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UK Sopranos Season 4: "Trust only blood..."

 
  

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Regrettable Juvenilia
12:05 / 12.03.03
(Apologies if there was a thread on this series already but I want to minimise spoilers for those of us who just started watching on Channel 4 - I already know one thing about this season that I wished I didn't...)

So it's baaaaack! A really solid start to the new series, I thought, particularly the second half where things start to pick up plotwise. Although having said that, I tend to like the parts of The Sopranos where nothing really seems to happen just as much as the more obviously 'dramatic' parts... I'd happily watch an hour or so of James Gandolfini eating tortelloni and watching TV and occasionally glaring at Aj or any other family member... But anyway - some highlights:

Christopher! - really good to see some focus back on my favourite character in the series. I still remember how hooked I was on season 2 when Chris got shot, and while his story in season 3 was nicely ironic (discovering that moving up in the ranks wasn't necessarily much fun), I'm excited by the prospect of a more... pacey? dangerous? central?... role for him. I like the idea of Tony grooming him as his heir largely because it's clearly going to go *so* wrong, what with the smack, and Adriana's new undercover FBI friend. And what I still like best about Christopher is the way he vacillates between 'cool' in the way he wants desperately to be (which is usually actually quite amoral and terrifying) - eg that moment they keep using on the adverts where he passes the joint up to the girl who's half-straddling him, where he really is cool-as-fuck - and being quite pathetic, which is actually much more human and likeable - eg just a minute later after Tony bangs on the door, and Chris is waving away smoke like a naughty 12 yr-old.

Ralphie & Janice! - nooooo, and yet it's so obvious that these two would hook up. And yet nooooo, this will so not end well in any respect. Nobody does sleazy like Joe Pantolioni, do they? Even though Ralphie didn't have that much to do this episode, he's the kind of actor/character you keep watching, because you know he's going to get in *some* kind of trouble...

Uncle Junior! - not that much to say except isn't he so oddly likeable? It's weird how I feel just mostly sympathy for this character now... His flirting with the nurse was somehow really touching and sad, and blaming himself when it turned out she might be a spy... awww.

Food! - swear to God, no other programme on TV makes me hungry like The Sopranos does. Here we got the ubiquitous eating seen with Tony and the really fat guy who works for Uncle Junior in the diner - I was drooling. Not quite as appetisingly good as the scene last year where Tony makes Ralphie apologise while he sits and stuffs his face with pasta, but pretty close.

Hardly feel like I even need to mention Gandolfini being good as ever - heard on the news this morning he's fallen out with HBO and is demanding double his salary, so let's enjoy this series of Tony while we can!

(I realise I've not talked much about the women of the series - it seemed quite focussed on the men of the show, this episode, but maybe someone else will disagree.)
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
12:49 / 12.03.03
If you don't mind, I'll play along with this thread as I've been dying to write about The Sopranos on Barbelith, but it's never really worked out before for one reason or another. I intensely love Season 4, so I'll jump at any chance to discuss it, really. I won't spoil anything for you, but I will probably shoot down way-off speculation if it comes up.

---light spoilers onward----

Anyway, I think you're right on in how you describe Christopher, especially where he is in the beginning of Season 4. You're right, a lot of where they are headed with the Christopher storyline is in how badly things go for him, and whether or not he can pull himself together.

A lot of people who favor the more traditional first two seasons tend to be bored with the third and fourth seasons, but I think those people are crazy. The story in season 4 is relatively quiet and not nearly as violent or exciting, but it is dense, nervey, and dark. Season 4 gradually gets more and more intense, and it offers very little release - there's a lot of things that almost happen, and resentments build and build til things nearly explode at the end.

Don't take any small detail for granted - the writing in this season is very meticulous, and little things that may not seem like a big deal at first come back to haunt the characters, especially Tony, later on. Keep your eyes open.

By the way, that "fat guy" that Tony eats the steak and eggs with in the first episode is Bobby "Bacala" Baccilieri, who had a minor role in the previous season taking care of Uncle Junior. He plays a bigger role this season.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
16:20 / 12.03.03
Flux, please be careful, I really don't want to know things like how the tone builds towards the end of the series. Even vague spoilers are annoying, as I've tried to keep away from all mention of the show. I *like* it to twist and turn and shock me.

See, like Fly, there's stuff I know that I really wish I didn't.

Do i take this too seriously?

*************************************

Anywaaaay... yeah, good start, nice ensemble writing and playing, one of the things I love most about The Sopranos.

And an overall point, like the way that right from episode one, we've got a really dark tone, things are going wrong all over the place.

Loved Tony's scene addressing his crew - "Frankly, I'm depressed" - as the gravy train seems to be running dry(nice touch tying it into general economic downturn), Uncle Junior's trial *and* money problems... dropping the spy/trial storyline in towards the end of the episode. Things are unravelling...

The 'chairman' speech also shows The Sopranos' ability to be subtly topical without soapboxing... also see the refs to 9/11 *not* as major political point, but in the context of everyone feeling angsty, providing backdrop to the tenseness of some of the relationships. Things feel really edgy already...

and oh, Janice, noooooooo.... not surprising but ugh... They're going to be the 'oh god, what are they going to do next' element for a good while... I'm a big Janice fan for precisely this reason...

And agree, Christopher and what's going on around him- with Adriana/her friend, the smack, his mother - which I think could be an interesting counterpoint to his 'initiation'; he's set up to be a really split personality. Which I think will be fascinating, there's so much ambiguity/possibility of ulterior motive played in right from the beginning... I'm really looking forward to seeing the rel between C and Tony develop...

Hmm, broadly agree with you, Fly, but think that Carmela's character is already pretty central again. The whole issue of being provided for, and the hidden money, was nicely played. And she's always central to Tony's rel with his family, which the dinner party scene showed in all it's 'glory'..

And right from ep.1, the therapy room space (which I always think links/contrasts with Tony and Uncle J's meetings 'at the doctor's' in a really interesting way.) and Tony's exchanges with Dr.Melfi are central again.

I've always loved this factor, it adds so much, allowing Tony to push the narrative and have big dramatic moments with speeches like the 'trust only blood' one...As well as allowing us access to a part of Tony that no-one else gets to see.

Additionally, I found Tony talking about trust, and how he trusts Dr.M, intruiging...
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
17:00 / 12.03.03
I'm very sorry, Bengali - I realize that I wasn't being as spoiler-sensitive as I could have been. I think a lot of what I wrote this morning came out of lingering defensiveness about season 4, which a lot of people didn't like at all but I love dearly. I'm just hoping that the UK audience recieves it a little better than the US audience did.

What is the broadcasting schedule for this in the UK? A new episode every Tuesday night? Next week will be "No Show", which was one of my favorites of the season.

I'm very curious about what you'll think of the pacing of the season, particular in episodes 3-7.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
11:13 / 13.03.03
On a related note...

At first glance this story doesn't reflect very well on Gandolfini, but then I noticed that HBO is now intending to go ahead with a fifth *and* sixth series... I'm pretty sure I remember that when the show started, Dabid Chase said he only intended to make four series; more recently he has certainly said he plans to end the show with season 5. Maybe everyone involved is getting a little too greedy...

But what's interesting in terms of how this may affect the show itself is that it could, I think, carry on without Tony - if Gandolfini wants out, or too much money, his character can be whacked at the start of the next series and it can be about the repercussions of his death... drifts off into fantasy scriptwriter land in which Meadow Soprano, 'La Bella Mafia', coldly guns down her rivals...
 
 
illmatic
12:11 / 13.03.03
I'm not going to add much, I'm just overjoyed it's back on. Flux, I haven't read you post cos of the potential spolier business.
Not enough meadow in it for my liking, but I'm sure she'll be kicking in soon - and Uncle Junior - yeah he din't seem half as obnoxious as usual, jsut sad: "I'm an old man and I'm going to trial. There's not much else to say about me".

And Fly - if you're feeling peckish, why not tuck into The Soprano's Cookbook?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
12:21 / 13.03.03
I've held that cookbook in my hands. It's got a few Season 4 spoilers in it, I believe, and it would no doubt make me eat far too much, but I may have to own it one day...
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
13:18 / 13.03.03
God, I really hope they don't do a sixth season. That would be very wrong. And besides, the other day on tv I saw Chase say that the fifth season is the definitive end of the story, so hopefully this whole business with Gandolfini will cement that and discourage HBO from forcing a sixth season.

Illmatic, the next episode ("No Show") features a lot of Meadow. You'll be very happy with it.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
22:34 / 18.03.03
Missed the beginning, gah. upto the first commercial break, if anyone wants to fill me in.

Great episode, all the twisting and turning I expect from chase. The Christopher storyline is developing nicely, and I totally didn't expect Adriana to get pulled as a result of the operation fucking up. Interesting point, juxtaposed with Meadow's 'morality, the self' class at the end. How far does one go, should the agent have led Christopher on, is she going to be seen as failing the cause?

Loved Adriana's response to the idea of 'explaining to Tony Soprano why you brought a federal agent to Sunday dinner'; the vomiting is incredibly viscral (and an interesting antithesis to the Sunday dinner/food glorious food aesthetic.) And the shot of Danielle, smart suit, and flecks of vomit. Great stuff. Think this illustrates the 'how dirty do you get' theme...

We also find out that the feds know all about the problems with the optical cable job. So who's their source?

But back to Christopher, who is so ambivalent about Tony it's amazing he knows which way he's facing. Facing this massive debt of gratitude(oddly there's something that reminds me of harriet vane about C.), and resenting his treatment by Tony. Behaving like an idiot, the 'wings' comment is priceless. Tthe way the 'son and heir' treatment is causing resentment, problems in the firm/the Silvio storyline, looks juicy.

The way the meadow story was worked was interesting, had been wondering if the therapy dialogue was going to be extended into the Soprano family. Am fascinated to see how this evolves.

And again, the episode continued the sensation that things are disintegrating both fronts for Tony, and that his decisions are pretty faulty. The Silvio storyline demonstrates that he's pretty out of touch with what's going on with Pauli's crew... And as yet knows nothing about the security breach.

yum yum.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
22:40 / 18.03.03
oh and lots to say about meadow, but later.

(oh, and ate delicious spaghetti while watching. I'm *so* tragic. )
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
03:35 / 19.03.03
Ah ah ah - I really wish I could have watched this for the first time with your day-after commentary, Bengali. There's a lot that I'd want to say in reaction to what you're writing, but so much of it would be tainted by the fact that I know what comes next.

There's not a lot I can say other than that the story will probably shape up a little differently than you may think it will, but I doubt that you will mind very much.

I'm not sure if this is a spoiler, it probably isn't, but that scene with Adrianna with the feds is the beginning of a recurring motif in Season 4.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
10:56 / 19.03.03
There's not a lot I can say other than that the story will probably shape up a little differently than you may think it will, but I doubt that you will mind very much

*g*

No, that's generally why I like the Sopranos, I don't bother trying to forecast too much anymore, I just it it do its stuff.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
11:48 / 19.03.03
Exactly. Even towards the end where I was guessing fairly accurately about what was going to happen next, I was still usually way off in guessing how things would happen. I think Season 4 more than the previous three seasons really plays with the audience and always giving the viewer something different than what they expected. But it always rings very true.

I'm interested in how you all react to the next episode, "Christopher". In the States, it was a very unpopular episode, and a lot of the problems that some people have with Season 4 tend to begin there. I think it's a great episode, but I can see why the episode may annoy some people.

However, knowing your interests (and by your I mean everyone but me in this thread), I think you'll quite like the episode.
 
 
illmatic
11:55 / 19.03.03
Another wonderful episode, I loved the whole stroppy Meadow thing, I thought of lots of things to say about it during the programme but know I can't remember them. Hey ho.

One thing though - I'm sure I've read this in previous reviews of the series but isn't it interesting how Dr. Melfi has been sidetracked - her role hardly seems important anymore, apart from the odd bit to move the plot along. And, BiP, you might relate to this a little, I find her theauraputic style incredibly annoying - most counselling I've encountered IRL lets the patient speak for themselves, without to much intervention on behalf on the counseller - yet she really seems to drive the sessions, she says far too much for it ring genuine at all. A side point but I thought I'd mention
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
13:23 / 19.03.03
What you say about Melfi's style is true, but one thing you should consider is that her style is probably one of the only styles of therapy that Tony could probably deal with. Tony's the kind of person who needs someone to drive the sessions, nudge him into saying things, and having some things spelled out for him. Melfi's style of therapy is definitely realistic, there are plenty of psychiatrists out there who work in a very similar way. I think it's a subjective judgement call as far as how effective that style is. I don't think it would be good for everyone, but the limited successes that Dr. Melfi has had with Tony all ring fairly true, along with some of the problems that result from it.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
17:08 / 19.03.03
Illmatic, on a personal level I find her approach incredibly annoying, I'd never go to her. But it *is* an approach that works, it's just not my bag. She's a pyschiatrist, not a counsellor, I think. Flux?

And I think it's a perfectly realistic representation of certain types of therapy. She's Dr Melfi, remember, and as in the UK, US humanistic therapists don't tend to use titles, the title and apporoach might well indicate a pyschoanalytic psychotherapist, a pyschologist, or a pyschiatry-based therapist.

The whole way that mental health, emotional responses are dealt with is one of my favourite things about this programme, its probably one of the my pyschologically 'true' fictional environments I've seen.
Realistic engagement with mental health/depression is as rare as hen's teeth, but the Sopranos really pulls it off.

And it'd be in character for Tony, having decided to go for therapy, to see an expensive pyschiatrist, as it's the most 'official'/prestigious approach. Much in the same way that it's important that Meadow is at an Ivy League school. Aren't there scenes in early episodes where he demands to see her qualifications?

Think we should get nesh down here for comments...
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
18:56 / 19.03.03
What a great episode that was. I'm still not exactly sure what a 'No Show' *is*, but ne'ermind. I meant to add to my earlier post about how much I loved the dialogue in this show - in the first episode the two highlights were Tony saying to Carmela "A) you're right, my job is very stressful..." and then trailing off before 'B)', and the whole "time immemorial" thing.

Tony: "What two businesses have traditionally been recession-proof, from time immemorial?"

Silvio: "Certain elements of showbusiness, and our thing."

On to this episode - things I loved, in a list:

Meadow's friend (Misty? great name) calling Carmela "Mrs Soap".

The basketball game between Ralphie and the other guy, during which they talk about Janice - other guy says "it's that pre-Raphaelite thing", Ralphie: "You have to admit she has an earthy quality", other guy (who has man-breasts himself): "It's the big tits".

Speaking of larger men - I was feeling bad about calling Bobby Baccala fat above, then this episode we have this exchange -
Tony: "I've been to see Bobby."
Janice: "How is he?"
Tony: "He's fat."

Christopher - a great Chrissy episode, again. His suspicion of the FBI agent, culminating in "She's a dyke!", then his coke-fuelled cringe-worthy rapping and going for the threesome - so many times during this episode I was shouting "idiot!" at Chris, and it only makes me love him more.

The male feds being as much pigs as any of Tony's crew - "I had a dream about her last night".

Carmela's crush on Furio - ahhhh, and at the same, what's that all about? He's like some smarmy footballer...

Meadow's crap counsellor, looking for the bulimia and child abuse.

Tony sitting on the dirty bowl in Meadow's room. Ah, the trials of being a parent.

Tony saying of Melfi "I'll crush her head like a watermelon", and Gandolfini hitting the right tone to make you realise he *doesn't* mean it, even though he *could* so easily mean it if he were talking about anyone else.

Tony flipping out at Meadow. No one goes from cuddly to scary like Gandolfini.

Adriana and the vomit. Poor Ade. She doesn't deserve this. The way she puked just as the fed said "You and Christopher will probably just disappear" - cos that could mean more than one thing. If I got to write the end of this show it would have Chris and Adriana sitting on a beach in Florida, having turned States, sipping cocktails whilst Chris writes his overly self-consious mobster memoirs. But that's *really* not how it's going to go down...
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
18:58 / 19.03.03
Also - Silvio and the trophy! The seeds of discontent! Silvio is really the wildcard this series...
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
19:47 / 19.03.03
Dr. Melfi is a psychiatrist. She has a PhD.

"No Show" refers to the scam that they are running on the Esplanade. It's a pretty standard mob/union corruption trick - they create a number of 'no show' jobs that come up as credible income for certain people (Christopher, for example), and they don't ever show up to work and it isn't reported. The state of New Jersey/City of Newark is paying for the Esplanade, so the taxpayers are being overcharged to line the pockets of the mobsters who are in with Zellman on this project.

Some of the people a little lower on the totem pole in Tony, Paulie, Ralph, and Johnny Sack's crews are present on the job site but are only there to run shady deals and as a formality.

That basketball scene with Ralph and Vito is hilarious - I love how Ralph is playing hard as though the big guy was in any way competing with him.

And I do love that Christopher is able to foil the FBI simply by being a horny asshole. That's genius.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
20:50 / 19.03.03
I love how Ralph is playing hard as though the big guy was in any way competing with him.

Yep, that 'one more go, c'mon' thing is *perfect* playground stuff.

And argh, the contrast between Ralphie and Janice's versions of what's going on.

I think Janice is to me what Christopher is to you, Fly!
I love her but all that overdone 'you just can't bear to see me happy, can you?' stuff when she's talking about Ralphie, for chrissakes. Cringe.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
03:41 / 20.03.03
Oooooh! You're soooooooo going to love the episodes to come, Bengali. I'm so excited for you, you're definitely going to get your fill of Janice.

And you will CRINGE!
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
13:30 / 02.04.03
Okay - so now we're a week behind in terms of commentating on the shows - I know we won't necessarily keep up but I want to try and get stuff down while I still remember it... So here are some thoughts on ‘Christopher’

The most interesting thing for me about Tony’s Gary Cooper rant at the end of the show is that in a political context, it’s anathema to me; but on a personal level, I find it very appealing. By which I mean: the idea of ‘victim culture’ is usually wheeled out by the right wing as a way of smearing anyone who’s in a minority, or is suffers as a result of inequality, as greedy, lazy whiners – and that’s clearly a large part of what Tony, who is after all an unrepentant bigot, is saying. But I think there’s another element here, a subtext which is to do with Tony’s own unease about therapy, and therapy culture. We’ve seen a couple of arguably bad shrinks recently (and we see another one arguably in ‘The Weight’, cos I always think Melfi’s shrink is a bit crap too – I always thought Melfi herself was the only half-decent shrink on the show), Janice’s shrink being the worst of all – “speak the truth, but with the compassion and respect that you’re famous for” – I cringed and laughed out loud simultaneously – how poorly can you know your patient?

Anyway, the point being, it’s interesting that Tony aims his rant about victim culture at Silvio, who he argues doesn’t really have to put up with oppression – after all, he’s a straight white guy of some means, just like Tony. I think there’s some degree of projected insecurity here, cos T is still not happy with the idea of needing therapy – he wants to be like Gary Cooper, stop whining and adapt…

Michael Imperioli scores extra points from me for naming this episode after his character and then only giving him a very minor role – I think it’s brilliantly observed that Chris is the one guy in the crew who thinks the Indians have a point and doesn’t feel aggreived/aggressive about the Columbus day protests, because it highlights the little ways in which Chris has a slightly different relationship with culture compared to the others – he’s just that little bit more modern, more cosmopolitan… And the great “He was gay, Gary Cooper?” line that that gets across the fact that he hasn’t been paying attention to, well, most of the episode.

Obviously there’s stuff to be said about Ralphie but I’ll save it for when I’m talking about last night’s ep – just to mention how amusingly crap his and Silvio’s plan to deal with the activist was; yet another comedy Ralphie outfit; his sleazy “Yes. Yes, I can see that” when the pretty young woman says she’s the activist’s “TA”…

This episode also reminded me that The Sopranos is ‘about’, amongst other things, class anxiety. That’s what all the stuff is about with the guest speaker woman who goes on about Italian-American stereotypes – I love the way she reels off stereotypical associations (food, clothes, culture) and then offers alternatives which are in fact still quite stereotypical – they’re just evocative of a well-to-do, upper middle class stereotype… Being aspirational – that’s what Tony’s doing, and it’s what the Native American casino owner is doing as well – and it’s not very pretty.

Not much to say on the newly-widowed Bobby Bacala, suspect I will do after next week though...
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
13:41 / 02.04.03
Oh - one other thing: Silvio saying to Tony at the craps table in the casino: "You had a great run, T, but now it's over". The most "aaahhh! forshadowing!" line ever, potentially (and I say this without spoilers)?
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
13:48 / 02.04.03
Very well said. That's probably the best review I've read of "Christopher", too.

There are lots of little lines like Silvio's "great run" remark - in the first or second episode, Carmella tells Tony that "everything comes to an end." There's another great line that Paulie says a little later on in the season to a similar effect.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
21:42 / 03.04.03
see, i missed that ep. and now I feel like I don't, cheers muchly, Fly.

Having said that, 'The Weight' was just fantastic, and agreeing with a friend this evening that it was everything I love about the Sopranos. Pure quality, quirky, incredibly well-written composed and acted and constantly working with and against the stereotypes of the genres it inhabits...

*Love* (as you knew I would, Flux) the way that Ralphie's becoming a pivotal character, in all his dickhead glory. And the whole plot with the insult to Jonny's wife providing J with his latest reason to flip out and be massively oversensitive, and get at Ralphies crew.

The scene where he's discussing with Tony the seriousness of the situation. Tony's not taking it very seriously, pointing at himself, Jonny points out that insults about weight are 'worse for them, they got all that self-esteem and body image stuff to worry about'.... classic Sopranos... Tony pretending he doesn't know anything about the insult, and not seeing(?) the deepening rift between Ralphie and Jonny.

Ralphie having to tell his mates that he broke it off, the classic boy-in-the-playground stuff, and excusing it by saying she was the pervert(*swoon*) and he wasn't into it at all. not at all. oh no.

The meadow/tony interaction is just superb, there's a touch of flirtation in it that's beautifully handled, and they're *so* alike. Tony getting antsy about M helping out at the Law centre, not realising that it's connected to her meeting with Melfi's shrink's dyke daughter. Melfi still coming to terms with the rape and her rel'ship with her son.

The Tony/Carmela stuff. Love as money/spending. so much there to get into. the scene where he buys her the Saks dress, and they have sex, is electrifying, her face is so expressive....

Just soooo much going on, haven't covered half of it, this series gets better and better, and nothing else on telly crams so much into an hour and still makes it believable.

Magic.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
21:59 / 03.04.03
Oh, and the whole plot around Ralphie's hit showing off the delicate balancing act under which the whole 'business' operates. First Ralphie's safe, as Carmine no-no's Jonnys request, as the Esplanade project is more important. Then he isn't when Jonny mentions that Ralphie might be taking a cut, and attempts to 'sort things out' At which point, it becomes Tony's problem, even tho' he's unwilling.

Jonny ignores Carmine's response, orders the hit, but then, seeing his wife gorging, calls off the hit at the moment when the guy's in the lift with Ralphie. It comes down to the split-second and Ralphie's blissfullly unaware.

Jonny and his wife's rel'ship.

The Rhode Island crew. urghghgh. (and the Perry Como doesn't help.)
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
22:38 / 03.04.03
That scene in the elevator with Ralph and the hitman has got to be one of the best scenes of the season. I love how that episode completely fucks with the expectations that some people have for the show - I remember when it first came out, a lot of people were genuinely upset that no one died after all of that build-up. This season doesn't do much to satisfy the audience's bloodlust. Not at first, anyway.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
06:06 / 04.04.03
I think my favourite thing about that scene is that even after he's had an unwitting brush with death, Ralphie comes sooooo close to getting himself shot anyway by asking the guy who'd originally been sent to kill him "What are you lookin' at?"...
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
23:37 / 08.04.03
Oh. My. God.

This show just gets better and better.

Off to bed, but just blown away by this weeks episode, which could be subtitled- Ralphie: what a cock, pt2.

So much goodness, will be back.

And the adriana stuff. wow.

And carmela. wow.

And the final scene, with Tony and the horse and that music.

Wow.

the best thing on TV by a mile...

(and co-obesessive was saying, though I missed it, that she'd been amazed by how Momma Soprano Janice was in the scene where she kicked Ralphie out, following on from a conversation we'd been having about how well the Sopranos works with the pyschological background of the characters, the family dynamics etc...)
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
23:45 / 08.04.03
oh, but before I forget, the Sopranos uses food better than any tv show I've ever seen. and is so good on women and men and their relationships to/investment in the preparation and eating of food.(following on from last week.)

Personally, loads of stuff I can relate to here!

Note how neither Janice nor Adriana can cook. Janice butters Bobby up with Carmela's Lasagne. (a layer of basil under the cheese. mmmmmm) And how Junior spots it instantly. How Adriana can only offer her man scrambled eggs. and then burns the butter.

Carmela's always cooking. How many of their money-based stand-offs this series have had her standing at that counter. (an early shot in this episode, leaving her framed by teh counter/square of light as Tony walks off, is perfect) Am so intrigued as to whether this will go off the boil (ho ho) when she has other interests.

And the scene with Bobby's wife last frozen meal (sorry, can't remember what it is) And bloody Janice(how I love her, right after her speech about wanting to kill herself. gah.) offering to heat it up, and we all kow instantly that she's way overstepped the mark.

"I'm not ready for that yet."
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
03:01 / 09.04.03
Wow. If you were that blown away by "Pie O My", I can't wait to see how you will react in a few weeks.

Seriously, you should start practicing deep-breathing/relaxation exercises now...
 
 
Bear
09:28 / 09.04.03
The food in the Sopranos is quite famous isn't it, you can even get -

Sopranos Cookbook

Glad to see that Tony psychiatrist is back next week, really like her character - alright then I really fancy her, happy?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
09:59 / 09.04.03
Ha ha. Crazy Horse. Heroin. An actual horse. Do you see?

Um, will post some proper thoughts on the last two episodes shortly - I have to say, I can see why this season may have pissed some people off, while at the same time, I don't agree with those people. This maybe wasn't the best episode of the season, but I still find watching an episode of The Sopranos in which not a huge amount happens (ostensibly) more enjoyable than 98% of TV...
 
 
The Natural Way
11:35 / 09.04.03
It's fucking criminal how few people post on this thread. Does Barbelith dislike the Sops? Stupido Krunts.

I wish I had the Sops Knowledge - I'd only ever watched the series sporadicaly up until season 3, so I'm not as genned. Must get the fuckers on DVSte sometime.

Fly: Yes! I'd made exactly the same observations about Chris. Y'know the wonderful thing about the Sopranos is its subtlety, which, in a series about gangsters and biiiig tagliatelle, is quite an achievement. There's so much delicacy in Chase's handling of character... Lovely. And this:

'“speak the truth, but with the compassion and respect that you’re famous for” – I cringed and laughed out loud simultaneously – how poorly can you know your patient?'

True as fuck! I always knew Tone and the boyce were funny, but it wasn't till I sat down w/ lil Sis and got reeeally stoned before watching it, that the Sops laffs came pouring out. I think I pissed myself all the way through the "compassion and respect" ep.

Can't wait till next week - I've watched every episode of this series so far on E4, but, as of next Tuesday, I'm in the dark (on this note, I'm shocked how few 'Lithers seem to have satellite, considering all the Buffy, Angel, 24 and Sops fans out there). Couldn't help flicking between last night's show and 'Point Break' on Sky. Gotta love Bigelow's ridiculous hard-cock homo-erotic acksheeearn. Slashers NEED that movie!
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
14:44 / 09.04.03
Okay, here are my notes from last week's episode (I'm so bad at getting round to finishing this sort of stuff):

‘The Weight’ seemed to be almost nothing BUT foreshadowing: Johnny Sack couldn’t keep his family and ‘business’ life separate, and look at the huge potential consequences that stemmed from a tiny, offhand, personal remark. You look at the apparent insignificance of that trigger, and then you think about what a minefield Tony’s family life is (all their personal lifes are, really). There are so many potential ways in which something could blow up and put Tony in a deeply fucked-up situation. Most obvious being Carmela and Furio, followed probably by Ralphie and, y’know, everything/one he touches. I found it quite chilling that even though he can’t stand Ralphie personally and has been friends with Johnny for years, he was willing to have Johnny whacked once Carmine gave the order. How… professional. Of course, the huge irony is that Johnny's feelings for/about his wife are probably the most likeable aspect of his character we've seen...

Other brief thoughts on specific characters in this episode:

Christopher – feel the sting of irony as he says “You never know, T.” His and Silvio’s scene with the elderly hitmen and their creepy house was also priceless.

Ralphie – oooh, so close, Ralphie, so close. I’m wondering if there’s more to this stuff about Ralphie being a “foppy cocksucker” (some of his outfits are fantastic, or fantastically bad, or both) and being into the kinky stuff than just comedy value – it’s telling that he’s worried enough about the possibility of what he and Janice got up to getting out that he pre-empts this by telling his crew the dildo/role-play stuff was her idea and that he was so averse to it that he broke it off with her (whereas in fact the implication in ‘Christopher’ was that even his last girlfriend had to cater to Ralphie’s “needs). He’s also, of course, an idiot for slagging off his boss’ sister – he’ll never learn…

AJ was just great comic relief – “I’m so bored I feel like crying”, locking the kid in the garage.

Furio himself - he’s kinda sweet in a dumb way (like a more innocent Tony? Would explain a lot) – “my hands in the earth, the smell of olives” – he’s like someone out of ‘Allo, ‘Allo! – but there’s one moment where he’s genuinely really sweet to Bobby Bacala.

When Carmine says “Is it safe?”, was that a deliberate Marathon Man reference?

Junior again brilliant in his brief scenes. Wearing a suit for the sit-down in which no-one can see him, not realising Johnny stormed out the room – and then his conversation with Tony, with the anvil-like foreshadowing of Who Wants To Be A Millionaire? – “he used all his lifelines by the fifth question!”

Tony’s brand of racism is very well handled, I think – what a contrast with NYPD Bleu, which was on afterwards, in which Sipovitz is a hero for managing to channel his bigotry so that he only verbally and physically abuses black criminals, which is fiiiine! I found that Meadow’s ability to rib him about his job in a way that was still pointed, yet didn’t lead to an argument, was actually a very accurate representation about what conversations with your parents which raise big issues you disagree on can be like.

NB: I am reaching that point in the season where not looking at spoilers is an unbelievably challenging act of restraint.
 
  

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