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Guided By Voices

 
 
paw
14:39 / 20.02.03
inspired by a past conversation with applepicker where do i start with this band? best albums/songs etc. please
 
 
beatorbebeat
15:00 / 20.02.03
Well, there's so much stuff with this band. For the poppy stuff, Isolation Drills and Do The Collapse are good points, then work your way back into their catalogue. D/L some stuff, too. The All Music Guide is good for information and discographies.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
15:25 / 20.02.03
In my experience, the best way to get into GBV is by having another fan initiate you. Otherwise, I don't think it will quite work - the GBV catalog is so big that you really need a tour guide. There isn't any one album to suggest to start with, though there are some records which are more accessable than others.

Bee Thousand is the most beloved of the GBV album by the fans, and contains a lot of GBV's pop classics - "I Am A Scientist", "Tractor Rape Chain", "Hot Freaks", "Echos Myron", "Goldheart Mountaintop Queen Directory", "Peephole" - but it's also very lo-fi and strange.

The Alien Lanes album also has its fair share of classics - "A Salty Salute", "My Valuable Hunting Knife", "Motor Away", "Game Of Pricks", "The Closer You Are", "Watch Me Jumpstart" - but is mostly a big lo-fi sound collage.

Propellor comes before Bee Thousand, and is a pretty solid record. It's more hifi than Alien Lanes or Bee Thousand, but has a similar spirit. "Weed King", "Quality Of Armor", and "Lethargy" are the popular songs from this album.

The more recent albums are more hi-fi, but there's just so many of them that it's hard to pin it down to just one.

Under The Bushes, Under The Stars has a lot of wonderful songs on it ("Cut-Out Witch", "Don't Stop Now", "Sheetkickers", "Rhine Jive Click", "The Official Ironmen Rally Song", "Lord Of Overstock" "Acorns & Orioles"), but has a lot of filler on it too, I think. It's maybe not the best album to start off with, but a good third or fourth purchase, for sure.

Not In My Airforce is the first GBV album which is billed as a Bob Pollard solo album. Pollard "solo albums" only exist as an economic necessity - it's all GBV, but he needs to put records out under different names to play the record industry game. Not In My Airforce is a good little record, but gets a little too selfindulgent in areas - a lot of acoustic demos and a big collage of tunes at the end. There's some amazing songs on this one, though - "Psychic Pilot Clocks Out", "Get Under It", "Girl Named Captain", and "Maggie Turns To Flies" are all among my big all-time GBV favorites.

Mag Earwhig is the next proper GBV record, and is one of my personal favorites. It's something of a prog-tribute, some of it sounds quite a lot like Peter Gabriel-era Genesis. It's a dark, melodramatic album, and more polished than the records that went before it. It has a great overall flow, but has a lot of great individual songs - "Choking Tara", "Portable Men's Society", "Now To War", "Sad If I Lost It", "Learning To Hunt", "The Finest Joke Is Upon Us", and the hit "Bulldog Skin". The songs from this album are almost never played live anymore, unfortunately.

Waved Out is another Pollard 'solo album', and is a fairly dark little album. The album seems a bit like a Wire tribute to me, musically - it's not hard to imagine a lot of these songs fitting in rather well on their first three records. I really love this album, especially "Subspace Biographies", "Whiskey Ships", "Caught Waves Again", "People Are Leaving", "Make Use", "Wrinkled Ghost", and "Waved Out".

Kid Marine is the next Pollard record, and it's not quite as amazing as Waved Out, though a lot of people say that this is one of their favorites. It's another dark one, this was a pretty sad period of Bob's life, I think. It's one of the more prog influenced GBV records, though there's quite a lot of new wave influences on it too. "Submarine Teams" is the big classic song on this record.

Do The Collapse was meant to be GBV's big commercial breakthrough, but it didn't really work out. It's the glossiest GBV release by far in terms of production, but that's not the problem. A lot of the songs on this album are rather forgettable, it's a nothing-special kind of album. However, one of the best GBV pop songs ever is on the record, "Teenage FBI". "Hold On Hope" is pretty good if you're into sappy power ballads, and "Surgical Focus", "Dragons Awake", and "Things I Will Keep" are perfectly respectable Pollard compositions.

The record which should have been their big pop hope is the one that follows, Speak Kindly Of Your Volunteer Fire Deptartment, another Pollard release on their Fading Captain record label. Speak Kindly is so wonderful - it has a real early British Invasion feel to it, I think. It's a tight record, packed full of the 'hits' - "Tight Globes", "Pop Zeus", "Frequent Weaver Who Burns", "Slick As Snails", "Life Is Beautiful", "Do Something Real", "Soul Train College Policeman", "And I Don't (So Now I Do)". This is very special record, and I think it is one of the best places to start.

Isolation Drills is the next Guided By Voices record, and I think it's one of the best. It pulls together a lot of the musical themes from the past few records into a nice concise and accessable package. There's a good number of 'hits' on this one - "Chasing Heather Crazy", "Glad Girls", "The Brides Have Hit Glass", "Skills Like This", "Fair Touching". I quite like this album, and it's probably one of the most immediately likable GBV albums.

Choreographed Man O War is the next Pollard record, but I wouldn't really recommend it unless you have the other records first. It has three truly great songs ("I Drove A Tank", "Edison's Memos", "Instrument Beetle"), but is overall nothing special.

The most recent GBV album Universal Truths And Cycles is another fairly accessable record, though it is fairly sprawling. It's got a handful of killer singles on it - "Back To The Lake", "Everywhere With Helicopter", "Cheyenne" and the title song, and the rest of it holds up very well too.

There's a lot of other GBV releases that I haven't mentioned, with lots of amazing songs scattered throughout, but this is probably a decent rough guide to start out with. I'll throw in a GBV 'greatest hits' sampler with your package, Sean. That should get you on the right track. I think getting a best-of compilation or two is the best way to get into the band, it worked for me, and it's worked for the folks who I've turned on to the band.
 
 
Murray Hamhandler
18:56 / 20.02.03
Well-stated, Flux.

Let's put it this way, sean. I have 30+ official GBV/Pollard releases and I'm still 10-15 albums/EP's/singles away from being complete. Pollard is a madman. There's no better starting point than wherever. If you don't like what you hear, try again. GBV is somewhat inconsistent, but more in terms of varying degrees of high quality. They're a huge pop group on some other planet, I'm sure.

One of my friends saw (and heard) GBV for the first time last time they were in town (which they will be again next week!). I think it was an off-night for the gang (who usually get quite plastered before and during the show). My friend left halfway through, expressing plenty of disgust at having shelled out cash to see them. I picked my brain and made a pretty solid GBV mix tape for my friend shortly thereafter. He's now dying to see them again. I'll see if I can dig up the track listing I used and post it here.

That said, if you're going to dig in for yourself, I'd recommend starting earlier than later. Despite a few good songs that Flux denoted above, their latest is just about my least favorite yet. Where would I start?

1) Bee Thousand
2) Alien Lanes
3) Static Airplane Jive EP
4) Mag Earwhig!
5) Isolation Drills


That's about the best album sampler that I could recommend as a start. Pretty broad and fairly representative of most of their varying sounds. If you like those albums, you'll probably dig about everything else.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
19:36 / 20.02.03
Static Airplane Jive, huh? He could just save himself the money and download "Big School" from the gbv.com site!

I've got a huge chunk of the GBV discography headed Sean's way. Don't you worry about him.

Seeing GBV live just isn't all that fun if you don't know most/all of the songs being played - when I first saw GBV live, I knew maybe about 30% of that night's setlist, and the songs I didn't know (many songs that are now huge favorites of mine) just blended together and sounded dull.

I don't know what GBV shows are like elsewhere, but from my personal experience, fan concensus, and the band's own reckoning, there just isn't a better place to see the band than in NYC. The NYC fans are rabid and enthusiastic, and they always play to packed houses no matter how big or small the venue is. It's part of why they play NYC at least four or five times per year.
 
 
rizla mission
09:55 / 21.02.03
In my experience, the best way to get into GBV is by having another fan initiate you.

Thanks again for that Flux. The tape you made is still getting heavy play, to the extent that I'd probably count GBV as one of my favourite groups at the moment, despite not actually owning anything by them..

The back catalogue's still pretty daunting, plus the fact that their records are fairly expensive and sometimes difficult to find in this country.. I've NEVER seen any cheap or second hand..
 
 
The Apple-Picker
11:33 / 21.02.03
Yay! My conversation has inspired!

Flux initiated me to GBV, too. I love 'em and have been listening to my two mixes a lot lately, though I have another record or two of theirs. My first show experience was half good and half bad, though, even though we were in their home state. All the good was due to the band, and all the bad was due to the crowd. I'm convinced it's the crowd's fault that I didn't get to hear Hot Freaks or My Valuable Hunting Knife--the two songs I most wanted to hear that night. I'm not a rowdy girl anymore, and I don't like beer getting splashed in my eyes. Alcohol on soft membranes burrrrns. The crowd was throwing beer bottles at the stage for crying out loud. But Bob shook my hand and I took his beer cap home with me and Tim said a book I was reading was a good book. The ickies of the show have faded enough that now I can't wait to see GBV again.
 
 
Murray Hamhandler
14:22 / 21.02.03
Static Airplane Jive, huh? He could just save himself the money and download "Big School" from the gbv.com site!

Well, I dunno. "Big School", "Gelatin, Ice Cream, Plum", and "Glow Boy Butlers" all really rock. The rest is a little weird but if only for the above songs (which make up half of the EP), SAJ is one of my favorite GBV releases. Although I'm absolutely sure that not everyone shares that opinion.
 
 
rizla mission
14:15 / 24.02.03
Couplea days after my above post and I've managed to pick up 'Bee Thousand' for a fiver. Lovely. Extremely fine it is too.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
12:23 / 28.09.03
I just recently saw GBV in Nottingham, and I was very pleased indeed.

Not as wild as I was expecting, but that was alright with me, as I had work the next day. In fact they're playing in Leicester where I live and I might not even go due to having to get up increbily early... damn it. I realise how lame that makes me.

But still, they played all the songs I wanted to hear, I'd say. And Pollard was very amusing, and sometimes gurned like a proper old drunk, but was terribly pleasing and rock and roll. He's got a great kick for an old guy.

And the only songs I was dissapointed (and I say dissapointed in the sense that you can't really be dissapointed after 3 hours of goodness) they didn't play were "The Official Ironman... " and "Gold Star for Robot Boy" which for some reason was going round and round my head the day after they played...

And I finally bought alien lanes, which I'd never seen anywhere before. Maybe I will pop along for a bit tonight... but I feel I'd be letting the side down by not being very very drunk. Damn work getting me down!

Anyway hurrah for GBV and the best songs you've never heard!

(And why is that with GBV any song you don't know just blends together and sounds dull? It doesn't seem to make any sense to me.)
 
 
rizla mission
09:26 / 29.09.03
GBV are playing Liecester tonight?

Damn it all, I thought it was next month, I was gonna go up and stay w/ friends..
 
 
electric monk
11:55 / 29.09.03
This thread is making me extremely sad that I neglected to bring my GBV discs to work today. I (HEART) BARBELITH CUZ THAT'S WERE THE GBV FANS HANG!!! You guys are great, and I feel a little less alone.

Flux - You're Queen Shit AND the Golden Boys for spreading the good word. Bob loves you.

RE: GBV's blending songs -> GBV songs that "blended in" or really didn't strike me on first listen tend to come back to me later. I'll wake up with a GBV song in my head that I hadn't paid attention to before and it'll become a new favorite. Anyone else have this happen?

Recommendations? Guided by Voices is a big, pop/punk pool of music. Dive in. Splash around a little...
 
 
bob
21:43 / 30.09.03
Second, third or whatever on the Bee One thousand album.

I got this by mistake when I bought Superchunk's No Pocky For Kitty. No chunk disc but a GBV disc instead. Was meaning to get around to picking up some stuff so gave it a listen. Loved it. Kept it wrong case and all.

Cool. Weird. Strange. Old.

A musical journey through marmalade that has been spread thick onto seriously burnt toast. And then jammed into a VCR slot with the speed on EP EP EP.

Because I seek to understand me. And I still need to get No Pocky for Kitty!
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
22:03 / 30.09.03
re: Superchunk

I think that you'll find that at least around these parts, we appreciate Jon Wurster's non-musical projects a lot more than his work with Superchunk.
 
 
bob
22:16 / 30.09.03
Oh. Well you people around these parts do not know what you are missing. Or I have poor taste. Likely a bit of both I'd imagine.

I wasn't aware that there was a life for him outside of Superchunk. I don't pay much attention in those ways. What is it that he does non-musically?
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
00:05 / 01.10.03
He basically just whips some chains around and sells shoddy electronic equipment at a lousy Radio Shack knock-off store in the Newbridge, NJ area.
 
 
bob
09:19 / 01.10.03
And that is something you find better than Superchunk's music?

Erm, who all are you speaking for anyway by saying "around these parts"? Is everyone around these parts fans of chain weilding electonic salesman at knock-off shops over Superchunk or only you?

Wasn't this supposed to be a thread about Guided By Voices anyway?
 
 
HCE
16:17 / 01.10.03
Sadly, when they played here in Los Angeles, essentially for free (a $7 'donation' was requested but not enforced) I could not find a single person to go with me.

Kids these days.
 
 
bob
19:31 / 03.10.03
Geez-Us! I would've not only gone wit you fred, but smoked you out of your fred head! GBV for free and not one would go with you?

It's a madhouse. A madhouse.
 
  
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