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I think Nietzsche just saved my life

 
 
Icicle
11:33 / 27.03.03
I wasn't sure whether to put this thread, but it's about a book so I hope this is the right place.
I have just finished reading Nietzsche The Use and Abuse of History for Life and I can’t remember ever having read a book that has made as much impact on me as this one. Has anyone ever read it?
Nietzsche goes on about how, history, and all the knowledge it contains should only be used for inspiring actions, not for knowledge per se. He argues that the trouble with modern society is that knowledge is valued for it’s own sake, people are ‘walking encyclopedias’, completely out of touch with what it is to be human. The value we place on knowledge is making us conform to the past, and other people’s second hand thoughts, when we should be making up our own.
Culture is fake and insincere, a sphere totally apart from life, people just criticise the creators, without actually reacting in an emotional way to the art, without truly experiencing it, there only reaction is to rip it apart, disect it. Desctruct rather than construct. Nietzsche says it’s terrible that knowledge is valued over life when knowledge should only be used to make us act in life. Nietzsche puts an emphasis on man being a creative being, knowledge he thinks should only be used for us to create.
Humans are ignoring their true nature and ‘The striving for the denial of the individual will is...more foolish than suicide’.
I really felt like there was something true about what Nietzsche was saying, I’ve been thinking that there’s this ‘self’ inside of me , I think I was when I was a child, a free self, that type of person I feel like I am when I’m walking along a beach, on holiday etc, and that I’ve lost touch with them. Perhaps that was what it was to be truly alive. When people talk about going travelling to ‘find themselves’ I cringe, I always used to think they weren’t finding themselves but finding their favourite self, a happy holiday self that they wanted to be all year round. But now I’m starting to think there’s some truth in it. Perhaps we have lost touch with our natural selves. I’ve lived in a city all my life, but I’ve had feelings of being out of touch with nature for a long time, feelings I’ve just been dismissing as some stupid hippyish inclinations, but now I’m starting to wonder if there truely is a more natural self that it would be better to be.
 
 
Jub
15:35 / 28.03.03
Hmmm, Icicle.

I'll grant you Nietzsche is skilled in the use of rhetoric, and you can tell from readin he passionately believes in the things he espouses.

Now I haven't read the book you;re on about for some time, but as with much of his work, it relies on the power of persuasion rather than logic. He celebrates the sefl, and the freedom to express this self, but without the responsibility that goes with that. The only responsibilty he seems to acknowledge is the responsibilty to be true to yourself.

He doesn't mean this in any altruistic way. He asks in one book, "why blame a hawk for being a hawk" as opposed to the meek herd mentality, saying that one should rise above and empower yourself.

While this is all fine and dandy, one has to remember that in so doing you are shitting on the others, and that simply isn't nice.

The thing about history and culture etc is a mistake; in so far as experience makes us wise, and without this wisdom we would have no good judgement, to know what was good for us and what was bad. History and culture is a sum experience; and as such we should not ignore it.
 
 
Icicle
14:11 / 29.03.03
I get what you mean but I don't think the book was about people being selfish, I mean the fact that he wrote the book in the first place, to persuade and empower people was an altruistic act showing them a way that enables them to be happier. The book wasn't just discussing things on the individual level, but that society as a whole would be better off if people were more like Nietzsche says they should be.
I think that Nietzshce's point about using knowledge for the sake of acting is important. I can say that I thought the book was brilliant but that doesn't mean I'm justifying Nietzsche's stance on everything ( apart from one short essay I haven't read any other Nietzsche. I take what I want from the book in order to act, I do not have to take on board the stuff that isn't necessary for my actions. What I take from the book is it's ability to empower me, but I won't behave as Nietzsche says to completely to the letter as then my actions would be pretty reckless. I reckon even he acknowledge that to act completely spontaneously without thinking about the past was impossible, and he didn't say that history was completely useless he said that it's use is to help us act. He didn't want to get rid of culture either, just what he saw as superficial, fake culture, -- 'all form and no substance', and I guess replace it with a more real, 'living' culture.
I don't see that doing what you want and being kind to others as mutually exclusive, it's certainly not in a person's interests to fuck other people over all the time!
 
 
somavee
21:40 / 06.04.03
I know what you mean when you say "I think Nietzsche just saved my life." I felt the same way. I can't really get into right now, because it has been a while for me, but read On the Geneaology of Morals and Human All-to Human. Reading Nietzsche has changed the way I look at everything, and I don't see my new perspective as selfish.
 
  
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