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moriarty
23:02 / 04.03.03
I'm on break from school and I still can't escape animation. In the last few days I have received the Mickey Mouse in Black and White 2-disc set, Lilo and Stitch, a Chuck Jones retrospective and a book that lists all the Looney Tunes shorts. So, I've decided to take a small break from viewing these treasures throw out some random thoughts on the subject here.



Animation is without a doubt the hardest thing I have ever tried to accomplish. Everytime I think I have a scene nailed down, I'm reminded of yet one more thing that I've forgotten. Watching most cartoons these days, I see them almost completely differently then I did before. I can still enjoy them on the level of pure entertainment, but when I actually stop and think about what I'm seeing, I catch my breath and realize that I could keep at this for ten years and still not come even close to the artistry I see on the screen.

On the flipside, it stuns me how so much effort goes into the actual animation even when the story is garbage. This applies to most Disney films. I can't stand the majority of Disney cartoons as stories, but as animation they rock with an iron fist. The sense of weight, the subtle timing, the almost subliminal affectations that they imbue the characters with. It saddens me to see that many of the animators spent years cultivating wonderful images only to have them butchered. All my teachers work in the industry, and they're all resigned to the fact that they're working on trash, despite being able to accomplish so much more. I try to watch the cartoons they work on, but more often than not I can't stand them for more then a few minutes.



I hope that it doesn't seem that I'm simply nostalgic for old theatrical cartoons and share the disdain for television animation that my teachers have. My ambition is to use limited animation in new ways, like Samurai Jack. Most of what I'm being taught won't be directly applicable to what I want to do, but it's still worthwhile. This is probably the first time I've actually felt knowledge accumulating and changing the way I perceive the world. It's very empowering.

My teachers have also commented on their dislike for anime, which I know many people here (including myself) enjoy. They seem to have problems with the limited animation seen in most anime. This got me thinking about the differences between anime and north american animation. Is there really a difference, or at least one that is discernable? So many people I know fall into either camp, accepting one but not enjoying the other at all. My brother and I were talking about this, and though we agreed that there seemed to be a difference, we couldn't really define what that difference was.



Sorry if I'm being a bore. Though I've talked about theory and mechanics and stuff, please feel free to talk about anything cartoon related. For instance, reading through that Looney Tunes book is reminding me of all sorts of cartoons I haven't seen since I was a child. These days the only Looney Tunes you're likely to be able to find are the ones with the major characters, but there are so many one-shots and minor characters out there. Like Sam the Sheepdog and Ralph Wolf, who are friends off-duty but become antagonists when the workday whistle blows, until they punch out at the end of the day. Or "Much Ado about Nuttin'" with the squirrel trying to bust open the coconut. Or Ralph Philips, or the Porky/Sylvester team-ups, or Pussyfoot and Marc Antony, or...
 
 
Eloi Tsabaoth
23:38 / 04.03.03
Ah yes, I love cartoons, animation, the whole kit and caboodle. I too love the old Looney Tunes cartoons, Chuck Jones and Tex Avery's work in particular (Some of the more obscure stuff can be occasionally caught on the satellite/digital channel 'Boomerang'). I'm also in deep love with many modern TV series. Big guns like Simpsons, Futurama, King of the Hill and t' Powerpuff Girls, underappreciated gems like The Big Knights and Home Movies.
Animation can have raw energy and great beauty at the same time, can mix fantasy and realism with no discernable join, and I find it can make you believe in a character more than live action can. I find it hard to separate Dan Castallaneta the voice from Homer Simpson the man. Maybe I'm a little crazy. Maybe I'm a delusional fantasist who right now is wearing 3 fingered white gloves. But I'm not mad, I was just drawn this way...
Favourite obscure Looney Tunes cartoon- The one where Daffy and Porky are Dragnet detectives in the future, reusing old backgrounds from Duck Dodgers...
 
 
Tamayyurt
04:09 / 05.03.03
I used to be a total cartoon nut. And now I hardly watch any. My favorites were Duck Tales, Tale Spin, Darkwing Duck (um, basically anything with a duck or a tale...) And of course Batman and Superman adventures. Now, I find very little joy in animation... it's all Pokemon, and Yu-Gi-Oh! (who, in terms of character design is brilliant and sexy... I mean he even wears eyeliner, but I find cartoons about kids getting worked up about a card game boring.) And Justice League just plain sucks... it's not written or animated as well as the other too and everyone is severely depowered and dumbed down. The only cartoon I still watch religiously is Samurai Jack. I simply can't express the greatness of this cartoon. It's really the only animated show that can do silence really well. Aku is just fantastic.

moriarty- When you do get around your Jenny Everywhere short... think Samurai Jack.
 
 
CameronStewart
09:30 / 05.03.03
Are those your animation drawings above, Moriarty? If so, nice work! She goes a bit rubberwonky in the last two frames but the walk cycle is looking sharp.

Wisest summation of animation I've heard (but I sadly can't recall the source): "Animation is not about drawings that move. It's about movements that are drawn."

I'm saddened by Disney's output of the last decade or so - as you say, there's so much incredible artistry involved but the films simply aren't entertaining at all. Even Lilo and Stitch, which was lauded as their best film in a long time, I found to be a crushing bore. (and now they seem to be determined to piss all over their history by systematically churning out shitty, unnecessary sequels to all of their back catalogue). Worse still is the entirely erroneous and short-sighted assumption by "The Suits" that the poor performance of recent traditionally-animated films must be because hand-drawn animation is passe, and that CGI is the way forward. And so now we're going to get a bunch of shitty CGI movies like Shrek 2.

I have a serious, blood-boiling hate for Shrek. Hatehatehatehatehatecrushkilldestroy.

More later after sleep.
 
 
moriarty
12:21 / 05.03.03
The quote is by Norman McLaren. I've been reading a book on Canadian animation recently.

Yes, that's mine. Thanks! It didn't turn out as well as I expected, but I'll be mucking about with it over the break. The distortion is deliberate. I was trying to throw in a bit more stretch and squash, get a kind of slapstick, Goofy thing going. But just because it's intentional doesn't mean it worked. What're you going to do?

I liked Lilo and Stitch, but I can see where you'd find it boring. There were so many unnecessary characters and plot lines, as well as big lulls in the story that dragged it down. Still, what works does so wonderfully. Love those watercolour backgrounds.

Gah! Disney's cheapquels piss me off. There's about five of them previewed on the Lilo and Stitch dvd. I watched them straight through. I like to torture myself sometimes. Walt would be disgusted.

I think CGI is like anything else in that you're going to have lots of bad trailing the good. And just like everything else you're going to have people who think that one form is going to replace the other. I think CGI is still in it's infancy, and someday we're going to see some really wonderful work, especially when studios stop trying to imitate real life quite so closely and start applying decades old techniques of animation. Brad Bird (Iron Giant) is working with Pixar now. I can't wait. Oh, and fuck Shrek.

The great thing about any art form is that even if you don't like what is currently going on you can always delve into the past, especially with home video. People 30 years ago didn't have that advantage.

I love Samurai Jack. Each episode blows my mind, and is what I hoped I would one day accomplish with limited animation, but know now I probably wouldn't. I doubt Jenny will be in the style of Samurai Jack since I already have something else in mind. Though hopefully it will have the same kind of minimalism where something is moving very rapidly and suddenly while everything else is placid.

One of my favourite Daffy/Porky pairings is the Sherlock Holmes parody, Deduce You Say, just for the one bit.

"Name?"
"Shropshire Slasher."
Occupation?"
"Shropshire Slasher."

Chuck Jones did the best goons. I found a lengthy article by John K. (Ren and Stimpy) where he talks about Jones' goons, and how they could be funny standing still.
 
  
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