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Mister Six, whom all the girls
19:22 / 28.03.03
Hey guys. You're good at this (esp Jack Fear). Can you help me with a couple of facts that are pro-war? The big one I'm encountering is that Russia, France and China depend on the oil in Iraq and that is why they protested. Also, what is the story with the bids to rebuild Iraq after the war? I recall that Cheney was the former CEO of the company that plans to open a nice galleria and Fudruckers there, but what's the full story?

In short, what are the best arguments so far to people who think protesters are crazy (let's assume these people are reasonable).

Thanks for any help and if this is pointless, just disregard.
 
 
Ganesh
21:01 / 28.03.03
Halliburton is the name of Cheney's old company; stick it in Google News and there'll be a load of stories on it...
 
 
Mystery Gypt
21:02 / 28.03.03
thought this was going to be a thread about trepination, but anyway... check out this thread ("Ways Bush Profits From the War") for more on Cheney's company, named Halliburton, which was just awarded an Iraqi rebuilding contract, etc.
 
 
grant
04:03 / 29.03.03
I don't know about France, but I think Russia and China have their own reserves.

Here, Russia's the second biggest oil exporter after Saudi Arabia. They don't have as much oil as Iraq, but they've got a fair chunk. I'd be really surprised if France wasn't one of their markets.

China doesn't have quite so much. Actually (and this sort of surprises me) they've been a net *importer* of oil since 1996. On the other hand,
China National Petroleum, PetroChina and China National Offshore Oil have stakes in projects in Sudan, Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan, Australia, Indonesia and Myanmar.

China is also in talks with neighbouring Russia to build a $1.7 billion oil pipeline that could start up in 2005.


Apparently, there's some oil under Tibet.
And there may be quite a few other sources, too.
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
13:24 / 29.03.03
France and Russia certainly did have unofficially official oil deals with Iraq, but that's not really all that important - it's not a reason to invade the place, and just because those nations may have selfish reasons to be against the war is not a reason to be for it. I have selfish reasons to be against the war, to whit, it's futile and will make matters worse (for me), it won't stop terrorism or (as far as I can see) diminish the risk of terror groups getting their hands on WMD, which, in Scott Ritter's opinion as expressed in his latest handbook on this dumbass war, the Iraqis probably don't have.

For stuff by Ritter (who is both a former Marine and Weapons Inspector) go to Amazon - the latest is 'War On Iraq'.

Try John Pilger and George Monbiot for further good stuff.

You could quote US Senator John Byrd if anyone questions your 'patriotism', and John Brady Kiesling - a US diplomat who has served around the world, and is accounted an expert - if anyone goes after your opinions as naive. Kiesling is not alone - as you can see. It's also worth pointing out that Harlan Ullman, the originator of 'shock and awe' went on record on the March 26th edition of the BBC's 'The Moral Maze' radio show, saying that he was not in favour of the war and also that what was happening was not what he had proposed when he propounded the doctrine.

More similar to be found via Circulars - and just about everywhere else.
 
 
Francine I
19:12 / 29.03.03
Nick.

You're cool.

Thanks for the info.
 
 
Mister Six, whom all the girls
15:34 / 31.03.03
Thanks, lads. Now I'm gonna really clobber my mom with facts!!
 
  
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