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Do you own your stuff, or does your stuff own you?

 
 
moriarty
16:09 / 29.03.03
If I don't have a roommmate by the end of April I will have to move or put my stuff into storage and go to Ireland for the summer. I'm going through my stuff and trying to be as picky as possible, but it's difficult. My brother, in comparison, is taking off for Vancouver and is getting rid of almost everything he owns. I've known quite a few people like this and I envy them. All this stuff is breaking me.

For example, I have a medium sized video tape collection, and since I got a dvd player I have considered just chucking the whole bunch of tapes and starting over. I put aside those videos that are hard to find, and others that I particularly like to watch but are very expensive on dvd. One thing led to another, and I still have 4/5ths of my collection. This applies to everything I own, from comics, to books, to personal papers, to old artwork, etc.

Add to this the fact that my place (wherever it is at any given time) is now the family home, and now I'm holding onto three giant boxes of Christmas ornaments, among other things. I'm very nostaligic, and since my family has split up into five different cities thousands of miles away from each other, I've tried to hold onto everything I could that reminded me of them. None of the rest of my family understands this.

What it comes down to is that I should chuck the Commodore 64, old band shirts and Vertigo comics and just keep the cats and the clothes on my back. But I don't know if I have the strength.

i'd be happy to hear any advice, or from anyone who is or isn't able to relate.
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
17:45 / 29.03.03
gads man
sell the C64 on ebay for a few hundred, same with old tour shirts and comics

keep the familly stuff, you will be really upset in 5 years when you look for the stuff you thought you saved and its gone...
 
 
betty woo
21:24 / 29.03.03
Agreed - family stuff is irreplaceable. With the rest, look for stuff that you won't be able to buy again, because it's no longer available. I'm not a great example, because I tend to leave things with friends when I travel (a box of CDs here, a crate of videos there) rather than ditching it completely. Ironically, that turned out to be a great way to weed down my collection, albeit involuntarily - the last time I did a major travel, I came back to discover that half my stuff had been ripped off during parties, or sold by the people hanging onto it for me.

Which isn't the best lead-in, I'll admit.... but if you need to store a box or two with me over the summer, I'd be happy to help.
 
 
Olulabelle
22:41 / 29.03.03
Or you could be like the artist Michael Landy, who systematically destroyed every single thing he owned (including his previous work) and was left just with his grilfriend and his cat.

How he cleaned his teeth, I've no idea.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
22:47 / 29.03.03
sell the C64 on ebay for a few hundred

*laughs*
 
 
gergsnickle
22:53 / 29.03.03
The question is what to do with your cats? I'm in the same position; my opinion: hang onto whatever stuff you think you want, store it with friends, family or, um, in storage... but what about the cats, who require your nearly constant attention? Are you taking them with you? Leaving them with someone? What?
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
00:18 / 30.03.03
im not kidding man, that things gotta be a collectors item to somebody, i have seen trs80s go for almost 1000 bucks at auction...
 
 
moriarty
00:38 / 30.03.03
I had considered selling the C64 on ebay, but after checking comparisons to other auctions, I figured I would be better off not bothering. There's a good chance that I will hold onto the C64 (sans printer), because it really doesn't take up too much space and all I have in the way of video games is that and the original NES. If I ever get rid of it, I will keep all my discs, including Lode Runner, Montezuma's Revenge, and my first novel, a Conan adventure.

The cats will be a-ok. Their mom (my ex) has agreed to take them for the summer if I have to leave. There is no one I trust more to take care of them. It's funny, the cats are the reason I'm entrusted with the family heirlooms, including the elderly family dog a few years back. Everyone knows that I've settled right down and won't be going anywhere for too long because of the kitties. It was a tough decision, but I love them enough to end my wandering ways.
 
 
Baz Auckland
00:55 / 30.03.03
I've been talking about this all weekend with my siblings. My sister won a $500 gift card at Sears, but we've been at a loss at what to get, since we don't want anything really. I want to stay as mobile as possible, so appliances and pots and bedding just seems silly. (and Sears in Canada doesn't seem to sell movies, Game Cubes, CDs, toys, etc.)

It helps that I have a big family house to stick all my excess books and souveniers in I guess. I probably would have ditched my Sandman/Hellblazer collection and other piles of papers by now otherwise. I hate to clear out my old things, but if my parents ever move I'll be forced to.

Actually, I know one day it will be impossible whether to decide whether to sell my parent's lovely old house and everything inside over having to deal with owning a house.

If you're passing through Southern Ontario ever, I can act as a caretaker for your comics and videos for the next couple of years if you like.
 
 
Persephone
02:03 / 30.03.03
What timing, this thread. I'm just home from helping my sister move into her new house.

Well, the story actually begins when I went away to college & you know that wasn't, like, last week for me. So when I went away to college I got two pink towels, my own towels. And I've had these towels ever since --how long is that, like eighteen years. They got threadbare over the years and all gone around the edges. And so I finally cut them up into eight little pink rags, about a month ago.

I brought those rags to help clean my sister's house today. And I think my brother-in-law threw them away, all I have left are the two that I let hang to dry in the bathroom. I looked everywhere for them.

And I'm crushed. Over rags.

I'm going to bed now to cry about my rags.
 
 
pointless and uncalled for
06:24 / 30.03.03
You need to be a lot more draconian about this.

Having recently returned from a 3.5 years in Canada I was greeted by my family bearing boxes of stuff that I had left with them over the years. As I went through the boxes I found that many items left me thinking, "what the hell did I keep this for" and subsequently junked a large amount of stuff. (My mother assures me that some of the stuff has generated a decent bit of revenue for the good folk at Oxfam)

There is some stuff that I'm glad I kept and subsequently has made it's place onto my retain indefinitely list.

If you can't bring yourself to ditch the stuff now, take the break, go to Ireland and, when you get back, you'll know what you do and do not really need to keep. It'll be the things that really justify the storage costs.

I think one of the main things is that I'm a much different person than when I left so many years ago and what I find important in life has changed.
 
 
rizla mission
09:34 / 30.03.03
This thread is frigthening.

At present I'd rather die than part company with my ever-growing hoard of cool stuff.

But I guess I'll probably be going to some places in next few years where dragging around dozens of crates full of recorded-off-TV videos, science fiction paperbacks and comics might not be very convenient.

Maybe I should set myself up as a kind of lending library for weirdos?
 
 
that
09:47 / 30.03.03
I'll feel so fucking liberated when I move out and leave most of my junk behind next year - I've always been a hoarder, mostly of paper, but recently I've been making an effort. I reckon that if I never look at it, what good will it do me? However, most of it will probably remain in the family house until my parents move. I'm already selling off most of my books and a few CDs, but reading this thread last night I realised I have quite a bit of stuff that I won't be leaving behind - a few SF and fantasy paperbacks, a few favourite novels and my magic books, all my cds, my magic gear, my sex toy collection (which mostly fits in a weekend bag, apart from the crop and the hefty leg-spreaders), a few ornamenty things I really like, clothes, my stereo, a laptop that I plan to buy (eek). Fortunately I can leave my anthropology books at home for future reference. It's much easier when one's family is able to store stuff...good luck, moriarty.
 
 
moriarty
18:01 / 30.03.03
"If you're passing through Southern Ontario ever, I can act as a caretaker for your comics and videos for the next couple of years if you like."

Passing through? I am Southern Ontario. I'm surprised it hasn't slid into the Great Lakes since I left.

Every year my mom gets me and my brothers what we like to call "identi-gifts", the exact same gifts so that no one feels left out. One of those gifts is always some huge, expensive thing, even though we've been telling her for years to just spend the money on herself.

Gifts! Gifts are the worst. I have so much trouble chucking stuff that people put effort into finding for me. I have a videotape of Leprechaun 4 : Leprechaun in Space that a friend who I may never see again gave me. And I can replace it for $7 on dvd. What to do?

Potus, I lived in Glasgow for awhile and got rid of most of my stuff before leaving. When I came back I was so broke I lived with a roommate in a bachelor apartment and all our junk. Now the years have gone by and I keep living in bigger and bigger places, and accumulating more stuff. Since it's unlikely I'll be going anywhere soon, I'm trying to make like I'm going on a trip and get rid of most everything.

I had a friend in high school who practised "urban peasantry". She had nothing but her schoolbooks and a bike. Washed her clothes in the sink and made all her meals from scratch. Got books from the library. No tv, stereo, computer, or anything. Used candlelight as much as possible. Never bought new clothes, only material to make them or mend the old clothes. Honestly, I've considered it.

I have this really amazing library of classic comics, including over a hundred Peanuts books. It took me a long time to put it all together. But I think back to the days when I didn't have these things, and how I was just fine without them. In fact, because I didn't have to worry about my stuff and where to store it, I felt somewhat liberated. Also, thinking about the "urban peasant" I mentioned above, at those times that I had the least stuff I was more aware of my surroundings, my friends and the other things that should be most important to me. I only had myself to rely on.

I think I'm going to trade everything for some watercolours and magic beans, carry the kitties to the park in my backpack and take it easy.
 
 
Baz Auckland
18:23 / 30.03.03
That sounds like a good plan. Maybe hike up into the escarpment and live on a mountain with the kittens, dispensing wisdom to hikers in exchange for provisions. Wow. That sounds fun.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
18:31 / 30.03.03
Can you not just give some of your non-essential gear to friends who'd get the same joy out of it? Got to be better than throwing it away or selling it all for a couple of quid.
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
02:34 / 31.03.03
I did that at my farewell. Buy Rothkoid beer! Get dodgy CD in exchange! Even if they threw them out afterwards (which, for everything except the german Smurf CD, is highly likely) at least there was the one-two hit of an unexpected present and some cheesy goodness.

But I dunno how to whittle my stuff down. I brought eleven boxes of crap BACK from the UK with me, remember...
 
 
pointless and uncalled for
05:51 / 31.03.03
How about this for a space conservation program. Get all of the videos, CDs and books that will never be watched, listened to or read again. Take photographs of the covers and then sell the lot. If you feel that this has left you somewhat shortchanged on the deal then you can always line up the photographs in exactly the same manner as you had the original items and you'll never notice the difference.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
08:32 / 31.03.03
I've still got that CD that Roth gave me, when I listened to it it was perfectly passable rock. Must dig it out and listen again, if only to laugh at the silly haircuts of the band on the sleeve.

When I was at uni I started buying music papers regularly, and after three years went through the pile and cut out the stuff I still wanted. Over the next few years I was buying stuff less regularly, but after a pile had developed I would go through, cut the stuff out and put it in the file, throw the rest away. Before moving to my current place I threw away several huge files of stuff I'd hardly ever looked at since buying it sometime in the previous six years. What a relief (unfortunately, did throw some stuff away that I did still want to keep and refer to, but oh well).

I don't think I'm quite that bad, I've got better at throwing the truly useless tat away, but I still tend to hoard videos, books, CDs that I probably won't read again rather than donate them to a charity shop. At the moment I'm buying the Babylon 5 DVDs so have to find a new home for the videos, but am rather half-hearted about the whole affair.

Do we need to restart the Barbelith Multi-Coloured Swap-Shop again?
 
 
that
09:22 / 31.03.03
I was thinking along those lines, too...
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
09:46 / 31.03.03
Yep. I've got fucking boxes of CDs...
 
 
Char Aina
10:07 / 31.03.03
yeah, man.

who wants limp bizkit?
 
 
Quantum
10:08 / 31.03.03
SWAP SHOP YAY!
A friend of mine had a great idea- rather than store his stuff he donated the crap to charity, and lent the good stuff to his friends. He went travelling for a year, came back and got 75% of his stuff back -and his friends thanked him.
It's a small tithe to pay for free storage, and keeps your friends happy, and gives your stuff a holiday!
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
12:16 / 31.03.03
Yeah, friend of mine's just done this. Hence the fact I'm posting from home on newly-acquired PC, and will later be lolling on comfy sofa. He was pretty minimal to start with, admittedly, but he easilyfound homes for all the good furniture/kitchen kit/music gear that there would have been no point selling.

Apparently we're giving it all back in a year or so...

I'm a stuff person, bigtime. I threw out alot when I moved into my last place as it was tiny, but this one's about twice the size and the schtuff is creeping back in. Added to which a couple of people moving/leaving and gifting me stuff... I'm pretty settled so it's cool for now, but moving will be a nightmare. My friends hate me and I have to bribe them with beer and curry.
 
 
grant
18:30 / 31.03.03
Maybe I should set myself up as a kind of lending library for weirdos?

The eternal dream.


sigh.


moriarty: get shovel, find remote lot, beginning digging. line the hole with garbage bags. obtain as many footlockers as necessary.

you'll never need to worry about storage again. and your upper body strength will improve significantly.
 
 
cusm
18:44 / 31.03.03
I do know what it is to have too much stuff. I'm a horrible packrat. I still have concert t-shirts from the 80s that I refuse to give up, dispite the best efforts of my wife. She's just as bad, and I only need mention the casettes of hair metal to get her to back off. Worse, we collect things. I used to be really in to CCGs a ways back, and though I don't play anymore, have several crates fo the fuckers taking up space. And no, I will not sell my Black Lotus on ebay, dammit. Moving has been progresively more painful each time, with the last taking 10 hours and injuring several helpers. Though at last, we've found a soulution in buying a house with enough storage for all our crap. It just has to hold out from burying us until we croak so our kids will have the chore of having to go through the lot.
 
 
Olulabelle
19:29 / 31.03.03
It's interesting that this discussion should come up now. A few days ago I found myself in my car having left an entire house containing six and a half years worth of acumulated belongings with just the following:

My computer (obviously)
4 large canvases
A box of assorted paints
Two (admittedly quite large) bags of clothes
A box of assorted toiletries
About ten CD's
About twenty books
Three journals
A few photographs

Out of a house *full* of things, and with four hours to pack, these were the only items I felt it was critical to take. (I feel at this point I should add in fairness that I have since been back and collected three pairs of shoes, my passport, a free ticket to anywhere in the world - courtesy of Virgin for being bumped off a flight, my easel, two sketchbooks and, randomly, a six pack of diet coke.)

I guess the point of my list is this: we think we can't survive without owning stuff and collect belongings like the shops will all be empty tomorrow. But when faced with a decision about what we actually have to have in order to still live our life, I think we find we actually *need* very little indeed.

Like a car full. Or so...
 
 
pomegranate
20:33 / 01.04.03
A good rule of thumb, they say, is that every time you get something new, you have to get rid of something just like it. i.e. for every new record you ditch one.
Who in hell does this? And if you do this from the start, won't you just only have one record, pair of shoes, book, etc?
The worst thing is, I've gotten rid of things I now wish I hadn't. And that's what haunts me when I try to declutter. It's terrible.
 
 
Olulabelle
20:35 / 01.04.03
Have nothing in your houses that you do not know to be useful or believe to be beautiful.

William Morris
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
22:01 / 01.04.03
Ha.

"have as much stuff as your friends will carry from place to place"

BiP.
 
 
Quantum
09:26 / 03.04.03
'Throw everything away except books' my Mum
 
 
moriarty
00:05 / 12.04.03
Yeah, well I'm throwing away the books, too.

Warning. Rant ahead.

I had a job interview at the beginning of the week. This was for a job as a shipper/receiver of textbooks, something which I have years of experince with. They were hiring three people for the job, and were looking for students from the college, of which very few would likely be staying for the summer. Not only do I probably have more experience than most people who applied, but my interview was the second best I have ever had.

They promised they would call sometime this week, regardless of the answer, and I started making plans to stay in the city. Since the money was going to be good, I was even going to move into a regular ol' apartment instead of a sublet, the easier to make the transition into the Fall.

Bet you know where this is going, don't you? The bastards didn't even call me. I had to call them.

So, I'm in panic mode. I've passed out hundreds of resumes and no one is biting. I have no place to live for May. I'm not sure if I'll be able to rent a van, largely because I have no credit card, but also because it will be the end of school and they're probably all taken already. No one will rent the other room from me. I have to find somewhere to store stuff. I am eligible for various unemployment programs, but it has taken me one month to set up my first interview, and will take another month until a decision is made, and another month until I can start on a program, by which time it will be too late.

I have moved around so much that I know no one in a professional capacity that can sign my passport application, so getting to Ireland won't happen until sometime in the middle of summer, by which point it will be useless.

I'll have to drive 300 km one way to drop off the cats at their mom's because I don't know where I'm going but it probably won't allow cats, 200 km another way to pick up my brother if I want to have someone to help me move, 400 km another way to deliver a grandfather clock I sold for my mom, and all in the span of two days. I have to buy gas for all that travelling. I would love to give my stuff to friends or family, but they all live at least 500 km away from me and all my other stops. Life in Canada.

And I have school, which takes up nearly every waking hour and is twice as stressful as the above.

The funny thing is, this isn't even close to as hard as it's ever become. I know I'll get through this, but it's time to make a sacrifice. I am getting rid of all of it. I was panicking and saw a Gary Panter comic and an Alan Watts book lying around and something clicked. Only items of the most personal nature and stuff devoted to my studies will remain. Everything is getting chucked. CDs, books, comics, you name it. Gone. I don't know where it's all going. I really wish that I could send some of this stuff to Barbelith folk, but I have neither the money or the time.

OK. I feel better. Whew. Thanks Barbelith!
 
 
rizla mission
09:41 / 12.04.03
You have my deepest sympathies, moriarty. That sound like an absolutely hellish situation.

I think I'd be constructing a makeshift cabin out of Dr. Who videos rather than ditching my stuff..
 
  
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