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Not Anarchism???

 
 
Taliesyn
01:50 / 05.03.03

For some reason I always thought Ronald Reagan's quote "government is not the solution to the problem: government is the problem" was a clear show of support for anarchism, just recently I have been told this is not the case. It was like the time I was told Fascism is not a hatred of religion. I dont know where I pick up these crazy ideas...
Could anyone explain to me what this quote actually refers to?
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
08:30 / 05.03.03
I don't know for sure, but I think it's a version of the classic right-wing liberal idea that the state, especially the socialist/left-wing idea of the state, interferes with people's lives and freedoms - by taxing them too much and by regulating society. Taxation being the more important of the two, obviously. This was the view espoused by Reagan and Thatcher during the eighties, and it's also the kind of thing which libertarians believe. Obviously this doesn't really equate to there being a lack of government at all, and it's riddled with hypocrisies, but then again what political philosophy isn't in practice...
 
 
L__H__X
10:05 / 05.03.03
this is more a support for "anarcho"-capitalism, i don't think that someone like reagan would question his "right" to enslave others.
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
10:13 / 05.03.03
Well, I don't think it is really anarchic at all - isn't the classic prescription for liberal conservatism economic freedom combined with socially restrictive, reactionary policies. I suppose you might make a case that economic freedom has led to a state of quasi-anarchy wherein big business can act outside the parameters of government, but I still think that the international reach of certain corporations and their ability to manipulate international bodies to their own agendas means that capitalist anarchy is a misnomer.
 
 
Jack Fear
12:22 / 05.03.03
The "problem" that Reagan was referring to was the economy: he believed that the government had no place regulating business dealings, and should get back to doing what it does best—policing the private lives of individuals.
 
 
GODSA ssassin
13:38 / 05.03.03
Though I can't support it with specifics, I am certain that Jack is dead on. Ronnie is likely speaking towards laissez faire capitalism. Reagan would never have wanted any federal meddling in the corporate gang-bang of consumers. Any taxes he was cutting or speaking against would have been caught up in his "trickle-down" economics policy.

And to think I voted for that prick in a kindergarten mock election...
 
 
GODSA ssassin
14:33 / 05.03.03
On laissez faire:

Site: The Sovereign Individual's guide to the Free Digital Economy

and

Essay:
Laissez Faire as it regards human population values

[disclaimer]First attempt at posting links. As I am an intellectually-irresponsible twat, I haven't fully read or researched these pages.[/disclaimer]
 
 
glassonion
16:13 / 05.03.03
terrified of a bureaucrat those cowboys. show 'em a chap with red skin and he'll kill all afternoon, ask him to fill in a form first and he'll leave the movie set, put on a suit and become president sos he can kill all the redskins he wants without anyone making him sign a bit of paper he doesn't want to. how glad am i ronnie, that your brain rots upon its own sick stick.
 
 
grant
17:42 / 05.03.03
Bear in mind Ronald Reagan was a former John Birch Society member (if my sources don't lie), and they're a bunch of libertarians.
 
 
GODSA ssassin
18:46 / 05.03.03
While we're bearing ideas in mind, one that should not be overlooked is the etymological overtaking of the term "libertarian" by political groups such as The John Birch Society. Those individuals whose behaviors and philosophies are commonly considered simple anarchism originally chose the descriptor social-libertarian. Unfortunately, these more egalitarian-minded socialists lost the term to those who favored a free-enterprise take on the reduction of government.
 
 
glassonion
18:58 / 05.03.03
they're welcome to 'libertarian' because it chimes so well with 'libertinage', the word i've been using lately for the bad things that occur when the freedom of personal choice involves making choices that never or rarely do any good for anyone else.
 
 
Jack Fear
22:11 / 05.03.03
Bear in mind Ronald Reagan was a former John Birch Society member...

Yeah, and Richard Nixon was allegedly a practicing Quaker. What's your point?
 
  
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