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War is right... from the left?

 
 
Mirror
22:02 / 03.04.03
Dan Savage, if you haven't read his wonderfully funny and accurate advice column, is a rather liberal individual, to say the least. He's gay, endorses all manner of alternative lifestyle choices, is environmentally aware, etc. So, when I saw a link to an article entitled "Against the war - for now" I wasn't exactly prepared to find what I did - a lucid argument in favor of the West invading and remaking the Mideast.

Against the war - for now.
 
 
Foust is SO authentic
01:18 / 04.04.03
Savage compares a remaking of the middle east to the rebuilding of Europe after WWII; there's at least one major difference I can think of of. Wasn't the Marshall plan primarily about building viable markets for American goods? The US needed healthy, strong and free (read: rich) nations in Europe. Does it have the same need in the middle east? Won't the guiding light of post-war rebuilding be to maintain the status quo, albeit a less bothersome version of the status quo?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
13:04 / 04.04.03
I think I'm going to be sick.

Honestly, I find these so-called 'liberals' (translation = preserve social freedoms for rich white people!), the ivory tower centre-left, respectable middle-class 'moderates', war-would-have-been-right-with-UN-backing, apologist-for-mass-murder fuckers (see also Hitchens, Aaronovitch, etc) more disgusting than even the most hawkish, right-wing elements of the pro-war camp.

Savage seems to be living in cloud cuckoo land in a couple of key respects. The first is the sheer arrogance that believes that such a war could ever be fought and won. It's just such a vague, divorced-from-reality concept - take over "the Middle East - how fucked-up and ill-informed is the idea that there's just one 'Middle East', one big bad alliance of nasty "Islamo-fascist" dictatorships - I mean what the FUCK? I assume that, although his knowledge of war itself is clearly that of a 12 year old who's played too much 'Command and Conquer', Savage grasps the idea that the only way such a campaign or series of campaigns would *not* be a complete bloodbath is if the majority of the populations of the states he's referring to (again, which ones exactly, who knows) rise up and join with their 'liberators', defect from their national armies, etc. In this respect, the date of this article is telling, as the way the war's unfolded has demonstrated to the pro-war camp some very basic and universal aspects of human nature - eg, if someone invades your country with a massive display of military force, bombs your city or town, kills your friends and neighbours, the tendency is to fight back rather than welcome them with open arms. So the arrogance here is primarily the idea that whoever these people of the "Middle East" are, they will realise "Oh, so you made me homeless and destitute, without access to food, electricity or clean water, but it was for my own good, so I could embrace the liberal and progressive values of dating advice columnist Dan Savage! My eternal thanks!" once they have been 'liberated' (by overwhelming military force) and whatever's left of their country has been forcible 'reformed'.

The second delusion Savage buys into is the conceipt of "changing course" - a concept I first saw identified by Noam Chomsky, but it's so omnipresent now you'd have to be pretty blind to miss it - basically the idea is that those in power and their lickspittles in the media say "OK, we did some bad things to other countries in the past, but that was long ago and things were different then: from now on, we will only use our powers for good" - then you go ahead and do pretty much the exact same thing you did last time, because the power structures in your country haven't changed all that much since then, nor have the motivations/interests of those in power... I swear, the next person who tries to tell me that the fact the US/UK backed Saddam Hussein for so many years, and generally fucked-up the Middle East for countless decades, means we have a "responsibility" to make up for all that... by engaging in further colonial/imperialist aggression! Splendid, splendid. Read the ideology of the arhcitects of this war in their own words and then come back and try that shit.

In addition, I really dig the way Savage says the West fucked up the Middle East was only by sponsoring tyrants in the Arab world - obviously, to suggest that a 'civilised', 'democratic', 'secular' state massively sponsored and in fact virtually created by the West (Israel) might be in any way to blame for conflict in the Middle East would be, you know, anti-semitic.

The bit that *really* made me physically sick, however, is here:

Bombs just make more terrorists." Really? We dropped more bombs on Vietnam than we dropped on Europe during World War II. Where are all the Vietnamese terrorists?

The implications of this are staggering and monstrous - the sheer contempt for human life - is this guy even human? Does he have any kind of moral compass? Does anyone reading this need me or anyone else to even bother putting forward an argument as to why this is horrifying, and makes me want to cry?

He's also guilty of misreporting very basic facts - You don't hear much from the left about the pain that Saddam Hussein inflicts and War at times is the only hope for an oppressed people--as each Iraqi refugee quickly informs the first Western reporter he can find - you don't me to find links referring to the large number of expatriate/refugee Iraqis who don't support a US/UK war on Iraq as a solution (do you? it's been well documented in the mainstream UK press at least), or the fact that opposing Hussein's regime is one of the most common uniting factors among the antiwar left, regularly restated in interviews and speeches in an attempt to combat the persistent untruth spread by the prowar camp (a blatant smear).

Ultimately, Savage's basic position differs little from that of neoconservative hawks like Rumsfield/Perle etc - in their view the US is self-evidently righteous, and is deeply threatened by aggressive, non-compliant or 'rogue' states and stateless international terrorism: it can therefore take whatever measures are felt necessary to consolidate its power - the only difference with Savage is that he extends this to cover the whole of 'the West' (good liberal, nice liberal, liberal want a bone?). 'We' are morally, culturally and politically superior (and conveniantly, militarily superior too), we should remake anyone we perceive as a threat in our image, by force. As ever, the power differential at play is presented as exactly the opposite of the one that exists in reality. Cities in the US and Europe risk utter destruction if the West does not forcibly take over the entire "Middle East", a process which is presented as *not* involving the utter destruction of major cities (or it could just be that Savage doesn't care as long as it's *their* cities, those nasty "Islamo-fascists"; as per his view of Vietnam).

I could go on, but part of me wonders why I'm wasting so much time on this guy, when I could just have pointed out that anyone who uses the phrase "Islamo-fascism" is a fucking moron. "Lucid"? I mean, he's just about literate, but really...
 
 
Jack Fear
13:14 / 04.04.03
Well, yeah, there was that—and there was building a bulwark of democracy against the encroaching Soviet Union: the US never really came off a wartime footing, swinging directly from the end of WWII into the beginning of the Cold War.

But I think there was a genuine interest in nation-building and promoting democracy, as well. If there hadn't been, then it would've been far easier to go the full imperial route, keeping the former Axis powers under military governorship indefinitely, instead of pushing them towards self-determination.

Because, let's face it, from an objective viewpoint, bringing democracy to the former Axis powers hasn't really done American hegemony any favors, has it?

Italian democracy has been notoriously unstable, in a way that an American puppet regime wouldn't have been: how can you draft a meaningful foreign policy towards a nation that changes governments like most people change their underwear?

Why expend the immense effort of setting up democratic institutions in Japan, a nation that had no cultural framework for democracy (and where a violent minority didn't want it), resulting in a timid and anemic (i.e., inefficient) government that often (as America ses it) bites the hand that feeds it—when it would've been far easier to simply run the place outright as a military protectorate, extending and subverting the tradition of emperor-worship (which is pretty much what happened in the early years of occupation, when MacArthur was regarded with a godlike awe)—unless you had a genuine interest in democracy as an end unto itself?

As for rebuilding the Middle East; I think the US desperately needs a more democractic Arab world, if only to protect itself from a new wave of Islamofascist terrorism. I've made this argument many times before—that most of these kids are turning to radical Islam and terrorism because it's the only form of political discourse available to them—and they're targeting the US because the US is propping up rotten, repressive regimes in their own countries. Osama bin Laden's war with the United States is, in reality, a war with Saudi Arabia—a civil war by proxy.

So it is undoubtedly in the West's interest to promote democracy in the Middle East—because democracies, by and large, do not produce terrorists in any great numbers: in democracies, there are opther ways to effect pol,itical change, and strapping yourself to fifty pounds of TNT suddenly seems a lot less appealing than just writing a letter to your alderman. When people have a real choice between the ballot and the bullet, they'll go for the ballot.
 
 
Jack Fear
13:18 / 04.04.03
Whoops. Wrote my reply as Flyboy was working on his.

I used the phrase "Islamofascist," too. Bad liberal: no biscuit.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
13:26 / 04.04.03
No, but I think you're making an important point I forgot: another reason Savage is very, very dim is that he seems to think the only way the 'West' could try to promote democracy in the Middle East is to "invade, occupy and remake" dictatorships - as opposed to, y'know, withdrawing our active support for them...
 
 
MJ-12
14:59 / 04.04.03
Bombs just make more terrorists." Really? We dropped more bombs on Vietnam than we dropped on Europe during World War II. Where are all the Vietnamese terrorists?

The implications of this are staggering and monstrous - the sheer contempt for human life - is this guy even human? Does he have any kind of moral compass? Does anyone reading this need me or anyone else to even bother putting forward an argument as to why this is horrifying, and makes me want to cry?

Trying to argue morals in something like this is a bit of a losing game, as it rests on a notion of certain shared values and assumptions. More to the point, I'd say there aren't any Vietnamese terrorists because we haven't been fucking with the Vietnamese for the last 28 years, a detail which seems to have escaped Savage.
 
 
Baz Auckland
16:26 / 04.04.03
Just readan article mentioning this yesterday in Eye magazine...

From what I've gathered about the likes of Hitchens and Savage, however, it seems they were always right-wing nuts in cheap leftist clothing. Take, for example, Hitchens' extraordinarily colonialist view, written over a decade ago in The Nation, that the conquest (read: genocide) of native American Indians ushered in "a boundless epoch of opportunity and innovation" that should be "celebrated with great vim and gusto." This from the man who recently predicted that the American attack on Iraq would be "rapid, accurate and dazzling." Hitchens describes the ugliness of war and the prospect of the brutal annihilation of innocent people as if he's reviewing the latest Broadway musical. Go ahead, George, drop the Mother of All Bombs on the Iraqis. Razzle dazzle 'em! Christopher Hitchens can suck my dick.
 
 
Undecided
16:42 / 04.04.03
As for rebuilding the Middle East; I think the US desperately needs a more democractic Arab world, if only to protect itself from a new wave of Islamofascist terrorism. I've made this argument many times before—that most of these kids are turning to radical Islam and terrorism because it's the only form of political discourse available to them...

And the U.S. has proven that their patented form of "democracy" is particularly effective in controlling the otherwise unruly masses by letting them believe that they have more of a voice than they actually do. The second wave of our plan for Middle East reform should definitely be an effort to establish a media model based on that in the U.S. (and, perhaps, run by those who run the U.S. media outlets). Get 'em choking on some Temptation Island and they'll forget any and all former enmity, I'm sure.
 
 
Jack Fear
16:48 / 04.04.03
Do you have a useful alternative suggestion to offer? Or are you just gonna spew bile?
 
 
Undecided
17:02 / 04.04.03
Ahhh...sorry. This war has got my liver working overtime...

Well, I have to say that I would feel a lot better about the spread of democracy if it weren't being perpetuated by the U.S. I know that pure democracy is just a few notches above anarchism in terms of practicality, but the U.S. model seems to be moving further away from that ideal all of the time. Even if the new governments set up aren't puppet regimes, I can't help but feel that they're getting a faulty start if the U.S. is their blueprint of what a democracy is.

That said, I agree with most of what you said, Jack. Yours are about the only reasons that I would in any way support the war, although that route seems to be a perfect example of the concept of 'changing course' delinneated by Flyboy above. The whole deal seems to be more about covering our own asses, in the long run. But that's not exactly a shocking discovery anymore.
 
 
Jack Fear
17:22 / 04.04.03
Oh, sure—seeing the rhetoric of "changing course" being co-opted by those with a naked self-interest is disheartening. But I can't see just throwing up my hands and giving in to cynicism—not now, when there's so much work to be done.

I don't know if I can wait for the Revolution, personally: I feel like I've got to take my good news where I can find it in the here & now, imperfect as it is—half a loaf's better than none, after all—and find hope wherever it presents itself: even an action undertaken for ignoble reasons may still yield a result that points the way towards a finer world.

Calculating that result is the Devil's arithmetic, sometimes—the classic example is looking at the carnage of Hiroshima and trying to see it in terms of how many lives were saved by avoiding a full-scale Allied invasion of Japan—but hope crops up in the oddest places.
 
 
Undecided
17:33 / 04.04.03
I feel simultaneously relieved that these decisions aren't mine to make and guilty that a government that we are, in theory, supposed to have some degree of control over is making them.

But, yes. It's awfully easy to lose sight of the potential good amongst the overwhelming spectacle of the bad. Thanks for the reminder.
 
  
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