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Aw, piss: the return of the New Mutants.

 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
11:51 / 17.03.03
http://x-mencomics.com/xfan/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=16357

Will this undermine what Grant's trying to do with the school? Yes. Yes it will.
 
 
The Natural Way
12:09 / 17.03.03
Yeah. Bugger. I'm sure the NM writer's ideas about education probably won't sit that well with Grant's. Oh, and not only that, isn't this going to complicate things needlessly and a little bit too much?

Stupid. Marvel. Kruntsce.
 
 
The Natural Way
12:10 / 17.03.03
As a result of this I think I'm going to have to change my name to "realFRENT".
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
12:13 / 17.03.03
I don't think that this new New Mutants undermines anything, it seems to be playing along with New X-Men very well, and they are obviously reverential of what Grant is doing over there.

For example:
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DEFILIPPIS: The returning characters are being offered faculty jobs. In a sense it does not truly relate to these other groups.
In the early issues, Dani goes looking for mutants who have been detected but have not contacted Xavier's or any of these
other groups. Some of the returning characters will also naturally assume that Xavier needs them on one of the X-teams. This
is not the case and each of them will have different reactions to that.

X-FAN: Speaking of the students, are they all-new creations?

WEIR: Brand new creations. That was one of the coolest parts of developing this project. Honestly, the kids in Grant's New
X-Men are his to play with. It would be uncool of us to swoop in and steal his toys.

DEFILIPPIS: Also, Grant has done a good job really expanding the range of mutants, creating mutants who are dramatically
different from the average person. While that's a fun way to expand the X-verse, we wanted to get a few characters who could
look and act like any high school student. We really want to play up the metaphor of mutant alienation being just a more
pronounced version of teen alienation. That is strengthened by showing kids who just can't fit in but not because they look so
different no one will let them.


Sounds fine to me. I like all of those old New Mutants characters, I'm curious to read this comic.

Something you've got to remember is that Grant is working in the context of the Marvel Universe, and everyone else is free to play in that sandbox with him. Nothing Grant is doing is set in stone, it's just a temporary status quo that no one should feel they have to uphold if they don't want to. Part of why Grant's New X-Men is so good is because he decided to build his own status quo and create his own characters - these people are probably better doing the same too, in the context of what other creators are doing. And I really don't think anything is being "undermined" in Grant's comic, this series will probably never even be acknowledged in New X-Men.






Also, I have to say this because it's one of my biggest pet peeves: You should have included the words "New Mutants" in your thread title instead of "Aw, Piss" which means nothing at all to a person browsing this forum. For ease of use, it is good ettiquette to keep thread titles in this and other spectacle forums and clear and concise as possible. I recommend that a moderator in this forum fix this.
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
12:22 / 17.03.03
It's the costumes that do it for me- they look like they're going fucking scuba diving! It totaly puppyfucks what Grant's tried to do with the "look" (and don't even get me started on the Uncanny costumes), once again ripping the concept of the X-Men away from some kind of socio-political reality and back into retarded superheroics. Fuckers.

And uh, sorry. Sort of new here, as the double thread will atest. DON'T WRITE FAG ON MY JACKET
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
12:26 / 17.03.03
See, I don't care for the costumes either, but they aren't setting a precedent in the post-Grant X-era. Chuck Austen and Kia Asamiya have their characters running around in far more ridiculous outfits over in Uncanny X-Men, and they're meant to be the characters in NXM's immediate peers/housemates.

It's okay. I think making the invidual comics their own relatively self-contained thing is better than forcing everything to be consistent. Uncanny X-Men and this new New Mutants are meant for a different audience, and that's good business for Marvel, I think. If they're going to publish 20 X-Men comics per month, it's a good idea to make them all different.
 
 
Aertho
21:22 / 17.03.03
And wasn't it Cameron Sterart who said that comics are disengaging from the kid's market almost completely? He made a REALLY strong argument that the medium would die out with the current reader following because the writers and artists are not generating work that is accesible to "kids".

While I don't think NXM is entirely inaccessible to kids, some themes and the pace isn't necessarily the flash and intrigue that kids nowadays seem to be drawn to. I see all this resurging anime and magical card-based television shows and I think that seems to appeal to the kids today. Perhaps the civil liberties analogy of the X-Men as a franchise isn't sharp or intriguing enough for the sophisticated multicultural kids of today?

So I'm not ANTI the new swimsuit models of the New Mutants. I'm anti completely independant writers. What's wrong with having Grant be writing superviser? While every book could have its own niche, I could definitely see the potential for having the Stepford Cuckoos or Beak wander through Institute-related books. Having Austen and Claremont and Morrison and now this New Mutants writer all generating little muties for each of their little books seems childish -convienient, but childish.

Maybe somebody could establish a school roster, and writers could pull from the hat. Nevermind. Some characters only work well in the hands of their creators. But if Charlie and Wolvie and now Emma can cross the book, why the precedent of having segragated student bodies?

Another q remains. How do you all see the X-franschise mutating(heh!)to appeal to the kids of today? Is New Mutants the answer? Is that even it's focus? Or do we give little mutie kids Digi-X-Men, so that they don't get harmed in any way, and merely fight their battles vicariously... that's kind of philosophicallty spooky.
 
 
CameronStewart
21:48 / 17.03.03
>>>If they're going to publish 20 X-Men comics per month, it's a good idea to make them all different.<<<

I think it's exactly the opposite, Flux - while I'm fiercely opposed to the idea that all comics have to fit, down to the tiniest, most insignificant detail, into the convoluted continuity that's been established, I DO think that *consistency* is a very good thing.

There are so many entirely different versions of the X-Men flying around right now, it only serves to confuse the casual reader - which ones are the "real" X-Men? We've got at least five different comics, each with completely different visual designs (and in the case of Ultimate X-Men, different backstories for the characters). We have two television cartoons and two feature films, none of which look like the others. And just recently my studiomate was commissioned to produce artwork for Marvel Merchandising, featuring the old yellow and blue Wolverine. It severely dilutes the brand identity to have so many variations on offer.

Marvel really ought to pick one and STICK WITH IT. The Quitely designs, while of course my favourite, also make the most practical sense because they're the closest to the outfits in the upcoming BLOCKBUSTER MOVIE SEQUEL that will get the public interested in the X-Men again...

It's pretty simple stuff.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
00:13 / 18.03.03
I think that there could be a good middle ground here. From a strictly visual standpoint, I think you are absolutely correct - all of the characters should look more or less the same from one comic to the next - there shouldn't be a hundred different Wolverines out there. They should go with the movie designs, or things very close to it (the Quitely designs), and the Ultimate line should ideally be eliminated as it only complicates matters.

Story-wise, I think it's good to have each X-comic offer something different. I think it's a good idea to have New X-Men be aimed at a more "Vertigo"/mature audience, for X-Treme to cater to Claremont's cult, for Uncanny to be a straight-ahead superhero comic. I think it is good business to have the franchise characters written for every audience which may want to read them. I don't think Marvel's really accomplishing that right now, but it seems to be what they want to achieve.

It certainly doesn't help anything that Chuck Austen writes about as well as a dim 8 year old boy, Mark Millar's comics are completely divorced from regular continuity, and Chris Claremont is verrrrrrrry far past his prime. But it's a start.
 
 
SecretlyClarkKent
02:08 / 18.03.03
I'm going to assume that, as this is Barbelith, most of you are fans of New X-Men moreso than you are fans of the other X-titles. If you force a consistency, visual or otherwise, on the overall spread of mutant titles at Marvel, you can pretty much bet that most of Grant's ideas would probably lose out. While New X-Men is selling better than any other X-title, it is not out-selling all of the other titles combined, and the majority of X-titles seem to follow the superhero/costume trend. If Marvel were to come in and say "Okay, all of the X-titles need to be consistent," than you would find Grant's X-Men back in spandex.

If it weren't for the individual creativity the creators of each title were allowed, that Grant's X-Men would be nothing like they are. [In fact, Grant probably wouldn't have an X-Men title, at all. Nor would Peter Milligan.]

I don't read all of the X-titles. For a reason. Morrison's New X-Men and Milligan's X-Statix stand above them all because they are different from most of what has come before.

I'm not saying that the titles should exist in different "universes" so to speak, but I think each creator should have a certain amount of control over their individual comic. Otherwise, each writer would have to continuously check in with the others, or an overseeing editor or supervisor [who, most likely, would not be Grant Morrison] and the stories would become stale and convulated, as none of the writers would be allowed to do anything drastic [like Cassandra Nova, or the riot] or original without making sure all of the other writers are going to deal with it [and add their ideas and input] within the same time-frame.

Another downside to that route is that fans would suddenly find themselves having to buy each and every X-title, just to keep the story complete and straight. [Comic trends have tried this before... it was called the 1990's. The trend caused severe drop-offs in readerships because casual readers simply could not keep up with four Superman titles each month.]

[Grant's "manifesto" in the back of the first NXM trade talk about how NXM should be set up that casual readers can come in and read an arc or two without having to read every issue, so that the comic would be more accessible -especially to movie fans-. Regular readers would be rewarded with larger continual arcs that build characters, and such.]

As it stands, casual readers can pick up a single title, regularly or once in awhile, without being forced to buy every issue of every title without being too confused. If they are confused, they need to put the comic down, or pay closer attention.

"Serious" readers, as it were, should be able to handle the inconsistencies, or at least reconcile with them.

-Jared
 
  
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