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Some hallucination I recently experienced...

 
 
23chao5
15:16 / 03.03.03
Just thought I'd submit this because I have no idea what was going on when this happened. I was lying down on my bed, my roommate still in the room chatting quietly with a friend. Suddenly I sat up and in front of me saw a giant white cloud/ball-of-light about the size of an air-conditioner (not that shape, just that size) that looked very milky and had a lot of little tendrils waving around. I then turned to my friend, and as I was half asleep, said "I just saw a white cloud floating in front of me, I think it emanated from the part of my mind where language begins to perceive itself," and laid back down.

I remember this all, and distinctly remember the very half-awake state I was in as I said this, as does my friend. (The only difference being, of course, he didn't see any white ball.)

So, any fun things I can make of this? What might a white milky tendril'd ball cloud be?
 
 
reFLUX
19:13 / 03.03.03
it was probably a part of your mind/brain talking to you.
 
 
23chao5
22:58 / 03.03.03
it was probably a part of your mind/brain talking to you.

I kind of figured as much, but wonder more what it was saying rather than who it was that was saying it.
 
 
gravitybitch
02:22 / 04.03.03
Interesting. That sounds like stuff from the hypnagogic state of mind... Often useful, but sometimes just really weird. (I tend just to get voices, and they usually don't make sense - it's worse than catching snippets of conversation in a crowded restaurant).

Anyway, a very superficial analysis makes this out to be a pretty self-contained event. At face value - mind is a pretty amorphous concept (as opposed to brain, which has a visual description, location, mass and dimension, and all that) and fits the cloudy/milky ball-of-light pretty well. Language perceiving itself is a recursive phenomenon which I would tend to illustrate with arrows/tendrils - also a nice fit.

As far as a broader meaning, I don't know. Have you recently done a bit more self-analysis, introspective digging around? Or do you feel that this sort of behavior might be useful (or especially scary??)?

Why might your mind be pointing out language and its use in analysis, self analysis?
 
 
23chao5
03:15 / 04.03.03
Have you recently done a bit more self-analysis, introspective digging around? Or do you feel that this sort of behavior might be useful (or especially scary??)?

I would say in many ways I've been doing certain types of analysis and always do, but I've noticed a tendency for these analyses to be very goal-oriented and therefore foggy as of late. This is of course because lately some of my deeper ego-traps and fears have kind of been rising up--those about good romantic relationships and lack-thereof, general low self-esteem, etc. Stuff I definitely dealt with a lot until the past few years when meditation, magick, and all that really got me out of that hole quite a bit. This little "relapse" is not unusual and is not nearly as strong as it was back in my very depressed days, but tends to bring out my old ways of dealing with it--analysis and struggle and trying to find the right thing to do differently in order to change my situation--rather than changing my mind.

In all the tarot readings I've been doing since this year began I've been getting tons of cups, swords, and the Tower shows up quite regularly. Last time I did a spread, using the Crowley deck/spread I got The Tower, Art, and Lust in the upper left...

The days following said White Ball incident I travelled quite a bit, got a little depressed and worn out and have since been in a bit of a rut, though getting through it.

Why might your mind be pointing out language and its use in analysis, self analysis?

Just to give a potential answer--if the ball of light represents mind as you suggested (I definitely tend to associate it with mind, especially the purified potential of mind) and I was viewing it hovering outside of me as though it was separate from me, perhaps this is pointing to a general issue of me doing a bit too much division/analysis and not enough feeling-at-home-where-I-am, so to speak.

Of course, when I first said "Emanates where language perceives itself" I felt a distinct feeling that I meant perception in a conscious sense... as though language itself were becoming sentient and alive. Whether this is a DMT-McKenna reference or one pointing to an issue of creating a sort of force (good or bad) out of analytical thought, who knows.

Oh, and as for the hypnagogic thing, yeah, I was definitely sleepy enough for it to come out of that, but unlike a lot of other hypnagogic imagery my eyes were open and it was floating in the room. So either A) my hypnagogic imagery reproduced the entire room in my mind (this wouldn't be the first time) B) this is a bit more powerful hypnagogic imagery that just snuck itself into my normal vision due to my exhaustion C) There was actually a white ball in the room that only I could see. (Hmm, these aren't mutually exclusive options, are they? hehe)
 
 
gravitybitch
16:20 / 05.03.03
if the ball of light represents mind as you suggested .. and I was viewing it .. as though it was separate from me, perhaps this is pointing to a general issue of me doing a bit too much division/analysis

Well, sure... (speaking as a fellow overanalyzer, I understand completely. I'm working on treating my tendencies to live in my head as part of me - "this is what I do, it isn't going to change, but it doesn't have to prevent me from exploring other ways of being" ... being "at home" with what appears to be part of my core structure.)

Another way of looking at this is to consider that the image was just a way of focusing your attention - if "mind" was not presented as separate from you, how would you have seen it?

language itself were becoming sentient and alive
Bingo! In my cosmology, it already is... I'm convinced of the correctness of the view that "consciousness" was the First Thing in the universe, and that it manifested matter (can't remember all the proponents of this veiwpoint, but Nick Herbert is in there along with Peter Russell and a couple of very serious physicists) rather than the other way around - that consciousness arises from and is dependent on a particular arrangement of molecules/matter. First, there was The Word and all that....

I'm intrigued by the thought that you have the sentient being of "language" alive and residing within your mind. Does it feel like an alien presence/Other? Or is it a semi-autonomous subunit of Self? Or a connection/hardwired link to the vast Language and Mind that we're all a part of (are we semi-autonomous subunits?)? How does this fit into your cosmology?
 
 
23chao5
20:24 / 05.03.03
I'm intrigued by the thought that you have the sentient being of "language" alive and residing within your mind. Does it feel like an alien presence/Other? Or is it a semi-autonomous subunit of Self? Or a connection/hardwired link to the vast Language and Mind that we're all a part of (are we semi-autonomous subunits?)? How does this fit into your cosmology?

Well, just to be speculative and creative, perhaps just extending the meme metaphor with a bit of a Leary-esque twist, just as DNA is a fundamental living force that permeates all living being and one can access this fundamental awareness through psychedelic use/extensive meditative/yogic exercises, then perhaps so too might memes merely be units of thought that are fundamentally living parts of the Mind-space of the universe. Perhaps within the information medium memes correspond to basic units of conscious being that at higher levels form conscious beings such as ourselves, and perhaps at higher levels form the tendencies that create gods and other interpretable beings that seem to arise out of some fundamnetal interactions between humans and their environments. Using this particular model then I think karma/reincarnation can be interpreted as the tendency of meme groupings to flow coherently and reappear elsewhere in time, just as in The Invisibles time/space is a fractal and patterns occur. If this model is extended further then perhaps reincarnation takes a new shape now that our world is so connected that memes spread and die at a higher pace.

Perhaps one meme-complex-being doesn't have to die to create another but transmission can occur and create new ones through the electronic means we have that spread ideas out like crazy.

This kind of reminds me of something I told a friend the other day--that if we consider memes as having to live in a variety of environments and attempt to evolve and change, then popular media, corporations, etc... all the things that try to make our world uniform are narrowing the memepool and thus allowing less creative innovation and evolution... for the moment anyway. Chaos always finds its way in.

Boy is this getting tangential. I'm sure that doesn't matter, though.
 
  
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