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Lucid Dreaming - Getting Started

 
 
Cailín
01:57 / 28.03.03
I don't think I have ever posted in here, but rumour has it that if I do, I may be able to gain some useful advice on lucid dreaming. The scenario is very simple - I am currently living a high stress life, with no chance of relief from any of it for at least a full year (very heavy work load at university learning to be an architect coupled with dozens of project due dates, worrying about staying afloat financially and paying off the student loans I've acquired, starting a new job in a few weeks, a multitude of health problems - most obviously remissive cancer that could, of course, come back, etc). Anyway, I have horrible nightmares about all of these things, and frequently start awake believing that my life has just fallen apart, because the dreams are so vivid - as a matter of fact, this is how I woke up this morning. And I can't seem to recognise that I'm dreaming, let alone take control of the situation. I know it's possible for me, because years ago I became aware I was dreaming seemingly accidentally - but it hasn't happened since. So, can anyone help me out with some techniques or tricks or something to gain control of this?
 
 
Quantum
10:18 / 28.03.03
Welcome! Here's a useful metalink... Lucid dreaming sites to read
But I am sure several more experienced Dreamers than myself will be along shortly to give you top tips.
The best I know is to double check you are awake every now and again habitually- the trick is getting cues to remind you. Mine is from 'Waking Life' by Linklater, turning a light on and off. If the light doesn't change, you're probably dreaming. Good luck!
 
 
Bear
11:36 / 28.03.03
Boy it's all about lucid dreaming this week for me...

Cailín if you can train your brain to realise that these sort of experiences mean your dream it may trigger a lucid dream.

There are looooots of different methods of achieving lucid dreaming, some of the more popular ones are checking your watch lots of time during the day if you do this enough eventually you'll check your watch when your dreaming and notice that in your dreams time is a little bit funny the numbers will jump around - same thing happens if you try to read in a dream more often than not the words will jump around and swap places.

One of the most common methods is to ask yourself throughout the day if your dreaming, look around you and think what would things look like if you were actually dreaming.

Other things, light switches won't work in dreams (your sleeping brain can't handle the fast changes in light/vision) so if you see a light switch flick it a couple of times, if nothing happens there's a good chance your dreaming...

Also another technique is to ask yourself how you got here, I mean I'm sitting at work now at my desk and I can remember leaving the pub and walking here to work, in dreams you often jump from location to location and if you can't remember how you got there it's another sign that your asleep...

Hope that's a help - weird that this thread's came up now was talking about lucid dreaming the other day and also last night I had another obvious sign last night, one of my teeth fell out and then I went on to have a dream that I was awake complaining that I didn't realise I was dreaming - doh!

Hope your bad dreams stop, all it takes is a little time - right people?

Oh yeah and I just watched Waking Life the other night (I know some Barbeloids didn't like it) but there's some stuff on lucid dreaming in the movie...
 
 
Warewullf
12:30 / 28.03.03
Try these threads:
Thread 1
Thread 2
Thread 3

Stick with it, it's well worth the effort.
 
 
Lullaboozler
12:46 / 28.03.03
I can testify that the 'Am I dreaming?' questioning works. I found myself walking along a street recently and asked myself if I was dreaming. It turned out I was. First thing I did was to do the 'look at your hands' trick, which grounded my consciousness well and truly in the dream.

Then I simply willed I could fly...

Fantastic.
 
 
Olulabelle
15:42 / 28.03.03
Hello Cailin, welcome to the board.

I think lucid dreaming is a skill anyone can master, and this is obviously the week for discussion on the subject because I have been talking about it all week with another member of the board. I PM'd them some advice which I am going to basically repeat here, I hope they don't mind.

Here:

My advice for would-be dreamers is easy. Practice, practice, practice and then practice some more. First practice dream recall - keep a journal and write in it the minute you wake up. Even if it's 3.43am. even if you can only remember fragments. if you can't remember anything at all STOP SMOKING GEAR, it fucks up your recall completely. Truly, it does. (One of the few sad things about being a lucid dreamer.) And if you really, really can't remember anything, write down the things that do come into your head. If you're doing it immediately on waking chances are they'll be things related to your dream anyway. Try really hard not to move before you begin writing, lie in exactly the same position as you were in when you woke, just reach for your journal. For some reason movement damages recall.

Once you are regularly writing dreams, begin checking all the time if you are dreaming in your waking life. Ask yourself am I dreaming? ALL THE TIME. You could write it on your hand to remind you. Dreams contain habits, and if you have a habit IRL to do something it will transfer to your dream.

Some people find setting a signifier helps, for example everytime you see a window, ask yourself, 'am I dreaming?' (More on this in a minute.)

Memory is crucial to any kind of dream skill. You have to learn to:

Remember your dreams.
Remember to carry out your intentions.
Remember that you are dreaming.

These are important things to be able to do in lucid dreaming, and whilst they take a bit of time to learn, a well-practiced memory adds significantly to your ability to do them.

Prospective Memory Training is a valuable exercise developed by a man called Dr. Stephen LaBerge who is an expert/God on dreaming. You need to do it over a week. Each day, you have a list of specific things to notice which are everyday occurrences, like seeing your pet. At the beginning of the day, memorize the day's things. (The list of things is below.) The point of the exercise is to recognize the situation when it occurs and perform a sort of test. You do this test simply by asking yourself 'Am I dreaming?' Look around for dreamsigns, (clocks that change time when you look and then look back for example) think about it, and answer the question logically. If you remember to ask yourself this question when the event occurs, you have made a 'hit'. If you forget to ask yourself this question when the event occurs, it is a 'miss'. Keep track of how many you hit during the day, and how many you missed. and keep doing the exercise until you have improved your ability to hit these targets.

Daily Things to notice:

SUNDAY:
The next time I see a pet or animal.
The next time I look at my face in the mirror.
The next time I turn on a light.

MONDAY:
The next time I write anything down.
The next time I feel pain.
The next time I hear my name spoken.

TUESDAY:
The next time I see a traffic light.
The next time I laugh.
The next time I hear music.

WEDNESDAY:
The next time I eat a vegetable.
The next time I see a red car.
The next time I turn on a television.

THURSDAY:
The next time I hear a phone ring.
The next time I check the time.
The next time I read something other than this list.

FRIDAY:
The next time I see the stars.
The next time I use a toilet after noon.
The next time I open a closed door.

SATURDAY:
The next time I watch a commercial.
The next time I run.
The next time I unlock something.

Another thing I found that helped when I was learning is to know 'why' you want to lucid dream. is it to learn more about yourself? Is it because you want to push boundaries? is it simply because you want to shag a film star and remember? ;-) it doesn't matter what your reason is as long as it's clear in your own head. Having a goal seems to make the practice seem simpler and lucidity comes more quickly.

Once you can do it, don't be disappointed if when you are in dream and you realise you are dreaming, that you snap out of the dream instantly and wake up. Suprising your mind by being aware in the subconsious sends the brain VERY confusing signals which to begin with, it can't deal with. Don't worry, you'll stay in the dreaming longer and longer the more you do it.

So I hope this example of how to prepare for Lucid dreaming helps a bit, it's is a wonderful experience, and I can't recommend it highly enough. I'll be interested to know how you get on.
 
 
Olulabelle
16:34 / 28.03.03
Another point: since the goal of lucid dreaming is to become aware while dreaming, developing your personal skills of awareness (about yourself and your dreams) whilst you are awake is vital if you want to develop awareness in your dreams

Dreamsign recording can help you do this. A dreamsign is a peculiar event or object in a dream that can be used as an indicator that you are dreaming (Lynne Levitan, A Thousand and One Nights of Lucid Dreaming) Developing awareness of these is an easy exercise which is based on the main things that make you become lucid in your dreams, in other words a signal to you in a dream. For instance, if a green rabbit walked in your house right now, you might assume that you are dreaming; the green rabbit would be considered a dreamsign.

However, usually people don't often recognise things as being unusual in their dreams. Back to the rabbit again: if you were in a dream right now and you saw a green rabbit you wouldn't be surprised. But if you read your dreams and find the dreamsigns that you've previously had, you will become aware of the typical signs and next time you'll more easily recognize them.

There are four main categories of dreamsigns as developed by Dr. Stephen LaBerge:
Action - You, another dream character, or thing does something unusual or impossible in waking life.
Context - The place or situation in the dream is strange.
Form - You, another character, or thing changes shape, or is oddly formed /transforms.
Awareness - A peculiar thought, a strong emotion, an unusual sensation, or altered perceptions.


After you have written down a dream in your journal, go back and read it again. See which unusual things or occurrences in it could have given you a clue that you were dreaming. Then try to put these signs in one of the four dreamsign categories, outlined above. If you mark the signs in different colours, it's much easier to look back and see which signs occur most often.

Also, if you want to be really anally retentive about it, like me ;-) you can make a chart with all the signs in. I found this helped me to be more aware of my dreamsigns, but also it helps you to see which type of dreamsign most often might cause you to gain lucidity.
 
 
Cailín
22:51 / 28.03.03
Thanks a lot. It's a lot to absorb, so I think I'll just have to make a list of the techniques offered and try to do as many as I can handle. Hopefully, I'll get the hang of it, and get the nightmares under control - taking control of my dreams sounds nice, but I'd settle for just being able to recognise I'm dreaming and wake up.
 
 
Warewullf
11:28 / 29.03.03
The one thing you have to do is keep a dream journal. It's importance cannot be overstated.
 
 
fidrich
21:58 / 29.03.03
The strange thing about some of my dreams is that I can remember, at one point during them, thinking "Oh, it's okay, I'm only dreaming. I can get out if I want to," and immediatley disregarding this thought - like the green rabbit oluabelle mentioned.

One example was a dream I had where I was in a hybrid of Glasgow City Center and a, y'know, "ye olde towne", being chased by a man with an axe. At one point I turned to him and said, "if I let you hit me with this axe, will I become lucid?" He told me I would, so I consented to being chopped in half. Immediatley after, the dream simply started again, me none the wiser...

For one thing, the fact that I was able to ask "will I become lucid" would suggest that I was lucid - to a small degree at least. Why didn't I just jump up and fly away, or whatever? And yet the whole experience was *very* dream-like, I was not in control at all. I'm usually not even really in control when I force myself to wake up from nightmares.

Ach. Just need more practice I guess.

-fid
 
 
Warewullf
23:40 / 29.03.03
I've reached a point where I've started to have dreams about lucid dreams.

It's like I'm dreaming I'm lucid. But I'm not. It's just a dream. Odd.
 
 
Sebastian
00:00 / 30.03.03
I have experienced both fidrich's and Warewulf's (frustrating?) experiences just as they are described above. What seems to work for me most of the times in dreams is to program myself to do something specific, or meet someone, visit some place, or find about something I am interested in, but the matter of myself dreaming is completely irrelevant, no matter I am either told or figure it out myself.

Maybe its because I am not expecting much of the whole thing about "I am dreaming. wow.".
 
 
PatrickMM
21:07 / 30.06.03
I've been attempting to lucid dream for a while, but a couple weeks ago, I got the discipline to start a dream journal, and it feels like I've been getting closer to lucid dreaming. However, I haven't been able to make the full break through yet.

I usually reach a point where I will realize that I'm dreaming, but it's like I'm not a character in the dream, I'm just watching events that don't involve me from a third person perspective. And, sometimes I'll know it's a dream, but I think I've actually woken up, and am trying to recreate the scenairio in my mind. I've been doing reality checks and keeping a journal, but does anyone have suggestions for how to actually go into the lucid state when you know it's a dream, but seem to be losing it?
 
 
Queen Mob
09:04 / 20.08.04
Hello - i know this thread is very old, more than one year. But i didn't want to start a new one, and i simply have to share my experience. I also read a few of the messages in older lucid dreaming threads and was very freaked out how many experiences are common with mine.

Ok, funny thing was - i didnt know anything about lucid dreaming when i had the first one - the first one started after i ate a cookie in the evening.

However, from this moment on i bégan to inform myself about this topic. And I began to just love it. The thoght of being god in your own reality is just hilirious. I went on with the "look on your hands" trick, i worked a few times, only the dream reality started to dissolve at the beginning. After some while i managed to look at the hands as if it was normal.

The strongest of all lucid dreams i had was just the best dream experience i aver had. I was dreaming some shit, not so interesting. however, in my dream i wrote the word "lucid" in a book. Suddenly i was in a room that was full of electrical stuff, like the room of an electrican (is this the right word..?). I could see the room very clearly and the important thing: I managed to STAY ther by my own will because I wanted to know wath is room was about. In the corner, on a desk, ther was sitting a man who was working on something - on his desk was a lamp which was spending him light. I looked in that light and desided to take this light as a fix point and a help if the dream would begin to dissolve. I went to taht guy and asked him "What are you woring on?" He looked at my in a state of confusion, and i knew this dream character was confused to getting asked that question. I was afraid he wouldnt answer at all...but he opened the mouth and said "On..on..on...Heliospan." I repeated "Heliospan?" He said "Heliospan!" I had no idea what this was and he told me to watch a DVD So i did, and it was some presentation about a wonderful new invention i invented, and i couldnt really hear what it was, just the name: Heliospna. Then I became aware taht i have been in this dream for such a long time, and i decided to wake up (thats also a point that suprised me - that some of you had the same experience of fear of not waking up or feeling that the have been in the dream for such a long time) and i woke up in another dream and run around in happyness and screamd that now i knew that dreams are more than i used to think they are...
however.-..the best dream experience i aver had and i just had to share it. From now on I try to train to cause a lucid dream on purpose...Please share more of your experiences...i just love to read other ones.
 
  
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