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Request for help: weapons question...

 
 
that
08:01 / 05.04.03
What do you call a fighting stick, possibly with metal ends?

Sorry for being so useless and wasting a thread with a dopey question... but thank you.
 
 
that
08:18 / 05.04.03
I suppose a staff, baton or wand might do. Just wondered if there was like a proper name...
 
 
Mourne Kransky
08:30 / 05.04.03
Been having more trouble with that postman, Chol?
 
 
that
08:34 / 05.04.03
 
 
Jack Fear
13:13 / 05.04.03
Staff would do the trick. Or quarterstaff, which is what Robin Hood and little John always called 'em: don't know what "quarter" refers to in this regard, but I'm guessing it has nothing to do with fractions--more likely with "no quarter."

And I've always been fond of the word "cudgel," myself, though that would generally be a shorter, club-type thing.

Specific types of fighting staves have specific names, of course, according to their size, weight, and dimension, and to the technique with which they are used--i.e., the Japanese bo is only a bo if you use it in proper bo style: otherwise, it's simply a stick, just as any tool becomes a hammer in an emergency.
 
 
that
13:30 / 05.04.03
Thank you, Jack. Staff it is then, I think...
 
 
w1rebaby
15:31 / 05.04.03
I've heard the metal-ends version referred to as an "iron staff".
 
 
pointless and uncalled for
11:01 / 06.04.03
The basic version is the staff. What kind of metal are you putting on the ends here. The shape and nature of the metal could mean that it's anything from the iron staff (metal coverings of the tips) to the Guichard Fork. In addition to that the form of combat and length of the staff/stick could also mean that it's a different weapon. Options include horseback, infantry, hand-to-hand, metre, two metres etc.
 
 
that
11:27 / 06.04.03
about a metre and a half, just capped with hefty iron baubles.
 
 
Bear
08:54 / 07.04.03
Does it have to be one of those staff things? I know where you can get some really nice staff axes in a Medieval style if that's any good?
 
 
that
09:06 / 07.04.03
Unfortunately I don't actually have the means to buy one, though as Xoc suggests it would be very useful for the postman. I just need to know the name of the item... but thank you, Bear, they sound very Druss the Legend.
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
09:15 / 07.04.03
Try here. There are some truly ghastly objects listed - but the Bec de Corbin and Bec de Faucon seem to be close to what you describe.

And I haven't even looked the other pages on the site.
 
 
that
09:20 / 07.04.03
Thanks Nick - I like that site, but I hadn't noticed that bit... I think its terms are a bit too fancy, I'll just stick with staff or iron staff. Thank you all.
 
 
Bear
11:19 / 07.04.03
Guess I should have read the thread a little better, I thought you wanted to buy one and I didn't really think why you might be wanting one - not sure if that says something about me or my thoughts on what you might be like in the real world Cholister
 
 
that
11:34 / 07.04.03
Believe me, I'm quite pleased to be thought of as the type of person who would buy a huge fuck-off axe.

While we're on the subject, does anyone know anywhere you can hire medieval-looking swords? This being for the tarot set I plan to photograph at some point, rather than for a massacre with my elite team of ninja warriors...
 
 
Bear
11:45 / 07.04.03
I know where you can buy them but not hire - must be some sort of supplier for TV but it would probably be just as cheap to buy em - I have a bit of thing about knifes and swords

Check here for lots of pointy goodness -

Swoosh, Chop, Point Point
 
 
Bear
11:48 / 07.04.03
Check out the Deluxe Ninja Sword - I bet even Pirates would be tempted!
 
 
that
12:50 / 07.04.03
Danke, Bear
 
 
angel
13:07 / 07.04.03
Cholister you might think about contacting re-enactment groups for swords to photograph, but you would need to be clear as to what era, what/where for a cultural group and what kind of sword you were looking for.

Most re-enactors I have met have been sound people, and both women and men are actively involved in the hobby. Just thought I'd mention it as an idea.
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
13:18 / 07.04.03
I suppose it would be inappropriate to call it a jo?
 
 
mixmage
13:39 / 07.04.03
OUCH! please store your katana with the curve upward. Saves blade and scabbard wear.

Iaido with a blunt blade?

Iaidon't, more like.
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
13:46 / 07.04.03
It's called a quarter-staff because of the way you fight with it. When you get hit with one end, the next blow will come from the opposite quarter.

Least, that's what I read somewheres.
 
 
grant
13:54 / 07.04.03
Jack Fear:

Ha-HA! It is named for the fraction!
I have a Loompanics book on stick fighting which I haven't used for much, but which I do remember referred to halfstaff as well as quarterstaff.

According to the Ethnographic Edged Weapons Forum, it refers to the kind of grip:

The quarterstaff is not a weapon. In traditional English staff fighting, "quarterstaff" is a long range guard with your staff horizontal. "halfstaff" is a short guard with staff vertical.


and this page here in the Journal of Western Martial Arts says this:

R.G.A.Winn a 19th cntury master at arms, and an expert with the quarterstaff, Saber, and Singlestick, wrote in his book Broadsword & Singlestick

"The quarterstaff gets it's name from the fact that it was gripped at the quarterpoints, and the centre of the staff. With the left hand at the centre, ( palm upwards ) and the right hand at the lower quarterpoint, ( palm down ) This gives a three foot point end, and a very useful eighteen inch butt end. ( this may give the length of Winns staff of about six foot ) the grip was changed by releasing one hand only, and swinging the staff to catch it appropriately for the next technique or strike. "



and has some great stories like this:

An Englishman named Richard Peeke was involved in an episode during the English, Spanish wars and is a tale of how effective the Quarterstaff can be in trained hands, as an excerpt from maister Terry Browns book English Martial Arts explains.

"In the year 1625 England and Spain were at war and Peeke was serving in an English naval squadron, under the command of the Earl of Essex, which was attacking a Spanish naval stronghold. After heavy and accurate bombardment the English captured the fortress, whereupon, they sent forces ashore to carry the attack inland. In the wake of the English landings sailors were sent ashore to forage for food. Richard Peeke, of Tavistock in Devon, was among them. Unwisely he foraged alone and paid the price for his mistake when he was attacked by a patrol of spanish musketers. After a furious fight, during which Peeke was wounded twice, he was captured and taken in chains to Cales ( Cadiz ). from there he was transfered to Xeres where he was put on trial. Present at his trial, which in reality was a miitary interrogation, were four Dukes, four Marquesses, and four Earls. After much questioning Peeke was asked if he thought that the Spanish soldiers present would prove such 'hennes' as the English when they landed in England the following yeare. "

"No" replied Peeke. "They would prove to be pullets or chickens."


Peeke's insolent reply brought forth an angry response from the Spaniards.

"Darst thou then ( quoth Duke Mdyna, with a brow half angry ) fight with one of these Spanish pullets."

Peeke replied that,

"...hee was unworthy the name of an Englishman, that should refuse to fight with one man of any nation whatsoever."

At this Peek's chains and shackles were removed and a space was created for him to fight a Spanish champion by the name of Tiago. Both were armed with Rapier and Poinard. The ensuing fight continued for some time before Peeke, using the guard of the poinard, trapped the blade of Tiago's rapier and simultaniously swept the Spaniards feet from under him. Peeke's rapier, held to the throat of senor Tiago brought forth the necessary capitulation. Spanish pride had been sorely wounded and it was demanded of Peeke whether he would be willing to fight another Spaniard. Peeke replied in the affirmative provided he was allowed to fight with.

"... mine owne countrrey weapon called the quarter - staffe."

Upon this remark the Spanish unscrewed the head from a Halbered to create a makeshift Quarterstaff. Armed with the weapon of his choice Peeke stood ready to meet his next challenger. However the Spanish were clearly no longer so confident in the prowess of their soldiers for, to Peeke's consternation, two Swordsmen stepped forward to fight him. Peeke sarcastically asked if more would like to join them. The Duke of Medyna asked how many he desired to fight.

"Any number under sixe". replied Peeke.

The Duke smiled scornfully and beckoned a third man to join the original two. Peeke and the rapier men warily traversed each other, all the while thrusting and warding, till finally Peeke gambled on an all out attack. His first blow a left one of his adversaries dead and his subsequent blows left the other two injured and disarmed. No doubt they also left the Spanish seriously questioning the wisdom of their invasion plans. Peeke's feat so impressed his Spanish captors that they released him and granted him safe conduct to England.


Boy Scouts could get a badge in it, 100 years ago:

 
 
Quantum
14:06 / 07.04.03
Go Richard Peeke! Rock n' roll, quarterstaff fighting rules! Take that, Spaniards!

BTW Cholister I can put you in contact with some re-enacters- they can probably get a broadsword as well as a proper stave for you- they'll likely have a chalice and shield you could use for the other suits too.
 
 
Bear
14:34 / 07.04.03
I still say you buy one, the more people that own swords the better I reckon and capes, swords and capes....
 
 
Jack Fear
14:39 / 07.04.03
I stand corrected.

Rather, I lie corrected, wincing with pain, ribs cracked from a vicious fractional drubbing.
 
 
Trijhaos
15:19 / 07.04.03
Check out the Deluxe Ninja Sword - I bet even Pirates would be tempted!

Ewww! That thing is nasty. I can't believe that people actually call that "thing" a sword.

Now this is a katana.
 
 
pointless and uncalled for
15:24 / 07.04.03
If it's about tennis ball sixed baubles then iron staff should suffice. However, through many years of Gygax inspired geekery, I will ennerden myself and see if I can come up with a specific name as I'm sure I have seen reference to something like this in a AD&D style sourcebook.

Sourcebook, how fucking sad am I? Seriously, feel free to spit on me or something.
 
 
mixmage
15:39 / 07.04.03
Trijhaos - That is one hell of a ninja sword!

you can't even SEE it!
 
 
mixmage
02:07 / 08.04.03
ahhhh... better.
 
 
A
02:57 / 08.04.03
Does anyone else get the feeling that Cholister will soon be starting a topic entitled "Request for help: body disposal question..."?
 
 
Saint Keggers
03:19 / 08.04.03
Yes nothing says ninja like 'tip is buffalo horn'. Those roaming buffalo were quite the menace until they were hunted to extinction by ninja.

This pirate is not tempted.
 
  
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