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Who's the best Wu-Tang guy?

 
 
Jack Denfeld
22:28 / 30.03.03
So, who's your favorite? I like Rza.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
22:50 / 30.03.03
Huh. Where to start.

Since you've not limited the question to "best rapper", I think a very strong case can be made for The RZA, because he's arguably the greatest hip-hop producer of the last decade if not of all time (controversial).



I seriously don't know where to start in terms of picking out single tracks - basically every beat on GZA's Liquid Swords and Raekwon's Only Built 4 Cuban Linx is fucking genius, and he's still *got* it, despite what some may tell you - but aside from that, his influence on the sound of hip-hop and other genres is just... gigantic. Add to that the fact that he's not a bad rapper himself, and you have a very talented man indeed. Plus, he just looks cool, and he does mad shit like invent a thugged-out, lazer-toting superhero alter ego called Bobby Digital as an almost magically act designed to clean the evil shit out of his head.



I'm going to have to come back tomorrow when my fingers aren't aching and explain why I used to like GZA best, then it was Meth, and now it's Ghostface Killah. Except to say: it has to be Ghost. The man has more jaw-dropping artistic talent than Picasso, Kerouac and Lennon combined. And he's always rapping about food. C'mon!
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
23:13 / 30.03.03
It's so hard. I agree with pretty much everything Flyboy says, right down to the order of initial favorites following the GZA --> Method Man --> Ghostface arc.

All nine members have their charms. I'd say Masta Killa is the only member who is anything less than spectacular, but he's still a lot better and more unique than your average MC. Inspectah Deck tends to be underrated by most people. U-God has been improving steadily over the years, I doubt that he's recorded his best work yet.
 
 
A
23:15 / 30.03.03
Sorry, dude, we're all White Rock Fans around here, and we only like whatever hip hop the NME tells us to. We know not of your edgy Negro music.
 
 
moriarty
23:15 / 30.03.03
Ol' Dirty. Without a doubt.
 
 
bio k9
01:02 / 31.03.03
...say all the white rock dudes.
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
02:50 / 31.03.03
inspectah deck has the best name, followed by ghostface killah
 
 
moriarty
03:34 / 31.03.03
"Sorry, dude, we're all White Rock Fans around here, and we only like whatever hip hop the NME tells us to. We know not of your edgy Negro music."

"...say all the white rock dudes."

Sorry for being a little dense, but I don't come around the music forum all that often. What are the above quotes getting at? Is this some sort of in-joke? Ironic? Sincere? I really know nothing about all this cliquey music stuff.
 
 
Seth
04:10 / 31.03.03
Meth is definitely the best looking, but talent-wise it's RZA and Ghostface all the way.

GZA! Return!

Ghostface Killa! I choose you!
 
 
bio k9
06:00 / 31.03.03
The best name is Big Baby Jesus.

"Wu-Tang is for the kids, man. The kids."
 
 
pointless and uncalled for
06:18 / 31.03.03
I think that my vote shall be cast at GZA on the simple grounds that, although there have been many superb productions, Liquid Swords has yet to be beat.

I understand that an amount of this credit is due entirely to RZA but, as he didn't write the material, it is GZA that made this masterpiece what it is.
 
 
rizla mission
07:02 / 31.03.03
What a question..

To my mind even the weakest Wu-Tang member kicks the ass of 90% of other rappers.

GZA, Ol' Dirty Bastard, Method Man, RZA, Ghostface, Inspectah Deck are all my favourites, and I think I'll spectacularly fail to protect my neck by saying that i think Masta Killa is way better than people give him credit for. Some of his rhymes are just the greatest.
 
 
rizla mission
07:06 / 31.03.03
Oh, and moriarty, i think that's just some bitching left over from this thread.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
09:51 / 31.03.03
I don't think the greatness of the Wu or the difficulty of answering this question can really be over-estimated... Even before moriarty made his choice I was thinking about how you could make a case for ODB as the greatest even though he scores really low in certain areas (consistency, quantity of output, lyrical 'intelligence' for want of a better word). Dirty's form of deranged brilliance is just so immediate and incontestable... Imagine if someone who'd never heard of the Clan heard, say, Nigga Please, and you told them some stories about him too, and then you had to explain that he's in a group in which there were at least three of four people even cooler than he is...



Free Dirty! I so love the way the Wu-Tang Clan function just like a pantheon of gods, with Dirty as the unpredictable, sometimes downright dangerous trickster figure. The spirit of monkey is irrepressible, etc. Could anyone else do a song which consists of shouting the words "Big Baby Jesus, I can't wait, nigga fuck that, I can't wait!" over and over again with increasing urgency over the theme from TJ Hooker before going off on a mad, freeform dedication ending "I dedicate this to... myself!"? Or cover a Phil Collins song and make it a thing to groove and grin madly to?



"I'm gonna be like a bird... I'm gonna live on birdseed!"

See, there's so much potential for writing about just one member of the Clan... Maybe that's what I should do in each post now... Yeah!
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
11:47 / 31.03.03
Another OBD quote: "The government, they tol' me I wasn't supposed to be born, I bought this power into the world... an' they're after me".
The man's a genius. Or just crazy fucked up.
 
 
moriarty
12:07 / 31.03.03
And I want to give a shout out to the eskimos, and Bio-K9 and Rizla for answering my question.
 
 
Jack Denfeld
04:54 / 01.04.03
I remember when I 1st joined the army I was hooked on the Gravediggaz CD. Rza needs to get back to work.
 
 
01
18:06 / 04.04.03
Method Man was the best before he started doing Right Guard ads.
Holy fell right the fuck off...
...
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eeep.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
18:34 / 04.04.03
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Ol Dirty Bastard is sort of like hip hop's Syd Barrett. Don't think about that too much, and it'll make perfect sense.

I love the Wu-Tang-as-pantheon-ODB-as-trickster-figure analogy.
 
 
The Falcon
22:02 / 04.04.03
1. Rza
2. ODB
 
 
Jackie Susann
02:06 / 07.04.03
I really hope Flyboy will keep posting about each individual member, at least for a few. And since this is one of those, would be different if you asked me in ten minutes questions, I'm gonna go with Method Man since I have his track from Under Constructions stuck in my head and I'm in love with that bit where he goes "that's amore, all day, mind over matter, my forte is foreplay, sex on a platter, give it to you, bend you, serve you everything on the menu, with all that freak shit you into", or whatever it is.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
14:49 / 07.04.03
Ask and ye shall receive.

"Special technique -"
"Fuck 'dat."
"Special technique of shadowboxing!"




So let's talk about the GZA/Genius.

He's the one who appeals to the college/backpacker crowd. I'm not sure how exactly this happened, since so much of Liquid Swords is made up of crime narratives, exactly the kind of thing that got other rappers at the time labeled as gangsters - they're probably criminals in real life too! and they're proud of it! etc - and still does. It must be the way he tells them. It's the gravitas and authority in his voice: GZA arguably has the best voice in the Clan, he has this rally cool New Yoirk drawl and sounds like his voicebox has been carved out of very old wood - if he ever retires from rapping he should get a job doing the voiceovers for movie trailers - "it was a time of heroes", etc.

It's the way he tells 'em - he has a knack for inspired simile and wordplay, "unbalanced like elephants and ants on see-saws" being the one I always like to quote. He's an amazing storyteller - "I'm not an actor but the author" as he has it - check out 'Killah Hills 10304', in which GZA connects the dots between "A wild Middle Eastern bomb specialist, initiated at eleven to be a terrorist" to judges who are "sent photographs of they wives takin baths, along with briefcase filled with one point five, that's the bribe: take it or commit suicide" - it's this whole world of corruption that spans the golbe - nobody gets out clean... There's always this sense of moral weight with the GZA - always this palpable intelligence too, which I guess is his blessing and curse. With some other Wu members, and rappers generally, you don't realise how clever they're being until you hear the song 4 or 10 or 100 times... with GZA, it's unmistakeable, but the thing is, it can get a bit wearing. The main problem with GZA is that Liquid Swords was so good - all the guest spots are brilliant, some of RZA's best beats, simultaneously accessibly funky and creepy and strange - and nothing he's done since has really come close (although I've not heard more than tiny bits of his new album, Legend of the Liquid Sword - bit put off by the name though, STOP COASTING ON PAST ACHIEVEMENTS, GZA!). There's the odd verse like on the last track on Ghost's Supreme Clintele or the one on 'Pinky Ring', but generally, he's just sort of faded a bit. And he keeps rehashing the 'Labels' stick-proper-names-into-sentences trick ('Publicity', 'Fame') so that it seems like a gimmick. Plus it's got easy to take the piss out of his po-facedness - like the way his bit of the video for the latter is him sitting in a dark room on an uncomfy looking throne, with lightning flashing - grr! Scary! No girls allowed in the Genius' room!

However, he was my first Wu love, so I still give him props. Plus, I've always wanted this jacket:

 
 
Shrug
16:06 / 07.04.03
ODB, though I am not familiar with The Wu-Tang Clan I listened to his solo effort years ago, and thought it was quite good, so by default if you like ODB.
 
 
Seth
16:49 / 07.04.03
GZA's playing Southampton, 02.05.03. For some unfathomable reason.

Anyone who wants to come is pretty much guaranteed crash space.
 
 
rizla mission
08:21 / 08.04.03
Plus it's got easy to take the piss out of his po-facedness - like the way his bit of the video for the latter is him sitting in a dark room on an uncomfy looking throne, with lightning flashing - grr! Scary! No girls allowed in the Genius' room!

ha, ha - it all makes sense now. He's the goth one!
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
01:08 / 14.11.04


RIP.
 
  
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