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Olulabelle
14:08 / 23.03.03
Hello Barbelith, this is my very first post.

I have been lurking for a while and I have found a lot of your conversations and threads really inspiring, so firstly, thank you for sharing.

I’ve done a search and I can’t see any threads which have covered the topic of Synaesthesia, so I thought I would start one.

Synaesthesia, from the Greek syn [union] and aisthesis [sensation], is a condition whereby one type of sensory stimulation evokes the sensation of another. I have Synaesthesia, and specifically I am a coloured-hearing Synaesthete, (also known as Chromaesthesia) which basically means I ‘see’ sounds. A good example of this is that when fire engines or ambulances go past me with their sirens on I see huge bright white bursts of light. (And no jokes about the blue flashing lights please!) Also, when dogs bark I see bursting dots of violet blue, and these get bigger or smaller depending on the tone of the bark; Little Westie dogs make pinpoint dots, big Labradors produce much bigger blobs, and so on. I don’t have many Synaesthetic responses when I listen to music although I do with individual instruments such as flutes. In general most of my coloured-hearing is in response to what would be classified as discordant sounds, and I recently discovered I have a particularly vivid response to games arcades...

The most common form of Synaesthesia is letter colour, whereby people see letters as different colours and one theory on the disorder is that as babies we all have it, but most people learn to ‘tune out’ the noise of the other senses. This would explain why when hallucinogenic drugs are taken, Synaesthetic effects are often experienced. Interestingly Synaesthesia is more common amongst people who are left handed, and depending on which study you read women are between three to eight times more likely to be Synaesthetes.

There are some quite good movie representations of what coloured-hearing synaesthetes experience here and if you wish to experience it directly there is a little experiment you can do:

Sit comfortably and press the heels of your hands firmly into your eyelids for about three or four minutes. You will begin to see patterns and colours and starbursts. Whilst you are doing it if you move your pupils around the patterns and colours will move. You can do this in silence, or listen to music.

So anyway, I thought I’d ask if anyone here is a known Synaesthete or has similar experiences, and also maybe it’ll make an interesting thread.

BTW, I hope I've put this in the right place.
 
 
Char Aina
16:30 / 23.03.03
wow!
i never knew about that.(the condition, i mean)
consider me grateful and interested.



concerning where to put it, it is good here, but would work equally well in the Lab.

i dont mind where it goes, but if someone does i am sure they will get it moved.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
17:33 / 23.03.03
I have very mild synaesthesia. I associate numbers with colours and it's quite distracting, the number 2 is red, 0 is like glass, 7 is bright green etc. I always found converting percentages difficult because the colours didn't match up properly. When church bells sound I almost physically see the colour yellow (but not quite). My mother used to play the piano and every key was a different colour but generally sounds don't set me off- just bells, drums and those drills they use on roads... I can't walk past them because I get bursts of red.
 
 
Olulabelle
17:51 / 23.03.03
Drills quite commonly instigate coloured-hearing, and because the noise is so violent the colours follow suit. From discussion with other Synaesthetes, they're about the only thing that makes us wish we didn't have the condition because it's such a sensory overload. But usually I can't imagine life without it.

Another loud example is when my doorbell rings, I see everything as if it was washed with bright red; I see red - literally, not in the angry sense ;-) And conversely, if I look at a large bright red thing like a piece of card, I hear a firework type sound. It would be really interesting to see if similar tones provoke similar colours in people. I'd also like to know if Synaesthesia is at all interest specific; whether creatively driven people are more likely to have the condition or not.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
18:14 / 23.03.03
I love the yellow when bells sound because it makes me feel absolutely calm and right and very myself. An occupational therapist was telling me that most people with synaesthesia relate the same numbers to the same colours but whether that applies to sound and colour is questionable.
 
 
Warewullf
18:24 / 23.03.03
There's a character in Alan Moore's Top Ten comic series called Synesthesia. She has this condition.

I first heard about it in a documentary I watched years ago.
 
 
Char Aina
18:41 / 23.03.03
do you take hallucinogenic or euphoric drugs?

if so, how do they affect such a condition?

what is going to a loud concert/club like?
does this condition make it impossible to listen to music while driving,etc?
 
 
illmatic
18:43 / 23.03.03
I don't have Syntaesthesia, unlucky me I guess, but there is an interesting, if short, chapter on it, in Diane Ackerman's book "A Natural history of the Senses" which is absolutely brilliant, and well-recommmended by the way. The experiment you suggest does remind me of the sort of thing I used to do when I was a kid - perhaps when we're children we're closer to experiencing this sort of sensory blurring and distortion? Shades of Freud's polymorphous peversity? - before we begin to rationalise and head our senses into increasingly narrow paths. I do recall getting an odd kind of visceral pleaure at the way numbers used to add up - 7 + 5 = 12 I always used to find especially pleasing, but am sure this is not what you mean - am drunk so excuse me talking shit.

There are a lot of magick/meditation exercises one can do to accentuate the senses - I can imagine them blurring into each other in states of relaxation. Another book recommendation - Peter Redgrove, Teh Black Goddess & The Sixth Sense, where he makes a lot of the power of our senses in feeding into our unconscious impressions.
And welcome aboard, btw!!
 
 
Baz Auckland
19:14 / 23.03.03
I don't have the condition, although I used to spend hours playing with the green patterns behind my eyes as a kid.

When I play violin, I have a mental picture of the structure of the song, which is kind of neat. Each note corresponds with the finger number (1,2,3,4,0). So it's sort of a mix of numbers and sounds... I'm not really sure what it is, since if I concentrate on it I lose it. I can't bring it into focus, so it's sort of undescribable. But it ends up being a picture of a sound...
 
 
Olulabelle
19:57 / 23.03.03
I wrote my dissertation on this 8 years ago, and at the time there were 3 articles in the British library on it, and a book by Oliver Sacks, The Man who Mistook his Wife for a Hat and that was it in the way of research. These days there is a lot more, and new strains of the disorder (I hate calling it that) are coming to light. There is tasting sounds, and hearing taste, and all sorts of really confusing ones!

The main crtieria for whether or not you have it are as follows:

1/ the sensations are involuntary: they can not be surpressed or incurred, though the intensity is influenced by the situation they occur in.
2/ the sensations are projected into the environment: it is not just in the head but the person actually sees a sound or hears a picture, etc.
3/ the sensations are durable and generic: every time you hear a bell you always see red, it doesn't change over time or situation and will always be experienced with the stimulus.
4/ the sensations are memorable: they are often the aspect of something that is remembered best.
5/ the sensations are emotional - they provoke emotional responses in the Synaesthete. (I can't talk or think when ambulances etc. pass me, especially if there is more than one.)

Anna, you should try this experiment which studies the Synaesthete memory.

Warewulf, thanks for the comic reference, I didn't know that. I have so much to read because of this board, everytime someone mentions a book I've been adding it to my list and I've got about 10 years reading to do...

Toksik, hallucinogenic or euphoric drugs don't alter the responses I have, but they do add more. I guess the best way to describe it is to say that where normally 20% of sounds provoke visual responses, in any altered state this rises to about 80%. Going to clubs and listening to music is fine generally, because it's just some of the sounds which affect me, and as I have always had it it's not too difficult to deal with. And I just don't drive and listen to music which I know has a lot of visual responses in it. Music generally is ok, because it's (mainly) harmonious!

Illmatic, thanks for the welcome and the book references. Part of the reason for my interest in Lith is because I am keen to see what I can 'do' with this, it seems too good a gift just to go "oh, cool man, look at all the colours..."

Baz, the shapes of music or the picture of sound I would say is light Synaesthesia, especially if it always happens.

Hey, thanks, it's cool you're all interested, generally people who don't know about the condition tend to think I'm really, really weird.
 
 
illmatic
07:25 / 24.03.03
I think you'd really like that Peter Redgrove book - it's out of print but you might get one second hand or from a library. He's a scientific journalist and a poet, and he sees poetry a synaesthestic event, with the collaspsing together and interlinking of different sensory information in the poetic form, with poetry as a discpline which allows unconscious or "hidden knowledge" to express itself. I've read a bit of his poetry and I can recognise this - don't know if I would seen this if I hadn't read the book first.
 
 
Gary Lactus
07:45 / 24.03.03
The 20th century composer Olivier Messiaen had syaesthesia. He would often confuse the musicians he was conducting by giving directions such as "play this section a bit more brown".
 
 
Char Aina
13:18 / 24.03.03
Hey, thanks, it's cool you're all interested, generally people who don't know about the condition tend to think I'm really, really weird.


yeah, well i know i'm jealous.
maybe they are too.
 
 
Quantum
14:11 / 24.03.03
Yup, I'm High C with envy! *collapses in hysterics*
Did you know the Romans used synaesthesia (the concept not the 'disorder') as a memory aid? Rhetoricians would assign an imaginary object to a memory and place it in their memory palace. The more richly they defined the object (smell, taste, colour) the easier it was to recall. This is because storing memory in several sensory modes allows recall via several sensory modes.
Olulabelle, do you have a good memory?
 
 
Icicle
14:24 / 24.03.03
Wow, you are really lucky, I'd love to have Synaesthesia. One question I have is say you are able to see sounds, would other synaestehesiacs have the same colours linked to the same sounds as you, or do they vary according to the individual?
I was interested when you said you wanted to do more than just look at the colours. what exactly did you mean by that? the thing I always wondered about synaesthesia, is is the world really like that 'objectively' (if I dare say such a thing), are having colours as sounds an actual property of the world or a trick of the mind?
 
 
Olulabelle
14:26 / 24.03.03
I think I do, for instance I am excellent at dream recall but that's probably through years of practice. I can remember important things but not shopping lists for example, and quite frankly I am proud to say that :-) But I remember everything about people I meet who are important to me, even if I haven't seen them for years.

I do have horrible habits of remembering random things like car number plates *all the time* which is really quite irritating, and if I dial a phone number once I will recall it days later.
 
 
Olulabelle
15:28 / 24.03.03
Icicle, all coloured-hearing Synaesthetes have individual responses to particular sounds, but there are many we share. It's very common to find synaesthetes with red 'issues', doorbells are almost always red, and flutes are generally blue. Anna's yellow bells are often described too. Personally I think the colours are related to the type of sound, for example it would suprise me to find a Synaesthete who saw orange for flutes, as it's such a vibrant colour for a soft tone. With letter colour Synaesthesia each person will describe the letters differently, so it isn't that say Y is always green, it's that one of the letters will undoubtedly be green.
I was interested when you said you wanted to do more than just look at the colours. what exactly did you mean by that? the thing I always wondered about synaesthesia, is is the world really like that 'objectively' (if I dare say such a thing), are having colours as sounds an actual property of the world or a trick of the mind?

The point about Synaesthesia is that the images we see are as real as for example you looking at a post box. They aren't just produced in our minds. If you think about hallucinating and how real the things you see are when you're in that state, it's a bit like that apart from it's all the time. Hmm, that sounds a bit like they're actually hallucinations but you know what I mean. And I think for Synaesthetes the world is actually like that, the colours we see are as real to us as your hearing is to you. Sounds do actually produce colours, and we don't know the world any differently. For me, the fact that the doorbell isn't red for you is hard to get my head round!

With regard to just 'looking at the colours' I don't know what else i can do with it. But there must be something. Any suggestions? ;-)
 
 
Mourne Kransky
15:31 / 24.03.03
Your description of the manifestation of this condition is very interesting, la belle olula, and I’d like to have a taste of synaesthesia to see how it feels but I suspect my senses are too leaden. No doubt there is a downside. Nearest I get is seeing the shape of a piece of music and that’s probably a corrupted artefact of exposure to light shows and exuberant conductors.

I first encountered the phenomenon in this poem, Correspondances by Baudelaire, which plays with the idea that our limited senses can perceive only fragmentary data about an underlying deep and shadowy unity which we humans divide artificially according to familiar sensory inputs. I like the idea that not only can we sometimes see sound and hear colour but that this might be a truer experience, reflecting correspondences that human senses seldom detect, except for you smug synaesthetics.

And a hearty welcome to the Barbelirium, which used to be a deep and sanguine shade of maroon but is now a blander pastel and white. Still smells of patchouli and damp books.
 
 
grant
15:50 / 24.03.03
I'm voting to move this topic to the Lab, cuz it's a good 'un, and I'd hate to see it lost to the inevitable march of Conversation topic detritus.
 
 
Olulabelle
16:50 / 24.03.03
Baudelaire is one of what they call 'Pseudo-Synaesthetes' (which I personally think is a rather snide way of saying fake because i'm sure he never claimed to have the condition). Other people who used Synaesthesia in their creative work whilst not being Synasthetes themselves are Arthur Rimbaud, Kandinsky, Georgia O'Keefe, Alexander Laszlo and Alexander Scriabin. Kandinsky was particularly famous for his paintings of music such as Quiet Harmony, which although not truly created through Synaesthesia, was certainly inspired by it.

Famous true Synaesthetes are David Hockney - who didn't really do much about it unless you consider an ability to paint swimming pools to be a Synaesthetic trait ;-) Vladimir Nabokov, Liszt and Rimsky-Korsakov. There are undoubtedly many more.

Thanks for the welcome Xoc, and yes there are downsides, not in the least having to stop dead in the street and look like a freak until things with sirens have gone by, and you try explaining to the postman why you can't see where to sign because he rang the doorbell!
 
 
The Falcon
17:12 / 24.03.03
I thought Kandinsky was synaesthetic.
 
 
Olulabelle
17:48 / 24.03.03
Yes, so did I until recently, but apparently not.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
18:21 / 24.03.03
Phew, lots more of it around than I knew. I am particularly interested in the phenomenon of artists and musicians who are synaesthetes. When someone has such an out-of-the-ordinary way of relating to sound and to colour, it might seem unlikely that their artistic work would speak universally to a mass audience and yet the guys you're listing have used their media to communicate very powerfully to us monochrome types.

Perhaps a paradox. Perhaps that's just the measure of their genius. Maybe, however, it's proof of the theory underpinning the Baudelaire poem and the rare insight that their synaesthesia gives them clarifies something the rest of us wouldn't otherwise intuit.
 
 
Olulabelle
19:09 / 24.03.03
Xoc, Personally I think that if you were to paint a picture which responded using colour and possibly shape to a piece of music, and I also did, we would have pretty much the same result. I think that the things you would imagine and the colours you would choose would be similar to the ones I actually see. I am a firm believer in the 'us all as Synaesthetes as children' theory, and the colours and shapes you may use are perhaps what you would be seeing if your brain hadn't repressed the condition.

Hey, in fact, what a good idea! (Pats self on back.) Let's all experiment...

Hands up those who fancy responding visually to a piece of music (as yet undecided) by painting or drawing or whatever media takes their fancy, and then we can compare our responses.

At the very least we can laugh/gasp in awe at each other's artistic attempts...
 
 
cusm
20:12 / 25.03.03
I don't do this to the extent that it might be considerd a disorder, but I do process sensory data through visual often. For example, I smell in colors, but not so that the color actually affects my real vision. I just "see" the smell or taste with my inner eye. I can seperate my imaginatory use of visual with the sensory, so there isn't any crossover there. There are just different layers of visual data I can pay attention. However, I do have a running visual interpretation of most of my sensory input in some form or another. Music especially. Its like Fantasia for everything. Its just how I understand what I'm experiencing. Sound is especially affected by this. I think in my case, I just use the parts of my brain for visual decoding for more than just what comes through my eyes, which isn't the disorder, but is a similar use of the same. Its less a crossing of wires as a supplimental procesing in my case.

And as for the memory tricks, that's for real. Mneomics is all about that. The more senses involved, and the more unique the image, the easier it is to remember. You engage more of your brain with it. There are tricks for assigning numbers to silly images and then combining the images to memorize lists and such quickly. I've tinkered with it a bit, cheated on some tests with it back in school. Some good books by Harry Lorayne on mneomic systems based on this idea.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
01:01 / 26.03.03
It's strange that you should mention Liszt- one of the few musicians whose music I can't drive too, I always get hit by colour, usually violet. It makes me wonder if musicians who have the condition inspire the effect in others?

Doorbells do nothing to me but the telephone- when I was a kid we had one with a really shrill bell that was bright orange, my grandparents phone was scarlet. I find the pitch really effects my reaction and luckily mobile and digital phones do nothing!
 
 
little big bang
20:19 / 31.03.03
Are most synaesthetics visual? Most of what I've read of it (which isn't much) focuses on seeing sounds. I have a feeling that, in accord with the synaesthetic-kids theory, all humans are in some form synaesthetic (among other things). It's just that once we have cultivated a sensory reality for ourselves that we feel works, we stop paying attention to what else we can do.

I'm very sensitive to changes in pressure and movements in the air around me. I'm not exactly sure if this is synaesthesia, but there are some effects of it that are synaesthetic. I'm sensitive to how sound feels--it's not like it pokes me, but more like I feel it as a function of my internal organs. Kind of like the nails-on-a-chalkboard effect, but with everything. This is good and bad, but mostly good. I can't listen to heavy metal or industrial because it's like sandpaper on my insides, whereas certain kinds of music are like a breeze or a cool drink of water. The feeling music effect also makes me somewhat of a natural dancer. In general i tend to interpret things kinesthetically.

I think we all have a certain preference as to how we interpret sensory data, and the stronger the preference, the closer to synaesthesia. It's like in school when they assess whether you're a visual, audial, or kinetic learner. Well, some people are visual, audial, or kinetic sensors, applying their preference to a broader stage.

in terms of what you can do with it, well, what do you want to do with it? are you thinking socially, personally? most of the things that I can think to do are creative pursuits, but that's because I'm so inclined. it depends on your attitude toward the ability. Do you think it is a benefit? Do you think others could learn it, just as it may be possible that children could unlearn it? Would you want to help them do that?

Also, have you tried honing it to help you with a specific practice? for example, if you were to do martial arts, training your eye to see a color that equates with smoothness of form or magnitude of force. You could use it to become better at anything you do. That's how I apply my own kinesthetic inclinations.

well, goodness, I'm certainly glad you're here with us! i like seeing what others have to say on this topic.
 
 
*
13:44 / 01.04.03
Are there any meditative techniques which increase or intensify these experiences? And has anyone heard of anyone acquiring synaesthesia later in life?

This comes from an envious non-synaesthete, as I suppose is immediately obvious. I read about this when I was in school and, even though the article I read-- one of the first popular articles about synaesthesia printed here in the Evil Empire-- painted it in a somewhat negative light, I immediately wanted to be able to do that too.

As an extension of olulabelle's experiment, who wants to see if this is something people can learn?

I don't want to seem to lessen the uniqueness of your gift, olulabelle, Anna and others. I suppose I have this concept of synaesthesia as a useful state of consciousness which perhaps others could benefit from accessing.

I suppose no one knows what causes it, or if certain brain chemicals affect it?
 
 
*
13:54 / 01.04.03
Teach me to not read the linked website before I post. Sorry for asking redundant questions.

I am still interested in experimenting with synaesthesia-like experiences myself. Any ideas?
 
 
Quantum
12:01 / 02.04.03
Magic mushrooms- kingbong.com sells growkits
I don't think you can train yourself to be properly synaesthetic, it's biological I think- like colour blindness. You can emulate the effects though, most easily when on mushrooms.
 
 
Olulabelle
11:25 / 03.04.03
I think when you use drugs the state of mind you create *is* synaesthesia, and as far as I understand it it's not just emulation. So go grow mushrooms, take them, and then for the time you're high you will actually be a Synaesthete.

Another way to become a Synaesthete (which, by the way, I am not recommending) is to be horribly injured somehow as apparently people can become synaesthetic (temporarily or permanently) as a result of brain/spinal injuries/conditions. Apparently this happened to Rik Mayall when he crashed his bike. He said in an interview in The Observer: I was at Gatwick airport, flying out to Canada to do Kevin of the North earlier this year. I shouldn't be telling you this, really, but I will. I was by the bookstall, and I couldn't tell the difference between colour and sound. I could see the colour of sound, and I could hear the things I could see, and I knew it was declining, my ability to understand what was going on.

It's also been documented in cases of severe migraine hallucinations, so you could always try and cultivate a tendency to migraines...
 
 
gingerbop
17:34 / 03.04.03
"Some people might think of numbers having a particular arrangement in space. "

I dont have synaesthesia, but i have done this as long as i can remember. I thought everyone did this but i mentioned it to my brother and he thought i was a complete freak.

Moreover the numbers side of things, i get a really stong image when i think about going thru the year. Its like a circle, going anticlockwise (strangely!) starting the new year on the right hand side and going around as the months go by. Ditto the "everyone thinksim a freak" thing, for that. DOes anyone else have a mental calendar like that (its not like i can SEE a calender, its just a strong sense of being in that position on the circle. hard 2 exlain)

xx
 
 
Olulabelle
23:32 / 03.04.03
Are most synaesthetics visual? Most of what I've read of it (which isn't much) focuses on seeing sounds. I have a feeling that, in accord with the synaesthetic-kids theory, all humans are in some form synaesthetic (among other things). It's just that once we have cultivated a sensory reality for ourselves that we feel works, we stop paying attention to what else we can do.

Exactly LBB. This is entirely the description of Synaesthesia. Most common Synaesthetes are mainly sound/visual, coloured hearing or vice versa. Although there are other versions, this is by far the most common.

I'm very sensitive to changes in pressure and movements in the air around me. I'm not exactly sure if this is synaesthesia, but there are some effects of it that are synaesthetic. I'm sensitive to how sound feels--it's not like it pokes me, but more like I feel it as a function of my internal organs. Kind of like the nails-on-a-chalkboard effect, but with everything. This is good and bad, but mostly good. I can't listen to heavy metal or industrial because it's like sandpaper on my insides, whereas certain kinds of music are like a breeze or a cool drink of water. The feeling music effect also makes me somewhat of a natural dancer. In general i tend to interpret things kinesthetically.

Anything that is not experienced by the majority is, (at present) classed as Synaesthetic. However, this may change as the disorder becomes more researched. If it produces an *actual* sensory reaction in you beyond the norm, it's Synaesthetic.

I think we all have a certain preference as to how we interpret sensory data, and the stronger the preference, the closer to synaesthesia. It's like in school when they assess whether you're a visual, audial, or kinetic learner. Well, some people are visual, audial, or kinetic sensors, applying their preference to a broader stage.

I'm a visual learner. I really don't get it until it's visually explained. Although some of my learning is Kinesthetic I admit; until 3 weeks ago when someone poked my leg with his finger, then his palm, I didn't get the Elephant in stillettoes comparison, about pressure in Physics. I don't think this relates to Synaesthesia though. You can be any of the above and still have the condition.

In terms of what you can do with it, well, what do you want to do with it? are you thinking socially, personally? most of the things that I can think to do are creative pursuits, but that's because I'm so inclined. it depends on your attitude toward the ability. Do you think it is a benefit? Do you think others could learn it, just as it may be possible that children could unlearn it? Would you want to help them do that?

I wish I had a way of allowing everyone to experience it, because it would amuse them immensely, especially people here! But, sadly, I can't. You can't learn it, you either are, or aren't. You can experience it, but it's not the same as living with it everyday. If it was possible I'd love to help people learn it, but I don't think it is.

Mostly, the things I think it would benefit are creative, like you, I am that way inclined. I still think we should do my experiment though!

Also, have you tried honing it to help you with a specific practice? for example, if you were to do martial arts, training your eye to see a color that equates with smoothness of form or magnitude of force. You could use it to become better at anything you do. That's how I apply my own kinesthetic inclinations.

I do Ashtanga Yoga, which is kind of like Hatha, but much more physical. I find it helps there; in Ashtanga, you have a continuous 'focus point', and you hold 'Bandhas' or internal locks, and I find if I visualise them I see pale blue. So if the colour changes, I know I'm not concentrating. I quite like the idea of learning Martial Arts, but it would have to be from the right teacher. I don't wanna just go to my local gym, because they *really* won't understand!

well, goodness, I'm certainly glad you're here with us! i like seeing what others have to say on this topic.

Thank you LLB, that's a really kind thing to say.
 
 
pomegranate
20:26 / 04.04.03
once i saw something on tv about a man who had this; he tasted words. maybe sounds in general, but words for sure. he had to stop dating this woman cos he couldn't stand the taste of her name. how'd you like to be told that as a good-bye?
if he has a craving for a certain food, can he just say the word that goes w/it in order to taste it? woah!
 
 
Rage
02:47 / 05.04.03
Wouldn't that be a less advanced form of someone breaking up with you because they didn't like your clothing? It's opinion, right? Are the sounds you see a matter of "perception?" Do people with Synaesthesia- for example- choose the colors they end up hearing? What makes one associate a sound with a smell to the point where they merge? Is it random? Can you feel smells? Can you taste feelings? Can you smell words? Why aren't we all learning/creating Synaesthetic abilites for ourselves instead of posting at this message board? Wouldn't that be cooler? Does hearing a song that creates a mental image in our mind constitute a minor form of Synaesthesia? Do you listen to Radiohead?
 
  

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