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Misleading dream messages... and an overeacting imagination

 
 
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03:05 / 25.02.03
H’mm, talk about REALLY overreacting to a dream message.

I’ve been depressed recently, especially over winter break. I was examining my life and I realized that I was 22 years old, almost done with college, yet I’ve never had a boyfriend, never had sex with anyone, never even gone on a date or held hands with someone or kissed someone in an intimate manner. In short, I was (and still am) desperately single. To beat the point home a close on-line friend of mine who lives far away from me has recently found love with another boy, and, while I’m very happy for my on-line friend and glad he’s hooked up with such a nice boyfriend, I can’t help but be reminded of my own situation. My home state, Rhode Island, is quite a small state (no duh) and the gay scene here is severely lacking, though I usually try to avoid scenes anyway. Going to clubs and bars is definitely not my thing. I tried on-line dating but that was a disaster. And the enrollment at my college is 70% female, so there are hardly any gay male students at all. In fact I’m the only (born) male member of the campus gay-straight alliance. I was pondering maybe launching a sigil to get a boyfriend, but it’s something I desire so badly no way I’d be able to forget about it, plus it brings up ethical questions I’d rather not think about at the moment, my life being hectic enough as it is.

During winter break, I knew during the upcoming spring semester I’d be attending a creative writing course. I thought to myself, gee, wouldn’t it be cool if you’d fall in love with a fellow creative writing student, and he’d be the guy you’ve always dreamed you’d fall in love with? Rather then just fantasize about it, I decided to write a short story about it. I believe in the idea that what you write can happen in reality, in fact quite a bit of the stuff I’ve written in my old stories has come true in the future. A Burroughsian type of magic, eh? So I wrote a short story where I was the main character. On the first day of the writing class I wrote about an attractive, intelligent boy (who was also gay) sitting next to me, and during the upcoming classes we’d start to fall in love, starting with him liking my stories a lot.

Eventually the spring semester started. On the first day of writing class (the class had 8 students and the teacher) I took my seat early and waited for the class to begin. Then HE walked in and sat down next to me, just like I had written. He was my height and cute, though not so cute as to be out of my league. His hair was red and he looked (and his voice sounded a bit) like Tyler Durden, which was a turn on. Dressed kinda alternatively. Not much happened in the first class though.

In the second class we all had to introduce our names and say 3 things about us (I said that I liked cats, avant-garde electronic music, and the occult). I found out his name and some more stuff about him. He had a great sense of humor that appealed to me. That class I had to hand out a short story that the class would read over the week, write a one-page response to, and it would be work shopped the next week. My story was about a cynical gay quasi-punk writer named Dylan(who looked like Spider Jerusalem) who hates fairy tales. But one night he gets a call from his landlord, an old queen he can’t stand (Harold Royal) asking him to save his adopted daughter Princess, a drag queen, from her abusive boss, Camilla, an evil female impersonator known as the Dragon, who owns a nightclub. So Dylan walks around the city’s Red Light District, passing by homeless people doing the I-Ching and ruminating on the art of writing and city magic and Machine Elves before he gets to the drag club, called The Cave. There, he tries to convince The Dragon to let Princess off her shift early, but the Dragon refuses. Then Princess appears, tasers the dragon, and Dylan escorts her home, where she makes him rethink some of his cynical attitudes towards the gay mainstream (attitudes that reflect my personal opinion, but I wanted 2 sides presented). Dylan drops her home then writes a story about how much he hates fairy tales and that no one lives happily ever after.

I was worried about the workshop, but the class loved the story, calling it very post-modern (I like post-modernism). The student I had a crush on liked my story a lot too, he said hi to me at the start of the class and in his response to me he said he identified with Dylan cuz he too was an “Outsider fag”. My heart leapt: I wasn’t the only outsider fag in the class! He even knew about Siouxsie & the Banshees and Throbbing Gristle and stuff like that! It was like a dream that had come true. For the first time in 4 years I was in a serious crush. Was this the guy I had been waiting years to find? Would he be my night in shining armor? Would we live happily ever after?

Erm, NO! Class after that I found out he was living with a partner. And thus endeth the romance story (hey, I don’t remember writing that part!) My heart felt like it had been ripped out of my chest and used as a suppository. That’s what I got for letting myself fall in love with someone. Now I know why I hate fairy tales so much. I became depressed again.

That’s the back-story. Here’s the dream: The dream happened a few nights ago. In the dream I was on a staircase in a campus building. At one point the stairway halted and the stairs that led to the upper floor was separated by a gap, a gap that led stories downward. At first I was going to leap across, but then I chickened out and took another route to the upper floor. I came to my writing class, which was now a CD/boom store. Before class the teacher let us browse the books and CDs. I browsed but couldn’t find what I was looking for, which frustrated me. Then we all sat at the big table, only my ex-crush sat across from me rather then at my side and stared at me in a disconcerting manner the whole time, which made me uneasy. After class I was walking along the quad, brooding, when a really cute boy who looked like Ste from “Beautiful Thing” approached me and gripped my arm. He led me into an alcove and stood close to me, so close our faces were nearly touching. For a moment I thought he would kiss me (wishful thinking, even in my own dreams I’m never kissed) and I would have kissed him had I been in control. He gripped my arm and asked how long had I been in college, so I said 5 years. He then said he knew an anarchist boy who would be a perfect match for me, and that this anarchist boy was a bottom, which pleased me as, even though I’m a virgin, I feel I’d be more comfortable on top. He then whispered into my ear that he was a messenger, and that he would tell me the boy’s e-mail address, and that it was VERY IMPORTANT I remember the e-mail and get in contact with the boy. His lower lip brushed my ear and I shivered, the feelings were so realistic… Then he wrote the e-mail on a piece of paper: saracream@aol.com. I saw the e-mail JUST as I woke up.

When I woke up I groaned, it was like Baudelaire’s poem where the poet has a beautiful dream then wakes up in a depressing reality. But I remembered the dream, which was odd as I usually forget dreams, except vivid ones, like the Frodo Sam hobbit porn one. So I wrote down what happened and the e-mail address, remembering William Gibson’s “Mona Lisa Overdrive” where the character Mona gets a dream image that’s important.

That day at work my mind went in overdrive thinking about the dream (work is boring). Was the e-mail address real? Did it belong to a gay anarchist boy? Had he sent that messenger into my dream to get into contact with me? Was there a secret organization of gay anarchist witches in my small boring town that I wasn’t aware of, and they were looking for a new member (more wishful thinking). I’ve been reading too much Burroughs I guess. Then I really took a creative leap: The latest story I wrote for the writing class was about a bored female supermarket employee (I am not female but I work at a supermarket), who writes a story about herself falling in love with an employee who turns out to be part of a rebel cell, hoping that by writing it out it’ll happen, who falls in love with a cute cashier, who turns out to be the member of a secret anarchist cell known as the Punk-Modernists. They work in a mushroom shaped tower like the Crack in “The Filth” and use chaos magic to fight against the president, who is an ordained member of the church of Satan and plans to evoke Satan at the pentagon using corpses from a new reality TV show called “Survivor Auschwitz”. I ends with the female employee (modeled after me)slaying the president with words on her laptop and kissing the male employee as world peace occurs. The story was 23 pages, had 23 references to 23, and it even made references to memes and fiction suits, AIDS conspiracy theory, Freemasons, etc. something that wouldn’t raise an eyebrow here but might be odd for your average student.

I thought to myself… what if that that student I have a crush on… what if he IS part of some anarchist cell and he was just waiting to see if I’d be a good member? What if there really WAS a group called the Punk-Modernists and this was how they recruited new agents, by the stories they wrote in college creative writing courses? Had he read my story then appeared to me in a dream with that e-mail? Was the e-mail part one of the initiation? Maybe he was a member of the Invisibles! Maybe it WAS all real!

Then I got my head out of the clouds and actually tried the e-mail. Guess what? The e-mail address didn’t even exist. So much for the very important message. If I see that cute messenger in a dream again I’ll defenestrate him.

I think I’ve been getting a little too much into the Illuminatus Trilogy, which I began reading recently. I’ve been obsessed with secret societies and conspiracy theories ever since.

Ah well, at least I have a name for that female porn actress I was having trouble naming in a story I’m working on: Sara Cream.

Well, at least my imagination is still vivid.

So now it turns out I’m not getting initiated into an all-male gay anarchist witch coven. And the best chance I had at getting a boyfriend in the last 4 years has been shot down. And I’m still depressed and feel like I’ll be forever single. Still, I guess if you can find humor in these things it’s worth it. My life is starting to resemble Bronski Beat lyrics. “Smalltown Boy”: Run away run away run away…:P

Bottom line? Don’t take things that happen in your dreams too seriously I guess.

And fairy tales really are bullshit.
 
 
Nietzsch E. Coyote
04:26 / 25.02.03
wow.

Sounds like the writing is going well. Thank god you have such an overactive imagination. I've been having weird dreams of being recruited into anarchist cells myself, no such luck in reality though. I figured it was because I just re-read the invisibles.
 
 
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12:43 / 25.02.03
Well, it's been about a year since I discovered The Invisibles so obviously that comic had a huge effect on me.

It also doesn't help that, in the last year or so, I've been reading Crowley, Peter J. Carroll, Phil Hine, Philip K. Dick, Susan Blackmore, Terrence McKenna, Stanislav Grof, Guy DeBord, The Principia Discordia and now, Robert Anton Wilson, all writers I would probably never have read were it not for the Invisibles. So, my mind has been fucked up pretty good due to this information overload.

On the other hand, as a writer I do feel more inspired then ever, and the writer's block that plagued me for some time is now gone. Maybe it just takes a few mindwarping books to spark my creative flame.
 
 
Tamayyurt
16:30 / 25.02.03
Story vs. Sigil

I've done both and the problem with the story was that it was so specific... I want to meet a guy here. That it didn't give the, um, powers that be(?) any room to maneuver. They did the best they could... you got what you wanted sorta but it was short lived (or rather arrived stillborn) A sigil with the intent, "I will meet the guy I need and we will hit it off beautifully." would probably work better. A friend of mine had also never been kissed or in any sort of relationship. She asked me to do a sigil for her and 3 months later she's in a great relationship with a chick that's helped her grow a lot. You're worried about ethical issues but if you keep it general it's not like you're manipulating an individual that otherwise wouldn't look at you. try the sigil. Don't even try to forget it... just know that it's going to be done.

By the way, that story sounds great.
 
 
Babooshka
16:54 / 25.02.03
Bottom line? Don’t take things that happen in your dreams too seriously I guess. – Sypha Nadon

Another way of putting this is to not take your dreams quite so literally...dreams tend to use a great deal of symbolic imagery, and what seems to be usually isn't.

Cheers on the writing though! The whole point of dreams and imagination is to provide fuel for your creativity. Keep on being creative, and the fine young men will come of their own accord. You'll see.
 
 
23chao5
18:37 / 25.02.03
I just wanted to post that I had a very prominent series of syncrhonicities with this thread. I was talking to a friend online as the Magick forum loaded... talking about a girl I was into who currently had a boyfriend, that I was always generally stuck in that situation, but that she had recently told me I'd been in all of her dreams one night. Right as I typed this I glanced over to see the topic "Misleading dream messages..." so I of course followed up.

Then, Sypha, your general post resonated with me in many ways... it's definitely been a while since I've had a girlfriend and those I'd had were shortlived and of little intimacy, I am also almost out of college, I would definitely be down with an anarcho-occultist chick (that's a little much to hope for in some ways, I think) etc. etc. Anyway, I was reading and as I scrolled to "Here’s the dream:" the song in my mp3 player--Strawberry Fields--came to the lyric "You know I know when it's a dream" with the word "dream" coinciding EXACTLY with when I read it. Oh, and of course another trend you described occurs to me as well--in my dreams I never seem to go all that far with the dream-girls... the dreams are always cut short or something weird happens.

So, in conclusion, there's a secret telepathic network of single outsider-occult folk who are mutually in the same perpetual situation waiting for "initiation" to happen but often being fed stillborn results (...to use a nice image there).

Actually, at least for me, I've been theorizing a bit and just assuming that despite the tons of progress I've made over the years of becoming much more confident and socially-adept (although still in many ways an outsider at heart) that I still have some internal unconscious self-dislike or lack of confidence or fear or what-have-you. Perhaps just some deep down assumptions that I can't get girls, therefore making a bunch of self-fulfilling prophecies.

So I was planning on doing a few things myself--one was to write down a whole bunch of general self-loathing, stuff I would've done in high school, complaining about my problems, why things never work out, why I suck, etc. Then once that was done, take it and do a Burroughs-esque cut-up of it and rearrange it to spell out positive things and successes instead. Then perhaps charge this entire paper and destroy it.

The other was simply to initiate a bit more chaos into my routines. Today I had interesting success in a cafeteria visualizing myself as a giant chaos sphere... in other words just breaking out, meeting new people, getting out out out of old patterns. etc.

So, in real conclusion, I totally empathize... hehe
 
 
Babooshka
19:00 / 25.02.03
Yeah, there is something delightfully synchronous about this thread...I've been getting some rather powerful dream messages recently about another person needing my help, and it's left me rather upset and confused. Do I act on the information provided by these dreams as they come? Do I attempt to decode and decipher the dream images as symbol? Is it all just senses working overtime, extranneous brain nonsense to be ignored?

So I saw this thread and thought, "AHA! I'm not the only one freaking out over my dreams!"
 
 
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03:41 / 26.02.03
Well, my stories tend to be very specific as I focus on the details a great deal.

23chaos5, I myself am an outsider. When I was in high school I was very shy and quiet. In college I came out of my shell a little bit, that's when I knew for sure I was gay and when I started to get into experimental music and William S. Burroughs and avant-garde writing and eventually the Invisibles. I guess joining the campus gay straight alliance helped in that aspect, though ironically I joined at first to get a boyfriend, but as the years went by it was the political activism that interested me, the only problem is that they are my ONLY friends, I have no friends outside of college. It takes me a LONG time to open up to people and express my feelings. I'm one of those people who can express their feelings best in their artwork, I guess, but I have trouble doing that kind of thing face to face unless I'm familiar with the person.

I wouldn't say I have self-dislike of myself, in terms of appearance I'm just kinda blah looking, not ugly but not attractive either, just a skinny (with a slight paunch in my stomach area, damn junk food!)pale kid who dresses in black and carries about him an air of morbidness (one of my on-line friends said I had a necropuppy look, which was a term I liked). Sometimes I get discouraged that so many of the gay men I've met (small number) are the Gucci-wearing, club-going type I don't care for. And so many are looking for the abercrombie porn type, and I don't have a flat chest or a hairless body or blonde hair or a large dick (and frankly, I wouldn't want any of those qualities anyway, though I suppose having a hairless body makes crossdressing a bit easier. Actually, I haven't tried crossdressing yet as I still live with my parents and 3 younger brothers, so I get not much privacy. My life is full of thwarted desires). Another factor in why I'm boyfriendless (and small selectionfactors in a lot here) is that maybe I'm afraid to open myself up to someone else emotionally, as I have trouble doing that. But at the same time I want to.

That reminds me, the newest story (the supermarket employee/Punk-Modernist one) is gonna be workshopped in about 15 hours from now. I'm very anxious to read the class and the teachers responses, I hope they enjoyed it, it's been the longest story yet for the class at 23 pages (and I mention the number 23 23 times). It's a microcosm of a larger trilogy of novels I'm planning. I'm a little anxious that it might be a bit too out there for them, most normal people don't know much about Freemasons and Fiction Suits and AIDS conspiracy theories and magick and things of that nature. I'm hoping maybe a few of them will actually look this stuff up for themselves. I'm spreading the Invisibles in a small way, like Technoccult. Then again I was sure they'd hate the fairy tale one, but that worked out quite well...
 
 
penitentvandal
08:54 / 26.02.03
They'll love your story. 'The culture has become addicted to the weirdness it was inoculating itself against', remember?

Regarding your social situation - and here's where I come across like a pipe-smoking conservative Dexter's dad type, but hear me out - have you tried joining any of your college sports clubs? They tend to attract a different kind of student from the more creative activities, and interacting with such types would provide you with valuable training in improving your socialising abilities. Plus you might get a little muscle and lose that paunch, thus improving your viability in the boyfriend stakes. You'd probably be surprised at how many of these 'guys you don't normally hang out with' would actually like you, and that you would end up liking. In my experience most people are grateful for an interesting conversation down the pub, and people who aren't 'like you' are always interesting to talk to.

You could even try spending some time with the Gucci-wearing clubgoers, too. Maybe even disguise yourself as one and spend the night out in that persona? It's a useful experience. One of the most interesting girls I've ever known swore that she'd had her most interesting night out in Newcastle abandoning her Goth regalia and spending the night in disguise as a Bigg Market Slapper (translation for US readers: think white trash, but worse).

Concentrate on expanding your boundaries, Sypha, and you'll realise that you aren't such a shy, retiring, quiet kid after all: that's just what they told you you were at school. You can be anything you want to be, second time around...

As to using logomancy to generate sexual encounters, it often seems to fizzle when you make it too specific. I once wrote a story about wanting to fuck an older woman with a taste in black corsetry and some very specific sexual tastes, and not surprisingly it never worked. Curiously enough, though, my last girlfriend was older than me, bisexual, very aggressive, and had a thing for black underwear...but not corsets. Though I think this was unrelated to the spell.
And then there was the time I tried to cast a spell to have sex with a friend's blonde Finnish housemate, and wound up doing it...But in a dream. D'oh.

Oh, and my dreams at the minute always seem to involve me wandering around shops full of porn mags with members of my family. What the fuck is that all about?
 
 
Tamayyurt
11:51 / 26.02.03
logomancy! VV, I'm stealing that word.
 
 
penitentvandal
21:23 / 26.02.03
Feel free..I never really thought I'd invented it.
 
 
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03:23 / 27.02.03
Join a sportsclub? Ick, not my thing at all, I hate sports, I can't even watch them, basketball being the sole exception. I doubt I'd even have time to squeeze such a thing into my schedule as it is. Theroetically I should have graduated last May, I have enough credits to graduate, but I can't graduate until I pass a lab course. So far I've taken 3 lab courses and I've flunked all of them, despite hours of studying, tutors, etc. I guess I'm just clueless when it comes to that kind of thing. This semester is my fourth attempt but I don't think I'll pass this one either. I'm miffed that the school has no art prerequisite.

Having said that, I wouldn't mind having a jock gay hitting on me. But I don't see that happening anytime in the near future. As for getting rid of my paunch (which isn't really THAT big) cutting back on junk food and excercising daily should go a long way in helping put an end to that.

As for the Gucci-wearing clubgoers, I've tried hanging out with them but they just annoyed me, most of them just talked about fashion and stuff and were really bitchy and insulting, not the type of people I like to hang out with at all. As for expanding my horizons I'd like to try crossdressing but I don't get many oppurtunities for that at the moment.

Ah well, at least the workshop went well, the class liked the story a lot, was cool to hear my teacher say the word "fictionsuit". The "Survivor Auschwitz" bit got a lot of acclaim, and the class thought the story was funny, especially the scene where the presidential candidate kissed a baby and it's head fell off (actually, that was the teacher's favorite scene). The guy I had a crush on even commented on the gnostic demiurges and the founding fathers as freemasons. I still think he MIGHT be an Invisible.
 
 
penitentvandal
07:57 / 27.02.03
Y'know, if he was an Invisible, you could probably get off with him even though he has a boyfriend.

I mean, how many people did King Mob shag in the course of that book?
 
 
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12:09 / 27.02.03
you'll realise that you aren't such a shy, retiring, quiet kid after all: that's just what they told you you were at school. You can be anything you want to be, second time around... velvetvandal

Aye to that.

I've found this thread really interesting, especially the idea that there might be some sort "dream invisibles" out there who deliver messages through the medium of dreams. I've encountered several such lucid or semi-lucid dreams myself, where I've been given a contact detail or word upon waking up. So far I've just had names of people (but without any location details it's kinda hard to track them down), as well as the word "Fu-ka-key" with different spellings- could be a place or a name I guess. Anyway, I wouldn't give up the email address just yet- it's not right now, but it might be at some point...
 
 
reFLUX
20:12 / 28.02.03
maybe the e-mail you got from the dream man is to be your code-name among the cell you are being initiated into. or the cell you should be setting up, i mean you only need 4 other people.
 
 
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03:02 / 01.03.03
so, my name would be Sara Cream? that would be good, if I was a drag queen.
 
 
little big bang
00:14 / 05.03.03
try setting up the saracream email address for yourself and see what comes your way.

or perhaps you are the gay anarchist occultist that dream figure was talking about, and he simply meant that you are going to love what you are about to become...
I've found that when i start getting impatient for some kind of partner, the best way to deal with it is to work on something for yourself. start a project (or like Varis said, start a cell , and focus your energy on that (perhaps after charging a sigil). someone will come along, possibly through your involvement in the project, even if that project is something as simple or mundane as getting a job to try and move out of your parents' house. that's what my friend did, it worked for him, something similar worked for me. hey, what have you got to lose? at worst, you are now doing something new and constructive.
 
 
little big bang
00:19 / 05.03.03
also, considering how many email addresses are taken, like givemeallyourfignewtons or sahasaravanandi, how possible is it that an address as simple as saracream, at the hugigantic aol no less, is not taken and is suggested to you in a dream? it's all yours. it was meant to be. take it.
 
 
penitentvandal
17:36 / 05.03.03
Sara Cream could be your real identity, and Sypha Nadon a cover personality you got lost in, 'American Death Camp' stylee...Maybe Tyler Durden guy is some bloke from the real-life equivalent of Cell 23, sent to shock you out of it.

Hey - maybe your entire creative writing class are members of Cell 23!
 
  
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