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How do we relate to food?

 
  

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Goodness Gracious Meme
19:09 / 23.02.03
been thinking about this for a while (and seemed apt, as I'm starving and waiting to go pick up a malaysian takeaway!)

Is food important to you? A source of pleasure, of stress? Is it possible to generalise about attitudes to food within gender/race/sexuality groups?

I'm a huge foodie. Love cooking, eating, talkign about, looking at, dreaming about glorious food. Obsessive, moi?

I do on occasion comfort eat, and good food very rarely fails to cheer me up *alot*. But feeding myself is also very much a nurturing thing, a thing I do to take care of myself, to value myself.

I think it's possible to say that women in general have a far more intense realatinship to food (whether it's good or bad) than men. That's partly about body image stuff, of course, but it's a lot more than that IMO. eg girls are brought up cooking much more than boys, it's much more a thing that has resonsances with childhood/family for girls in general.

Eg my mother would never let me in the kitchen to cook real styuff, but did do all that 'making fairy/angel cake' stuff, whcih i doubt she'd've done with a son, which I think affects how I relate to food.
 
 
that
19:41 / 23.02.03
Eeeiiieee. Food. Food bad. It's an addiction type thing and I hope to god they invent food pills sometime soon because then I could remove the temptation. I was the fat kid in school and I've had eating disorders of one sort or another for the past five years at least - I literally cannot remember how to eat normally. It's about comfort, it's about self-loathing and a combination of the two. I hate it and I can't fucking stop stuffing my face and ever since I saw the bastarding dietician who weighed me when I'd managed not to weigh myself for weeks, I've just been putting on more and more weight until I'm in the position, again, of having to lose like four stone before I'm happy. Food and my relationship to it makes me want to cry, occasionally it makes me want to slash my wrists. Gah.
 
 
Trijhaos
20:13 / 23.02.03
Food's just fuel. If it tastes good, that's great. If it doesn't taste so good, as long as it doesn't make me gag, that's fine too.

I don't eat the healthiest food in the world, and that troubles me sometimes, but it's not something I can do anything about since I still live with my parents. I eat what's put in front of me. If I were out on my own, it'd be a different story.

I do like to cook, given the chance, but my chances at cooking anything more complicated than "Open can, pour contents into pan, and heat until hot" are very few and far between. I just don't have access to the ingredients I need/want and after the end of this week, I'll have money for the ingredients, but I probably won't have the time to cook anything.

I've never much understood the need for comfort food. I don't much feel comforted after eating a gallon of ice cream, or an entire bag of chips the way some people do. If anything, I feel a bit sick to my stomach.
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
20:21 / 23.02.03
I do really enjoy good food, but I'm never especially bothered if I can't get it - which is a good thing, as I've spent the past two years living in places where I haven't been able to cook properly - bedsits and college rooms do not make for a great gastronomic experience. So for example today I've eaten five pieces of toast and pate (my staple) and a Kit-Kat, and yesterday I had more toast and pate and beans on toast because I was hungover; and that's pretty much par for the course.

That sounds as if I have a Haus-like 'food is for wimps' attitude, but I really don't; but I'm quite happy to eat to subsist. I like cooking, I like cooking for other people, I like to eat well, but it's not essential to me.

What I am currently doing is being very careful not to eat because I'm bored. I don't object to comfort-eating (and I sometimes have random cravings for the most horrendous stuff - tinned spag bol, I mean really), but I think that in the past I've spent time chomping as a displacement activity and that's not really very healthy. I have a very sedentary lifestyle, I don't require much energy on the whole, there's no need for me to refuel throughout the day (though sometimes I get it wrong and spend an entire seminar with my stomach growling, very embarrassing). And it does seem to be working - I don't 'forget to eat', but I eat a lot less than I used to and think I'm probably hitting the right levels at the moment (or possibly slightly lower-than-right levels, but it varies across the week so I'm not too concerned).

Cooking - my mum used to let us cook dinner now and again, it was almost always disastrous (pizza is no good if the base doesn't rise, and you don't need to put every single herb in the cupboard in your vinaigrette), but at least I'm not frightened by it...
 
 
Van Plague?
20:28 / 23.02.03
I definitely agree with you, Bengali, that females are socialized to have a stronger relationship with food. From an early age we learn that food, the preparation of, the serving of, even the discussion of, is really relationship based. Caring for the nutritional needs of the family can be a very specific kind of affection showing.

My childhood kitchen, usually while preparing food, was a place where the women folk bonded, had serious and often emotionally charged conversations. Some of my fondest memories of my mother took place while I helped her make a meal. There is something about female initiation, the passing on of family traditions, a coming of age thing, that is wrapped up with food.

I have a girlfriend that I absolutely love cooking proper fancy meals with. It is an aspect of our friendship that we both value immensely. There’s a kind of intimacy involved in working together at something sensual, something aesthetically appealing, that is made with love and intended to give pleasure to our loved ones.

Myself personally, though, I tend to be pretty utilitarian about food. I eat because I have to. There are definitely foods that I enjoy, that I savour, but in an everyday general way I tend to just consume for the sake of survival.

I’m just dragging myself out of a year long depression and noticed that every time I’m depressed for any real length of time I tend to kind of starve myself in an act to minimize, to ghost myself, to mirror how I actually feel. I’m starting to eat again now, though.
 
 
Lurid Archive
20:57 / 23.02.03
I have quite an intense relationship with food. I comfort eat way too much, but I also get a lot out of cooking good stuff. As long as I'm not dead tired, I really get into the whole cooking experience.

I think the utilitarian attitude to food is partly a UK thing - certainly if I contrast it with continental attitudes. My attitude comes partly from my upbringing, even though I was excluded from any womanly activities. I still enjoyed eating though and decided to teach myself how to cook.
 
 
_pin
22:33 / 23.02.03
Food freaks the fuck out of me. I often resort to looking at it weirdly and poking it a bit, and grabbing the backs of cook's heads and weidling the food as particularly agressive evidence, shouting "What is the source of this dark power??"

The above is a lie, obviously. But I still don't get it. How do people cook?? It's very weird. I fuck up making soup from a tin. I do waffles in the toaster because of numerous bad instances when I would try and turn them over in the grill. In the grill.
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
22:48 / 23.02.03
I have an odd relationship with food. I love it and would possibly, given money and chef-fu enough, qualify as a gourmand. But effort - or the lack thereof - trips me up a lot.

I have been in the process of doing those initial shopping excursions for the house I've moved into - you know, where you stock up on the basics and *still* don't have enough to make anything just yet - so that's slightly frustrating. But I like being in a position where I can cook, and I'm at the point where I don't mind trying stuff out, as some posters here can attest. Actually, I tend to enjoy cooking for others more than cooking for myself. Which is at odds with my try-to-rejig-my-metabolism plan for a new diet in general - I tend to not be bothered with myself, but with others will go all out.

I do have a pretty obsessive relationship with food, too: I will, if bored, eat, and I certainly will, if depressed, eat more. There's a chocolate machine on my floor at work, and it's the biggest struggle to not eat crap from it. I feel like I'm doing well - have been strong since I moved, and only caved once during a particularly shitty day - but I am aware that it's very easy for me to use food as a barrier, or a way to validate my feeling shitty. (See! You're shit because you eat so much! And you eat so much because you're shit!.) It's difficult, but hopefully something I'm coming to terms with.

To be honest, I wonder if the svelte 68kg Rothkoid of Second Year Uni will ever return. Not that I'm exactly gigantor at the moment, but... y'know?

I wonder exactly how much a thread on relationships with food and relationships with body image would be identical twins...
 
 
Tryphena Absent
22:51 / 23.02.03
When I cook I feel like my granny and her mother and my own mother are watching me. Probably because I watched them create food when I was a kid, cooking reminds me of family. It's probably the biggest association that I make about any two things and I can't cook without considering all the generations that made the same food before me.

I often prefer cooking to eating and I like to make things that take hours of labour and work and thousands of pots and pans and baking trays and pyrex dishes etc. I hate people trying to help and I won't cook at home because my mother always takes control of her kitchen - and that's fair enough. In the Cardiff house I won't cook when anyone else is.

I don't find the act of eating particularly comforting. Chocolate is a necessity rather then a luxury but there are things that I love - they tend to be Polish meals actually or seasonal food that you only eat at Christmas and then there's the box of chocolates... the way to my heart but I think that's more about separate little treats than the food itself.
 
 
_pin
23:13 / 23.02.03
Yeh, I'd just like attest to the greatness of every Polish meal I ever had (except the crap the hotel gave us for our coach trip, and anything I ate for two days after Auschwitz). xcept for the horrible moments when the whole table turns their attention on you and tells you how thin you are and you should eat more and asks you about yr girlfriend, they're just really great fun.

The best one I had was about five hours and in the end everyone just fell asleep at the table.

I have no idea how my relatives can cook so much. And eat so much. That's another thing I forgot to mention. I seem to want to eat more then I do, but I get full really easily.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
23:41 / 23.02.03
Wow, cool responses people. Cheers.

My childhood kitchen, usually while preparing food, was a place where the women folk bonded, had serious and often emotionally charged conversations. Some of my fondest memories of my mother took place while I helped her make a meal. There is something about female initiation, the passing on of family traditions, a coming of age thing, that is wrapped up with food

This is really interesting, and what I was trying to get at with my vagueness about fairy cakes and kitchens. I certainly think that there's something about the kitchen being women's space, that I experienced at home and , and this is I think a really common immigrant thing, which ties into Lurid's excellent point, at what we called 'clanbashes'. I agree, to me, the food/fuel thing feels a very English thing.

(A clanbash (which now sounds to me like some distant relation of the BDSM munch!) is the kind of thing where every Bengali family we knew would drive to London or Manchester, or Burnley for the weekend or even overnight, at times.)

The women would cook and serve, the kids would eat first, the girls setting the table and helping with serving. Then the 'kids' (this being anyone not a parent, so ages 3-35 were covered!) would go upstairs while the adults ate. Men first, women second. The food was a very important part of the evening, and that's a very Bengali thing. (Indians make Ben. jokes the way Westerners make Jewish jokes. Now eat up, my child.)

I have very vivid memories of several generations of women cooking, serving, hanging out in the kitchen, and know for certain that if I were a boy, I wouldn't have seen much of this, if any. And that food and its preparation are very involved for me with all my experience of being a Bengali, and with the somewhat mixed blessing of tight-knit immigrant communities.

have a girlfriend that I absolutely love cooking proper fancy meals with. It is an aspect of our friendship that we both value immensely. There’s a kind of intimacy involved in working together at something sensual, something aesthetically appealing, that is made with love and intended to give pleasure to our loved ones.

This is very much how I feel. I have a couple of 'cooking friends' (hi Angel!). Oddly though, my most foodie partner (we were ridiculously foodie. boringly so.) and I *never* cooked together! Though we loved cooking for each other/sharing food, which I think again involved sharing that intimacy, sensual/aesthetic experieince. Our styles are too different, I'm a fast/hectic/throw flour all over the place type of cook, whereas he's really slow and steady and precise. and tidy. I terrified him with my flying hot oil, and he drove me nuts doing everything oh so bloody carefully! Although recently we've managed it once or twice, perhaps it's one of those things that I just can't do in a relationship!

And oddly, most of my friends, male and female are bloody good cooks, even the ones that hardly ever actually do it. And virtually *all* of my exes. From which I conclude I'm a pretty tedious/somewhat repetitive person to be around if you're not stupidly into food!

Also, though often I like to be on my own in the actually cooking process, but having people in the kitchen with me, sharing that space. It's a lasting grief to me that I'm not likely to be able to afford to live somewhere with a big, social kitchen for a good long while.

And see, i'm interested in the depression thing as I've been talking about this with my counsellor. When I'm depressed these days, I stop cooking instantly, won't even make toast. But don't stop eating. I just spend a fortune on takeaways/good ready-prepared food. I seem to be quite prepared to bankrupt myself, but not to not eat well.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
00:00 / 24.02.03
Oh, and Anna, I love your point about your grandmother and mother being there... I feel that, and it's particularly intense on the rare occasions I cook Indian/Bengali food.
 
 
illmatic
07:53 / 24.02.03
Interesting thread, BiP - will write some more later, Just thought I'd comment on the idea of the kitchen being a women's space, My dad was West Indian and he was a better cook than my mum. This is quie a big thing with West indian blokes I think - so I've been told. I fucking love cooking and I think that's where I get it from, seeing my dad cook a lot. Interesting clash of clultures when I was younger - giving my white mates plaintain etc and eating loads of chinese and Jamacian grub.

The other big thing about cooking for me is greed obviously. Why eat something that tastes like shit when it takes 2 minutes to make it taste nice? More later.
 
 
Loomis
09:09 / 24.02.03
I love food and love cooking, though I don't know that I have any specific relation to any of it. It's just a pleasure thing really. It's great to come home from work and open a beer or pour a glass of wine, switch on the dodgy kitchen radio and start chopping veges. And it's even better with a partner, having a night in and chatting in the kitchen, cooking together or separately. It's one of my favourite things to do, and that's how I've learned most of my cooking skillz, because you're more likely to try new and unusual things when you're with someone else.

And as for eating in general, I have a high metabolism and if I don't eat every few hours I get a bad headache and my stomach feels like it's eating itself so I can never skip a meal, but even though I'm hungry most of the time, I never see food as fuel. I hate having to eat something that I don't feel like, just because I'm starving, which can be a pain as when you're vegan that's exactly what you have to do sometimes. Jacket with beans, again?

And I'm the total opposite of comfort eaters, so I can't really understand that. When I'm stressed I can't eat. Which is quite weird when you usually eat every couple of hours like I do, and then you go all day on a piece of toast because your stomach is in a knot. I eat when I'm happy, not when I'm upset.
 
 
Loomis
09:18 / 24.02.03
I have been in the process of doing those initial shopping excursions for the house I've moved into - you know, where you stock up on the basics and *still* don't have enough to make anything just yet

I love that bit! That's the best shop ever. I love herbs and spices in particular. Dried of course. I still haven't quite accepted the uses of fresh herbs. If God had intended us to use fresh herbs ze wouldn't make them grow in little glass pods with handy sprinkley plastic bits on the top. I love buying a cupboard full of oil and spices because they represent a whole world of possibility. Who needs actuality when you have the glorious anticipation of all the things you'll soon be cooking?

And once you've done that, you're sorted for ages. You just need to buy a few veges on the way home for whatever you want to cook that night, and you've got everything else waiting patienlty in the pantry.
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
09:57 / 24.02.03
Loomis: you know Jol. You know his organisational skillz. Hence, you understand my FOOD PAIN. He seems to be living on a block of Western Star butter and some fucking sanitarium Weetbix-but-more-expensive things.

And that drinkable yogurt. Ech.

So yes, am feeling a bit foodless. But I think I'll be overcoming that soon. I have a new (heavy as fuck) mortar and pestle that's just crying out to be used...
 
 
illmatic
10:15 / 24.02.03
I’ve just eaten a packet of Baked Bean crisps – weren’t very nice though. Reminded me of the Tomato ones you used to get.

I can relate to the food as fuel approach as I feel the consequences of running on empty quite quickly. If I miss a meal or just don’t eat enough (soup and bread just don’t cut it for me) I always feel faint and tired etc. the next day. But I’m a big bloke there’s a lot of me to keep moving around. My rescue remedy when this happens – about once every 3 weeks or so – is a huge fuck off bowl of tuna pasta. I think I’m lucky in that I’m skinnyish so have never had a problem with body image etc.- I do have negative associations with junk food though. I‘ll only eat fast food when I’m hammered and will avoid chocolate and crisps when I’m feeling really good.
 
 
Cavatina
10:28 / 24.02.03
Well, Rothkoid, if it's reasonably big & heavy, you could try yer pestle out making some Baharat for Middle Eastern dishes. The following makes about 2 cups.

1/2 cup black peppercorns
1/4 cup coriander seeds
1/4 cup cassia bark
1/4 cup cloves
1/3 cup cumin seeds
2 teaspoons cardamom seeds
4 whole nutmegs
1/2 cup ground paprika

1. Place peppercorns, coriander seeds, cassia, cloves, cumin and cardamom seeds in jar of blender or in pestle and grind to a powder. (Combine whole imgredients and grind 1/4 or 1/2 cup of mixture at a time.)

2. Grate nutmeg and blend into spices with ground paprika. Store in an airtight jar and use as specified.

You can make Baharat with already ground spices (use 1/4 cup of already ground nutmeg) of course, but it's much better when freshly ground. Plus, as you're doing it, the smell is absolutely divine . Ahhh.
 
 
Cavatina
10:38 / 24.02.03
Oh. And Loomis:

If God had intended us to use fresh herbs ze wouldn't make them grow in little glass pods with handy sprinkley plastic bits on the top.

Ahem. Not when we're cooking lamb Greek style, he didn't. Oh no, precious. Fresh rosemary is a *must*.

Just breaking off a couple of stems from the bush and bringing it inside is invigorating. And as for frying it with freshly harvested garlic & pepper in olive oil before ya brown the diced lamb and add a couple of cups of white wine ... weeell, it's enough to induce the ecstasy of food orgasm.
 
 
Ariadne
11:13 / 24.02.03
Oh god, keep the fresh rosemary away from Loomis - he'll crumple up screaming and then melt into the floor. Fresh rosemary to Loomis is as garlic to vampires.
 
 
Loomis
11:15 / 24.02.03
I guess my parents must be lazy then, as my father, who *is* Greek, never used fresh rosemary on his lamb. They both always used fresh parsley though. Maybe this inconsistency explains my confusion, and my retreat into those lovely identical bottles which line up so neatly on your shelf. They're always the same and are always reliable.

One day I plan to grow up and use fresh herbs in my cooking, but there are so many other areas in my life where I need to grow up first. Where to start?
 
 
Loomis
11:19 / 24.02.03
Harumph! Well m'dear, it's not so much the freshness in that instance, but that I don't particularly like rosemary. It's fine as part of the mix, but I'm not too keen when that's the primary flavour. My poor sainted mother could never make risotto without my complaints about it being full of rosemary.
 
 
Cavatina
12:02 / 24.02.03
Loomis, I can claim authenticity only via the Greek girl friends & colleagues who've given me recipes over the years (usually their mothers' -- the *best* kataifi, fer example.) And the lamb & olive dish above *definitely* needs fresh rosemary.

But for roast lamb I just put garlic in small slits on the surface, rub it down with lemon juice, season with black pepper & (for me, only a little) salt, and sprinkle with dried rigani. Yeah, I grow this too and dry the stems, but also buy it at the market, as I use it a lot in pasta sauces etc, too. 's a great herb.
 
 
Loomis
12:28 / 24.02.03
You grow and dry your own herbs? I'm very impressed I must say. I've grown a few veges in my time but never progressed to herbs. I did have chives in my garden once, but they were already there when I moved in. So I guess I can't say I *never* use fresh herbs. That's what's so much fun about cooking; there's always something new to try. How could anyone not love cooking?

And yep, oregano is lovely. My mum and dad disagree about whether or not it belongs in pasta sauce though. My mum, being Italian, only used basil but my dad used both. I use my trusty Italian Herb Mix out of the jar which even has (gasp!) rosemary in it. Sometimes I add some extra basil or oregano though.
 
 
rael
15:34 / 24.02.03
I tend to end up with large amounts of herbs (a bit of a glut at
certain times of year), so I freeze some. You loose the texture
a bit that way, but they are fine for most things and keep well.
 
 
Dangerous
15:45 / 24.02.03
I read somewhere (as you do) that the colour blue is an appetite suppressant, and that many all-you-can-eat-buffet-style restaurants have blue interiors for this reason... anyone ever experienced sudden hunger loss when confronted with blueness?

And also, why do people get hungry when exposed to "the sea air" - especially with all that blue sea about.

It's mind-boggling.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
16:00 / 24.02.03
I didn't start cooking for myself until I was at university and so forced to, and then more or less survived on chicken nuggets, sausages, chips etc when it came to my own cooking for about 4 to 5 years before I started to expand my range.

At the moment, due to a serviceable if not River Cafe level canteen at work, I cook very little, mainly only on days when I'm not working, with the occasional microwave meal lobbed in for dinner.

I haven't really developed any patience for cooking, so anything that would take more than about 20 minutes to make (seperate from cooking) I tend to avoid. Spaghetti Bolognase I always make from a jar of Dolmio but find having to hover by the frying pan to try and stop it burning extremely irritating.

How do I relate to food? I used to have stricter control over my eating, possibly from when my cooking skills were basic so I wasn't expecting a taste explosion, now I tend to go for two and a half (I have a very small breakfast) meals a day, and blame my portlitude on sweets and alckyhol. I tend to regard things like calories and vitamins and stuff as a Communist ploy, not really bothering to work out exactly how they work, especially as everyone you ask tells you something different anyways.

I guess I'm somewhere between 'food is fuel' and 'food is fun', always a fencesitter me, but veering toward the food is fuel.
 
 
slinkyvagabond
19:28 / 24.02.03
Ooh, I loooove cooking. I'm totally with Anna on that one, I love all the fiddley chopping and having to cook different elements of the same dish in completely different ways. I have no idea how people CAN'T cook, it is so easy, let alone enjoyable. I'm afraid that when I hear of someone who is unable to cook, say, a bowl of pasta for themselves I always suspect that they were overly coddled by (usually) their ma, although I know that this is often very wrong. I also associate cooking with my mother, especially baking, although my Da is a better cook than her but I didn't grow up with him. I have his "doing things the right way" sensibility though...combined with her creative flair I'm a far better cook than either of them. I find it a magical, meditative act almost guaranteed to put me in a tranquil mood, even when I'm quite down. It's also a displacement activity for me, as I frequently launch into cooking an elaborate meal to avoid studying or essay writing. Eating is not so much of a displacement activity actually but I smoke so perhaps I would eat more if I didn't.

I can't express how grateful I am to my Ma that she didn't fill me with neuroses about eating and body-shape and whatnot. I gather from anecdotal evidence that sadly mothers' attitude towards food is often passed on to their daughters - a friend of mine had an eating disorder when she was young teen and today she will say that her mother's attitude to food really did mess with her head. Her mother is a small, fairly slim woman who I've often overheard saying things like "Oh, I shouldn't be eating that!" and the usual "food-as-sin" bollocks that women have spouted at them from all directions. Naomi Wolf has a very elucidating chapter on the "beauty-as-religion/food-as-sin" motif in "the Beauty Myth", in which she demonstrates that this process of starvation and denial so many women put themselves through is very like the brainwashing practices of some cults.

The issue of female fuck-upedness in relation to food really insences me because aside from the occasional anorexia horror story there is no general capitulation to the fact that weirdness around food has reached epidemic proportions. There is a consistent refusal to acknowledge the impact that the media has on what women see as "acceptable" body shapes. Actresses and models are kicked from pillar one day for being "chubby" to post the next for being "skeletal" and back again constantly. Readers are encouraged to laugh at unsanctioned photos of them looking "fat" and yet we are often told that "real women have curves". What exactly are we supposed to do? Become the Incredible Morphing Woman ("she changes on your whim")? And it's so saddening to think that so many women miss out on the senuality of food, or see it as a guilty pleasure, because of this complex of influences. Food shouldn't be a complicated issue: that you need to eat and if food tastes good, all the better is the bottom line. But women are consistently ordered about over the "rules" of eating by organs which claim to support and speak for them, such as women's magazines, Weightwatchers etc. So much so that a lot of women don't listen to their bodies, don't know what they want to eat, think they want a chocolate ice-cream because it's so verboten, when their body would really appreciate a banana. If that sounds far-fetched, I try to live by that principle myself - things that I have craved include brocoli and mange tout - obviously my body needed the iron, just as it might need the sugar-rush when it asks for an Aero.

As I said, I love food, it's very much connected with sex and indulgence for me, as it can be as sensually involving as making love. As much as it pisses me off to know that there are millions of adult women who've never orgasmed during sex, it enrages me to know that there are myriad women with a plentiful food source unable to enjoy it because of all the cultural bullshit laid on them. Cookin and eating is a sensual, communal and vibrant actvity - I advocate you try it in this light as soon as possible if you haven't already (oh, and I'm coming from pretty much a 'slow food' approach in case you couldn't guess)
 
 
gravitybitch
02:38 / 25.02.03
I'm so glad I didn't see this thread until after I'd eaten dinner...

I love food, love to cook, wish I had more people around to spoil with food!
I learned to cook from my dad. He was the youngest child, raised in a small farming community, and got drafted to do a lot of the scut-work when it was time to can vegetables or make jams. He taught me about decent nutrition and basic techniques, and I've since added my own decadent spin to what I cook (my brother is also an excellent cook, tends to make more gourmet-style meals than I do; my sister is more of a cans&jars type for some reason).

Food for me is fuel, entertainment, sensual pleasure, and a comfort in both the physical and the psychological sense.... and I'm very thankful I live in San Francisco - one of the heavens for foodies. There are very few mediocre restaurants around here!
 
 
Brigade du jour
03:46 / 25.02.03
Hmmm ... food ... biscuits ... sandwiches ... cheese ... chocolate ... bananas ... pizza ... vegetable spring rolls ... hhhhhrrrrrr!

Definitely a sensual pleasure thing, as you may have gathered from the above pathetic Homer Simpson impression. I'll eat pretty much anything though I used to be really picky. But that's 'cos I was a child and didn't really know any better.

I like to cook but only if I have loads of time and a whole kitchen to myself. Otherwise I just cannot be bothered. I like restaurants, I like to be spoiled, but then I'd rather help out - I make a very good chef's assistant, although a certain lady may disagree with that.

But any which ways up, I definitely think food is more than just fuel, and I never used to be able to understand people who felt differently. But now I know people who feel differently, and don't live with my family who are all gluttons like me, so I do understand it now.

Comfort eating. Hmm. Used to, then stopped for ages. I pass-the-time eat if anything. Like, if I have plenty to do I don't eat so much, not because I forget to eat or anything, just because I don't think "oh I'm bored. I know, I'll scoff that whole Galaxy and watch Blackadder!"
 
 
William Sack
08:23 / 25.02.03
There was a tv programme last night about food presented by a surprisingly trimmed down Jonathan Meades. I only saw a couple of minutes of it, but he was saying something about national/cultural attitudes to food. He was saying that some sort of joyless Protestant self-denial informs the British attitude to food and therefore led to the food-as-fuel attitude. I'm not sure how this supposed self-denial squares with Britain being #2 in the world obesity league, but there may be something there. Perhaps it's the joy we Brits deny ourselves, not the food. BiP remarks that Indians have a different attitude to food than Bengalis and there are arguments in the Greek/Italian Loomis household about herbs, and my own travels to France and Spain suggest that they have a fundamentally different attitude to food than most Brits (more joy and revelry in food for a start). Also my Jewish wife is a terrible cook, but usually takes responsibility for puddings when we cook for people. Usually I provide a main course that feeds the number of people we are entertaining, and my wife massively over-caters on the pudding, which is a bit of a stereotypically Jewish thing to do. Sorry, I'm rather groping around with the seemingly obvious point that food occupies a different space within different cultures/nations - anyone care to make a more interesting and thought-out point about it?
 
 
Loomis
08:57 / 25.02.03
anyone care to make a more interesting and thought-out point about it?

Nah, but we can discuss it over lunch. My treat!
 
 
William Sack
09:01 / 25.02.03
Excellent! I'll have the overdone pork chop with boiled-to-fuck vegetables as is my joyless British wont.
 
 
Cavatina
09:06 / 25.02.03
Yuk.

An' here am I hoping that British food isn't as bad as friends are telling me.
 
 
Icicle
14:19 / 25.02.03
Yes the British food is terrible. I once heard an african man on the radio who thought we had a 'fetishistic' attitude to food. We have all these celebrity chefs cooking exotic food on the t.v yet people are eating more ready meals and shit like that than ever before.
I guess I have a pretty healthy attitude towards food and since given up smoking it's become more important, I was never that interested in it when I smoked but now I need some other oral gratification I am, plus getting my taste buds back, I never realised eating could be so pleasurable.
 
  

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