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Poetry on television

 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
15:08 / 18.02.03
Not sure whether this should be here or in TV (or headshop or conversation...). Feel free to decide, moderators.

Has anyone seenEssential Poetry? A short series of programmes in which various actors read poems thematically arranged around various aspects/stages of love affairs.

eg I caught no.4: The Grass is Greener and found it really enjoyable and at times very moving. Subdivided into sections like, 'Breaking up', 'Alone Again' etc, and featuring a range of poets including Edna St Vincent Millay, James Fenton, Wendy Cope, DH Lawrence etc It's made me want to hunt down and read some more by several of these authors and more....

I say this as an almost total poetical(?!) philistine. I've always found poetry really difficult to engage with, with very few exceptions. (I'm really not sure why as an artform I find it so 'difficult') I know nothing about it.

So to encounter poetry and find it affecting was wonderful. Found the format, in which actors read poems, really helpful in this, as well as the way the readers were set into scenes , rather than eg standing at lecterns...

But I can see an argument that this detracts from the text and performance.... And i imagine its probably a very middle-of-the-road-selection. (guessing from my experience of tv coverage of artforms I have more knowledge of)

So what do people think of this way of presenting poetry? I'm really interested in what people who are more au fait with poetry (ie everybody!) think.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
15:10 / 18.02.03
I guess also, I'm interested in why poetry is (or appears to me) such a minority artform, who reads and writes it, how they encounter it, why?
 
 
Tryphena Absent
15:40 / 18.02.03
I love twentieth century poetry and particularly that change you get around the 1940's/50's where style just seems to open up and it all becomes wonderfully accessible. I approve of this programme because I don't think that it dumbs anything down at all and that's unusual for such a show.

The thing about poetry is that it's quite difficult to reduce it down to mainstream. I suppose Ted Hughes (who's poetry I find terribly aggressive and really dislike, everything's always about being dwarfed) might be placed there having been the laureate and all but the mainstream doesn't detract from the power behind the words. Plus my favourite poem is Bagpipe Music by MacNeice because it never stops sending me in to screams of laughter (and especially the musical version by Jah Wobble that sends tears streaming down my face - actually I'm having trouble containing the laughter right now just thinking about it) so I can't really comment on the whole popular thing.

The real reason that I love this programme is that it does not inspire you to go and pour over books and analyse the poems, it presents you with a scene and lets you listen to the words, wonderful stuff!
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
16:04 / 18.02.03
I really like the vignettes - they did something similar in little 2-minute stabs when they were doing the "Britain's Favourite Poems". I'm aware that they do have their limitations - you're not likely to get much John Ashberry, for example, and it favours short, fairly clear poems - but within that field they were interesting and largely well-done. Plus, the "blipverty" feel menas if you don't like something something else is along in a second - what I see as one of the great strengths of short poetry.

The only thing that alienated me was the presenter, who was just astonishingly bad and appeared to be treating the thing as essentially a vanity project. Grrrr....
 
 
Mourne Kransky
17:44 / 18.02.03
It's great! Don't like 'em all but that's because they have such a good mix of styles and period. Even within the "theme" given each slot there's variations in mood.

I get distracted by the imagery or by the way they allow natural sound to erupt at points in the background. Missed, for instance, a couple of snatches of Imogen Stubbs reading one the other day because of the street noise behind her. But who cares, they're trying different things, they'll not hit the spot all the time. It's just wonderful to hear them read without the breathy reverential tones that spoil so much spoken poetry for me.

My only real suggestion for improvement is the commentary. It's brief and barely there, so why bother? I feel the attempts at summing up a poet in a couple of words are so misleading and so pointless.

I am glossing over the hideosity of Dougie Henshall, with bagpipes in the background, slaughtering Burns. Arse.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
18:09 / 18.02.03
And lovely Christopher Lee reading R.S Thomas! Made me teary...
 
 
Mourne Kransky
18:44 / 18.02.03
God bless a programme that makes me cry, early evening, whilst I'm eating my tea. Came close several times and was a flood by the end of the Auden, even though I was thinking of all the other ones of his it would have been good to hear for a change... Marvellous wee programme.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
19:19 / 18.02.03
On the other question - how and why the audience of poetry works...

Well, poetry is bloody expensive, for one thing. My copy of Poetry Review cost me about £7, comfortably twice as much as a copy of Uncut, and doesn't even come with a free CD. Given the chopice between 250 pages of novel and 80 pages of poetry, with most of the pages only half full, for the same price, you can understand the instinct to purchase a novel rather than a book of poetry. Also, poetry is risky - it's hard to find reviews and so you're taking a bit of a chance when you buy a book, especially because so much poetry is diabolically bad.

The "abominably bad" is also a factor. It's comparatively hard to write a novel, but anyone could throw down some rubbish and claim it is a poem, and the flatness this introduces, I suspect, punishes the good stuff by swamping it....
 
 
Loomis
07:33 / 19.02.03
I just saw the one about love last night, and really liked it. I can't see any danger of dumbing down in simply reading the poems; dumbing down happens when you try to explain it in an overly simplistic manner. I think the show is good in the way that a program of music videos is good. You can just lie on the couch and take it in, being introduced to new poems and seeing poems you already know being interpreted visually. Some work better than others, but it's still a top idea.

My preferred way of experiencing poetry is to read it silently to myself so I can concentrate on it and not miss anything, which I tend to do when it's being read. But a half-hour show like this is eminently watchable and sent me scurrying upstairs for the real thing afterwards. You can't ask for much more than that.

... well, except for a decent presenter. I could've sworn there were moments when she said "pome".
 
 
Quantum
09:51 / 19.02.03
I fully support anything that puts poetry in the limelight- I loved the show (although who was that woman presenting it?) and thought the vignettes were great, excellently done. Nice that they used classic poems, gave new life to things people remember from school as dull. (Yay Christopher Lee!)
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
12:04 / 19.02.03
(although who was that woman presenting it?)

Daisy Goodwin is a TV producer (she produced the Nations Favourite Poems, which had similar portrayals of poems) and editor at HarperCollins, specifically the editor of "101 Poems that could save your life", "101 Poems to get you through the Day and Night", "101 Poems to Keep You Sane" and "Essental Poems (to Fall in Love With)". They're attractively packaged collections of short, accessible poetry grouped by subject matter and aimed at a twenty-thirtysomething audience - a n attempt to move poetry into the profitable waters of chicklit and Chicken Soup for the Soul. She deserves credit for identifying a niche and for popularising poetry, although I suspect that the HarperCollins list may be favoured somewhat (this is rank speculation, of course). She claims to be on a mission to bring poetry to the Great British Public, and the cross-media approach of "Essential Poems" (book and series advertising each other) is another step in that process. Good on her, really.

Only problem being that she appears to be trying to Nigella herself, to become a brand in herself to push either her own poetry (or, more likely, her own lime-coloured romance based around a poetry group) or her career in publishing and other media, with the result that she is presenting the program despite being utterly unsuitable; for some reason she delivers every link with her lip curled up grotesquely and ictus scattered like spelt across her sentences, and her own posh boho Bridget Jones schtick alienates the hell out of posh boho Bridget Jones me, so God knows what it might do to somebody outside the target audience. There are a lot of people invovled in poetry and indeed a fair few poets who would have made far better and more accomplished presenters, and I'm not sure why in the greater project she or BBC2 didn't try to find one to work with on selection...John Hegley, say, or the smooth and sexy sound of Simon Armitage.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
13:26 / 19.02.03
Yes. Yes. and yes.

Forgot to mention that the presenter seemed to me to be an unholy splice of Nigel Slater, Nigella Lawson and Renee Zellweger. Half expected her to loll in a chair and start fingering bindings suggestively.... Gah. Really intrusive and to me, very much associated somehow with whatever it is I find alienating about poetry as a culture, rather than an artform. Sorry, that's vague, will have a think and come back. Suspect I might not mean anything more nuanced than 'posh and annoying', though.

GO AWAY!

*kick*

And could I nominate Benjamin Zephaniah for the presenter's job, he'd be really unpatronising and approachable, IMHO...

Xoc: yeah, I couldn't believe that the programme had me crying at times, the surprise was wonderful...
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
13:55 / 19.02.03
She wasn't just posh and annoying, it was the way she seemed to be trying overly hard to stress the common ground of adult relationships that linked the poets, herself and the audience... Ick. She reminded me most of that awful woman who runs the 'Erotic' Review (Rowan Pelling?).

Liked the programme, though - hit and miss, as much due to the range of readers as for the range of poems; but when they got both right it was fantastic - Ian Hart reading Vernon Scannell's poem about a thoroughly mundane adultery being my favourite (so far - is it still ongoing or is that it now?).

Should we have a separate thread for fantasy poem/reader combinations, or do it here?
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
14:12 / 19.02.03
Here's fine by me...
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
14:33 / 19.02.03
Thank you Flyboy, that was *exactly* what was so annoying, the 'Erotic Review' comparison is spot on! She also seemed to be trying to develop a TV persona within a format which really didn't need or want one; as I think Loomis pointed out, it wasn't dumbed down as there was no effort at explanation, the beauty of EP is that the poems were just presented to us, for us to take in. Think the music vid comparison's an apt one. Its as if Suggs started presenting the ITV Chart Show.

So, if she's serious about broadening the appeal of poetry (at which, speaking personally, this prog succeeds) *and*, at that, a TV producer, she should realise that she's created a format where any kind of 'personality' presenter is a nuisance.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
15:25 / 19.02.03
Bengali's question at the threadhead: I'm interested in why poetry is (or appears to me) such a minority artform made me think of this wee poem by Wislawa Szymborska, a Polish poet of whom I'd not heard till she won the Nobel Prize for Literature in 1996 and a couple of whose volumes I have much enjoyed since. My friends who speak Polish tell me I don't know what I'm missing as I only can read her in translation.

She asks the question "What is poetry" in Some Like Poetry and ends, without answering, But I don't know and don't know and hold on to it,
Like to a sustaining railing


I like that idea because that's how my favourite poems are for me - like a wall to take your weight when you're buffeted by events, with a view through to another place that's parallel but separate from the street you're heading down.
 
  
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