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Mysterious Question
12:26 / 14.03.03
I'm not sure how much this has been covered before, although there's been a bit of talk. I'm shifting this over from the Headshop.

While I believe I can attain some degree of magical ability on my own, I am fascinated by sex magic - both sexually and magically - and this surely has to be taught practically. For those of you who have practiced sex magic, did it develop with a partner, or did you find someone to teach you? If so, how?
 
 
grant
13:26 / 14.03.03
Donald Michael Kraig has a book called "Modern Sex Magick."

It's OK.

Much better with the "magick" part than the "sex" part - it's more like, "ok, you can use sex to generate gnosis. now here's what you do with gnosis."
 
 
illmatic
13:27 / 14.03.03
Following you over from the Headshop, I can have a go at the question about chi as well. Firstly though, I’d say that I’m very intrigued by the whole notion that something like this might be thought of as existing at all – it’s certainly something that ‘s not acceptable to western science and occupies a fringe space in “alternative health” /healing./martial arts. As such it probably covers a multitude of different phenomena – I think any attempts to put this concept on a scientific footing would meet with the severest resistance. Wilhelm Reich attempted to do this, calling it “orgone energy”. At his trial in ’57, the judge ordered all his the publications mentioning this concept to be destroyed.

As to the with holding back of sexual energy (“karezza”) I think it’s called this is one of those ideas of uncertain status that has been exported from the East without much understanding. As far as I can tell/recall, part of this is popular superstition - quack medicines exist to prevent the loss of semen through wet dreams as this is attributed to a loss of health and vitality. Part of this is probably a carry over from the celibate monastic traditions. I also think some of this has got it’s origins in anti-sex attitudes of ancient Muslim invaders of India who were the first people who smashed up the sexual statuary ancient Indian temples (later followed by Gandhi and Nehru). What I’m trying to get it is the witholding of orgasm or chi or whatever isn’t a fixed and definite technique sanctioned by Eastern tradition. It’s an idea that has multiple points of origin (I’m sure I’ve only covered a few of them), some of which rests in our misunderstandings of Eastern spiritual traditions. That said, it may be a very benefical technique for some people. It might feed into a libratory agenda it might not, I don’t know. I’m not knocking it, but it’d be best to do your own experiments. You can find a discussion of these issues in two excellent books on sex magick – Katon Shual’s “Sexual Magick” and Frater UD’s “Secret of Sex magick (if that’s the right title – can’t remember).

I’d say that’s probably the best way to learn about sexual magick as well– I don’t think I’ve got much to say here, I don’t feel like I’m any sort of expert, it depends on what you mean by it. Do you mean enjoying your sexuality more - surely liberatory - or learning a set body of technique. I've never done the latter but have attempted the former.

Some simple ideas here might be experimenting with your breathing for a start –and see how this affects your emotional and sexual responses. See where your holding back, where you’re tense etc. Any relaxation exercises you can find might be interesting to play with. A not specifically sexual, but very good nonetheless, program of exercises can be found in Chris Hyatt’s book “Undoing Yourself with Energised Meditation”.
This is a excellent article as well.

Actually, this brings up a very good question – on one hand you’ve got sex magick as work – frenzied wanking over sigils to spawn results. On the other, you’ve got sex as play. I’d like to hear people’s experiences or thoughts on the difference between the two.

I don't much about the OTO sexual magick stuff. I guess you'd have to read through the allegorical lines in Crowley's stuff.
 
 
gravitybitch
14:59 / 14.03.03
Lots of food for discussion here!

I haven't done anything along the lines of using partnered sex for gnosis or a focussed intent.

However, sex as a magickal act in and of itself is something that I do have experience with. I'm exploring the areas where another person's energy or chi overlaps/merges with mine and what happens, how that manifests and gets perceived... I've been with partners where I've been able to "eavesdrop" on their orgasms, have been separated from actually being able to physically experience their orgasm by the thinnest of membranes (and no, I'm not talking about latex). I'm also blessed with having partners with whom I have rapport to the extent that we can experience reception and penetration energetically without doing so physically (one partner, female, can manifest an energetic penis and she experiences very real male-style orgasms with it - I've given her "hand jobs" on long road trips).
One good starter reference for this sort of thing is an old book (pub. 1986, may or may not be out of print) called The Lover Within by Julie Henderson. ISBN is 0-88268-049-8, from Sation Hill Press.
 
 
gravitybitch
15:01 / 14.03.03
gah. that's Station Hill Press.
 
 
little big bang
16:50 / 14.03.03
a lot of what we do, magickally or not, is, when we let ourselves really get into it, mindsex (or as Promethea would say, godsex).

When you are deeply involved in a working (again, magickal or not), you gain a sense of a push and pull of forces, pressure and looseness, rhythm, giving and receiving, I think you get the idea. For some, anything can become an erotic experience and it is a delightful way of working with energies.

in terms of using physical sex for magick-- remember, magick is about the will, and any practice, especially one like this, takes discipline of intention. I think that's what all those witholding disciplines intended to teach--control, not unnecessary restraint. because if the will is lost in passion, there goes your intent (unless the passion is the intent, in which case, have a blast).

sex magick could be useful if you especially want the process of magick to manifest in the physical world, as opposed to just the results. in this case you want to prepare yourself mentally to pay attention to what's going on.

sex could also be viewed as a learning tool--learning how to relax and direct your energies so as to achieve maximum effect. you could think of it as an allegory for a magickal working.

I've never tried any of the above, just thought that arose on the topic. if any of you try these, or already have, I would dearly like to hear how it worked out.

then again, if you're just horny, magick needn't be your excuse. in the words of american corporate gods, just do it.
 
 
Mysterious Question
23:43 / 14.03.03
I was thinking about quite serious practical sex magic: sex with a partner, in whatever roles, consciously acting. I've read enough on the subject, but do I have to just sit around waiting for a magician I fancy to fuck?
 
 
gravitybitch
01:43 / 15.03.03
Well, no, you could indulge in some solitary practice to manifest a hot magickian landing in your lap... [sorry]

In Crowley's universe, it seemed as though the partner was a "vessel" of sorts, standing in for a Being whether that partner was aware of it or not. I don't know if I could maintain the sort of disassociation necessary to have satisfactory sex, do a magickal working, and keep my partner unaware of my goal(s) or that I was working magick.

For me, I'd need an informed and willing partner but that doesn't mean I'd need a fellow magickian in bed and working with me, just somebody not weirding out on the idea.
 
 
Papess
12:33 / 15.03.03
It is not entirely necessary to have a partner for sex magick, but if that is one of your questions MQ - how to find a partner...look around! You do not even need a partner who is aware of what you (the magician) is doing.

From the topic abstract and your last post, I am concluding that you want a flesh coupling.

Weeeell, you may have better luck than myself, but from my introduction to Tantra at 18 yrs of age I have now waited for 15 years to find a suitable tantric partner for myself.

In the meantime....(heh)

You may want to prepare your mind and body for their arrival, almost as if you have made plans with them to meet them. No, you have met them yet, but act as if you have, as if they exsist and are known to you already. Love them already, recognize their godlike nature beforehand. Make room for them to enter your life and they will.

The sex magick starts long before your partner will arrive, namely by preparation of your own mind and body.

If you want to try some personal evolution through sex magick though, you can do that today if you wish. Something I have done to help remove my own bias in my mind is first, to find the most repulsive partner I can. The more nauseated I feel to look at them the better. Then, I make the sweetest love to them I can, inflicting them with carnal delights and visualizing them as the god/dess and pleasuring them as I would try to pleasure the Gods or Goddesses. A lot of pretentions tend to slip away when this is performed with sincerity.
 
 
Mysterious Question
11:16 / 16.03.03
Mei Trix - Thank you, that is all fantastic advice. I've been trying to magic someone into my life for a while but have been a little unfocussed and fragmentary about the approach so might renew that line of work. The ugly partners thing is great - sadly it's hard to find fit S&M tops, so I've been with a few shockers. That kind of god (maybe god-form) worship would be an excellent way of clearing that from my mind...
 
  
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