energy?

"Long-term use of cannabis can cause lung cancer, bronchitis and other respiratory disorders associated with smoking.

It is unclear if there is more risk of these disorders than with tobacco. However, cannabis users tend to inhale more deeply and the drug does contain higher doses of tar."

Yes. And pot users usually use bongs to filter the smoke.

"People may become both physically and psychogically addicted to cannabis."

BULLSHIT!!![ Physically addicitve? What?!! And psychologically? Maybe some get adddicted psychologically but it's pretty easy to quit.... And plus... DEfine psychological addiction.

"Studies also show that regular, heavy use of the drug may cause nerve damage and affect learning."

WHAT?!! BULLSHIT! SHOW US THE PROOF!

Can we sue the BBS for false news reporting?

"But there is evidence that cannabis can relieve the symptoms of some chronic conditions, such as multiple sclerosis.

The UK government has commissioned research on the substances in cannabis that may have this effect. "

Another study? The government does a study in the U.S. every year or so on the effects of pot and the results come out that it's quite safe and beneficial. But they still keep researching it every year. And they keep getting the same results.
 
 
Jamieon
13:45 / 11.07.01
The trouble with the whole debate is that everyone involved is still using the useless, homogenizing, pejorative term, "drugs".

Cannabis is a "gateway drug" only because the word "drugs" predisposes people to confuse a disparate group of chemicals - with wide ranging effects - with one another; as though, somehow, they're all the same thing: they're all just "illegal drugs". And, in that case, if it's alright to smoke a joint, it might be alright to pop an E. The stupid notion that they're all somehow related is born out of language that attributes to these different chemicals some kind of bizzare continuity/similarity.

Legalisation might put a stop to this semantic mistake, eliminating, as it would, the use of the word "illegal" from the equation.

Anyway, E Prime related rant over.

Let's move on to some of the other idiotic stuff the media and the politicians are spewing.

quote: I saw that story on teletext and right after it was a headline 'Canabis leads to hard drugs'.

Firstly, so what if it does? I couldn't give a toss if people move on from cannabis to cocaine. The vast majority of people don't turn into skag users, so who gives a shit. The only real cause for concern are the economically deprived areas where heroin/crack use is commonplace. But this is a very complicated problem, that doesn't simply reduce to "Hey! Let's get the drugs out and then everything'll be OK!".

quote:"LSD is a hallucinogenic drug which distorts the way the mind perceives things."

Again, this kind of statement is born out of faulty semantics. Please define "distorts" Mr. Cunty. I'm sure the definition will have something to do with an "absolute reality" that only exists for a mind incapable of assimilating change and diversity.

quote:"Users do not become physically dependent on LSD, but some may experience a psychological dependence."

What was that, Mr. Cunty?

"psychological dependence"?

What?

How many people have you met that have ever found themselves getting within a billion, trillion miles of an addiction to a psychedelic as powerful a LSD? It's too exhausting, too much of a headfuck for most, and this, combined with the fact that it has an exceedingly high tolerance rate, leads you almost unerringly to the figure, less than zero.

And, I'll say it again, who gives a shit if people do get addicted to it?


quote: "LSD users sometimes experience flashbacks which may distress them. Some have long-term psychological effects, such as schizophrenia."

So let's deny them the opportunity to access these states; let's enforce a law....

Jesus.

quote: "Cannabis may impair short-term memory and affects body coordination."

Err? Booze? Anyone?

quote: "Heavy use can lead to confusion, aggravate existing mental disorders and sap energy."

Again, let's deny people the responsibility of taking charge of their bodies/lives.

But, Mr. Cunty, isn't it up to me?

I can't help thinking that all this concern about peoples mental health etc just disguises a knee-jerk, Pavlovian reaction to the word "drugs". This isn't rational debate, and it's only through rational debate and inquiry that we can really begin to deal with some of the problems that "drugs" can cause. Let's begin with legalisation/decriminalisation and move on from there.

quote: Mr Clarke told BBC News on Friday "an alternative, slightly druggie lifestyle" had emerged from relaxing cannabis law in Amsterdam and Kingston, Jamaica, which he did not want to see in Britain."

Dear Mr. Clarke, you already live in a "druggy society", now let's do something constructive about it rather than sweeping it all under the carpet with legislation, stigmatizing and loaded language.

[ 11-07-2001: Message edited by: Jamieon ]
 
 
pebble
14:18 / 11.07.01
Although I hate to say it there was a report in the journal of neuroscience (or some such thing) which found that cannabis was addictive. I can't remember the reference off the top of my head, but I'll dig it up from somewhere. I guess the point is that contrary to some belief cannabis can be addictive. But then so is alochol (ask an alocholic) and can you imagion the public reaction if we tried to ban that.
So although simply saying, 'its not addictive, legalise it' isn't compleatly true, the fact its addictive isn't a reason to ban it either.

Also, on a personal level I'd much rather be in a room full of pot heads, who are relaxed and tripping, than stuck with a load of beerd up tossers looking for a fight.

[ 11-07-2001: Message edited by: pebble ]
 
 
Lionheart
15:26 / 11.07.01
Pebble, i know which study you're talking about. Which is why I told everybody to go to NewScientist.com

The explain the study and then explain the problem with the study. It's very alarmist and you actually have to read it to find this out...

quote:The problem with this kind of research is that it all depends on what is meant by addiction. A drug addict is usually seen as a person liable to both withdrawal symptoms and long-term damage to their health. But Kandel's self-report criteria are based on a broader definition. If we applied them to coffee, vast numbers of us would qualify as addicts. Similarly, many people might describe themselves as "addicted" to shopping or television or chocolate. Kandel's analysis suggests young marijuana smokers are more likely to show symptoms of dependence than their beer-swilling contemporaries, but it doesn't tell us which substance is the more dangerously addictive.
 
 
pebble
06:58 / 12.07.01
Thanks for the note Lionheart. I'm glad it has been questioned - I went back over it last night (interest renewed by the thread) and found myself wondering what they were testing. The idea of addiction they seem to out forward is more based on simple pleasure, which anything/anyone would come back for more of.

But I still stand by my comments that the whole addiction argument is null and void anyway, because the right person can get addicted to anything - cannabis would be just another in a long list of socially acceptable addictive substances/activities.
 
  
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