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Radiohead | Hail To The Thief

 
  

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paw
21:15 / 03.04.03
is anyone here apart from flux a little disappointed with this album? while i really like alot of the songs on the album, shivers up the spine even when i first heard some songs, as an album i'm a little disappointed. it really does seem to be o.k computer version 1.1 and well, predictable which of course isn't a bad thing given the quality of the bands song writing but i dunno, to me it's as if kid a and amnesiac hadn't happened, i expect more from them you know? maybe my opinion will change but at the moment...
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
22:30 / 03.04.03
See, I don't think Hail To The Thief could have happened without Kid A/Amnesiac - songs like "Backdrifts" and "The Gloaming" pick up where "Kid A", "Idioteque", and "Pulk/Pull Revolving Doors" left off, "Sail To The Moon" and "We Suck Young Blood" are moving on in the direction of the piano-led songs from Amnesiac. I can't imagine any of these songs fitting in on OK Computer or The Bends. I don't think Radiohead have moved backwards at all, they're just standing still. Instead jumping up to a new height, they're just hanging out on Amnesiac's plateau.

They might just be happy to be themselves for a while. I'd rather that they didn't coast along, but they've totally earned the right to.
 
 
paw
23:31 / 03.04.03
yeah, i can see alot of the songs as a progression from the kind of material on amnesiac and kid a but i guess i was hoping for the kind of musical shift that in my opinion occured between o.k computer and kid a(hence my hasty reference to ok computer in the previous post) a change in direction that made kid a so satisfying and interesting to my ears.
 
 
Professor Silly
14:09 / 05.04.03
Not only has the producer come forward denouncing the leaked tracks...so has their lead guitarist:

"So it turns out the leaked music is a stolen copy of early, unmixed edits and roughs - so we're kind of pissed off about it, to be honest.
I see it like this (this is just me): there's napster-style file sharing of released music, then there's early internet distribution of what we at least consider to be a finished body of work. Then there's this - work we've not finished, being released in this sloppy way, ten weeks before the real version is even available. It doesn't even exist as a record yet.....
"So yes, we're annoyed - the songs are good on the recordings, which you can hear. But we worked on them after this point until we were happy with them.
"This is why we're pissed off - we didn't give up on them in February (which is what you're hearing) and it's just a shame that, to your ears, we did.
"So of course people will still download them and hear them, I can understand the temptation. It's not you lot I'm pissed off about, it's just the situation I guess. It's stolen work, fer fuck's sake.
"That's all. I thankew."


...and their bass player:

"I just wanted to back up what jonny said the other day. We're all unhappy with the wrong mixes from the wrong songs being stuck up on the net. It's like having your house done over half way through having it done up. All the attention is gratifying, but we want it when all our hard work's done and the best it can be. Until then, this is all just unhelpful noise. Wait until you see the final, real, finished album!!!!!"


So don't go all crazy saying what you don't like about this album until it comes out...silly rabbits.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
14:28 / 05.04.03
Well, yes and no.

It's not finished, but almost all of the major recording was complete at the time of the mixes that have been released, and those are indeed the fourteen songs which made the final of the album.

Unless they really did something radical, those songs will only have relatively minor cosmetic differences in their final mix. There may be overdubs, some elements may be mixed differently, but it's all the same 14 songs. The problem that most everyone seems to have is in the songs, and not the recording. They can mix "The Gloaming" however many times they want, but it's never going to make it a better song.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
11:49 / 06.04.03
How about if they gave it a different title?
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
22:39 / 06.04.03
Well, the official version is on Soulseek now too. Go fetch.
 
 
deja_vroom
13:58 / 07.04.03
first impressions: I'm already heart-broken by that passage in "There, There", the first time when Thom sings "Just 'cos you feel it, doesn't mean it's there", twice. Oh man...

"Myxomatosis", what's that riff? Pity that it gets so messed up towards the end. Restraint, dudes, restraint... "Where I End And You Begin" is gorgeous, sad and still uplifting somehow. "We Suck Young Blood" is downright SCARY. Nosferatu-like scary. The bit where Thom sings "Our rivers poisoned", I could see the wasteland, and skinny, pale entities dressed in black (Check the mugwumps in Burrough's "The Naked Lunch") in high towers drinking blood through anteater-like proboscis... Scary-fucking-scary.

Too much self-indulgency in useless droning/pattern repetition in some songs, but that's just my taste. "Punch Up At A Wedding" is unendurable with that woooo wooo wooooeing and backing vocals... "Go To Sleep" doesn't do anything for me. The fact that "The Gloaming" is in this record and "Big Ideas Dont Get Any" makes no sense whatsoever to me. This record is more emotionally engaging than "Amnesiac" and "Kid "A", for sure. An exciting ride.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
14:25 / 07.04.03
"Myxomatosis" = one of the ten best Radiohead songs EVER!
 
 
nedrichards is confused
00:38 / 09.04.03
EVAR surely.
 
 
Professor Silly
14:06 / 15.06.03
Let me start by saying that my computer produces no sound what-so-ever, and therefore I couldn't download and listen to this album before the official release date.

Now that I own a copy, and have listened to it a couple times I'm starting to bond with it. To date it has taken my a good five or six listens to enjoy any of their albums, and yes, that includes OK Computer and The Bends.

I should start by saying the Special Edition packaging really floored me. Not since Idiot Flesh's "Fancy" have I been so impressed by the use of paper to hold a CD.

The first couple listens through the album gave me a distinct experience unlike any I've ever felt. This recording seems so dense and intimidating that I instictively turned my volume down half way, with an end result that (with the exception of We Suck Young Blood and Myxomytosis) all the songs blended into one big sonic thing. After forcing my co-workers at the tattoo shop to listen to it last night (they too had a hard time swallowing it for the first time) I drove home with it cranked up and on random-shuffle. As I pulled into my parking lot Backdrifts came on and blew me away.

I have since realized that in order for me to "get" a Radiohead album I need to listen to it cranked up super-fuckin' loud.

(I'm so looking forward to seeing them again this summer at Red Rocks, called one of the most beautiful outdoor venues in America!)
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
06:53 / 16.06.03
'A Punch-Up At A Wedding' sounds like Crowded House.

There's no excuse for that.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
07:46 / 16.06.03
But it's one of the best on the album!

And surely you mean an EVIL Crowded House?
 
 
nedrichards is confused
12:15 / 16.06.03
You know if you play 'I Will' backwards you get the evil satanic message that is 'Like Spinning Plates'. Or the backing track for it at least. Gah, two great songs from only one instrumentation, damn them.
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
12:56 / 16.06.03
Yeah, because if Neil Finn was Stephen Merritt, it'd all be OK
*rolls eyes*
 
 
weepy_minotaur
05:22 / 03.07.03
in my opinion this is radiohead's best work to date. it's a perfect fusion of all their previous work, and they finally stopped being so damned depressing! ok computer is for the winter, hail to the thief is for the summer. maybe that's due to the fact that this album was recorded in california. i've read a whole bunch of articles/interviews, and they pulled off what they were trying to do with this record.
brilliantly.
 
 
Professor Silly
03:40 / 06.07.03
As I've listened to the album enough and started to unravel the lyrics I've come to the same conclusion--I can easily consider this their best album. I can't wait to hear some of these songs live...especially "There There", "The Gloaming", and "2+2=5." But really, I don't consider any of the songs weak--all fit in nicely to the overall flow.
 
  

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