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Airport security: are the searches random or on you some type of government list?

 
 
Rage
07:13 / 25.03.03
Seems like they're searching all the middle eastern looking people, right along with the rock stars and those who may look or act like them.

They've searched me the past 6 times I've done the flying thing, all of these times after 9/11. (is there a new name for 9/11 yet?) 6 out of 6 is hardly random.

I was wondering if this had to do with my e-ticket and that they serached everyone with an e-ticket or that I'd been to jail and they searched everyone who'd been to jail or that I'm on SSI and that they searched everyone who was on SSI or that I looked like a subversive radical who might blow up a government building and that they searched everyone who looked like a subversive radical who might blow up a government building.

"Or maybe I'm on The List."

But that's just paranoia, right?

What's going on here?
 
 
Cherry Bomb
09:00 / 25.03.03
There are criteria. If you buy a ticket in cash, you'll probably be searched. If you buy a one-way ticket, you'll probaby be searched. If you're traveling abroad and you bought the ticket say, a few days prior to your journey, you'll be searched. I'm sure there is racial profiling going on but I'm not sure if you fit the profile, rage. Maybe?
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
09:00 / 25.03.03
I should think they're nervous as hell and searching anyone who doesn't conform to a kind of basic 'safe' image they carry around in their heads - possibly not even something they know they do. If in real life you're anything like what you are online, you probably don't have the appropriate sheep-like attitude or dress.

This is actully particuarly silly. The Red Army Faction and the PFLP, when terror got its last really good international outing in the seventies, were prone to using very middle class, aryan girls to deliver huge bombs to people who were looking out for beaded Mullahs waving swords.

'Safe' isn't.
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
15:16 / 25.03.03
I flew cross country a few months ago and watched a column of "swarthy" men in sikh turbans and business suits listen to the speech about how they were randomly selected with expressions of weary resignation. I thought they were remarkably gracious about the whole thing, especially considering how brainbendingly obvious it is that no terrorists are going to board a plane wearing fucking turbans. They mostly looked sad and bored, and seemed to regard the security woman with pity. She had that customer service robot voice you get after you've repeated something for the billionth time, that you know is bullshit, because your boss has told you to.
 
 
w1rebaby
16:48 / 25.03.03
Computer Assisted Passenger Pre-Screening

Recently described by a spokesman as being designed to examine whether you are a "solid citizen", to determine whether you can fly or not or get searched. Can access civilian data such as credit records.

I have a feeling that you, Rage, may not fall under the administration's definition of "solid citizen".
 
 
Rage
11:54 / 29.03.03
How does one qualify as a "solid citizen?" The only thing I'm a threat to is the physical boredom of my own eyes, which is why I dress in the way that I do. (narcissism)

The last few times they've searched me I've been pretty cool about it. "I'm one of the chosen ones!" I exclaimed last time. "Lucky me!" The previous time I mentioned something to the effect of "I know you guys are just doing your job and all: but it really feels like I've walked into some type of dystopian movie: know what I mean?"

While having my personal giggles makes things a little better, it still disturbs me that I've scored a 6 out of 6 mark, and would be interested in finding out more about this sketchy operation. That link isn't making very much sense to me.
 
 
betty woo
21:09 / 29.03.03
Are you flying Delta by any chance? They're running a test of the CAPPS II program in March (the Wired article has some really basic info on what it does and how it werks).
 
 
Baz Auckland
15:32 / 03.08.03
Ha!

Washington has admitted the existence of a list, possibly hundreds or even thousands of names long, of people it deems worthy of special scrutiny at airports.

The list had been kept secret until its disclosure last week by the new US agency in charge of aviation safety, the Transportation Security Administration (TSA). And it is entirely separate from the relatively well-publicised "no-fly" list, which covers about 1,000 people believed to have criminal or terrorist ties that could endanger the safety of their fellow passengers.

The strong suspicion of such groups as the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), which is suing the government to try to learn more, is that the second list has been used to target political activists who challenge the government in entirely legal ways. The TSA acknowledged the existence of the list in response to a Freedom of Information Act request concerning two anti-war activists from San Francisco who were stopped and briefly detained at the airport last autumn and told they were on an FBI no-fly list.

The activists, Rebecca Gordon and Jan Adams, work for a small pacifist magazine called War Times and say they have never been arrested, let alone have criminal records. Others who have filed complaints with the ACLU include a left-wing constitutional lawyer who has been strip-searched repeatedly when travelling through US airports, and a 71-year-old nun from Milwaukee who was prevented from flying to Washington to join an anti-government protest.

It is impossible to know for sure who might be on the list, or why. The ACLU says a list kept by security personnel at Oakland airport ran to 88 pages. More than 300 people have been subject to special questioning at San Francisco airport, and another 24 at Oakland, according to police records. In no case does it appear that a wanted criminal was apprehended.
 
 
bjacques
02:47 / 04.08.03
The only way this nonsense will be stopped is when the "good" people or their nearest and dearest get put on it by "mistake." How about a campaign of anonymous denunciations and stitch-ups? Target known supporters of these measures and also ordinary people, like Beth Ehlers of North Carolina, stupid enough to say in public that not getting attacked is worth giving up a little freedom (because it's probably someone else's. It's a nice dream, anyhow.
 
 
Jrod
07:42 / 04.08.03
That's an interesting idea, bjacques.... but how would we do this? Does anybody here know how to get somebody on this list? Any ideas, at least?

Now, I doubt that a few 'innocent' folk getting harrassed constantly while flying is going to stop this rediculous system. However, I'm all for seeing some of these people who don't mind watching civil liberties erode catch a bit of harrassment. I'm also all for run-on sentences, obviously.
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
08:48 / 04.08.03
If I'm not on a government list (at least one) then they are asleep at the wheel and I want my taxes back. I should be. It would almost be worth protesting about: you're spending all this money and you haven't picked me up on your radar? And I'm not even hiding! In that case you haven't got a prayer of catching someone dangerous.

If I could get that on a banner.

I work on this basis when I come to the US (or, actually, most other places):

Always travel looking like a Republican.
Always travel clean.
Always assume you are on the list.


Why? Because it's much less boring and annoying than sitting in an airside lounge at JFK waiting for a lawyer.
 
 
Lionheart
20:13 / 04.08.03
Actually a bunch of innocent people's names already are on the list and there are lawsuits pending and Congress is investigating. I had a bunch of links about this on my live journal. I'll track em down when I'll get home.
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
20:19 / 04.08.03
Oh, dear. Don't tell me: they used the same firm/technique as they did for the 2000 election?
 
  
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