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Say, would anyone know what pyramids are for?

 
 
The resistable rise of Reidcourchie
16:57 / 15.02.03
I think they were once though of as tombs, but it was later found that, well ...tombs were actually the tombs. As afr as I'm aware no mummified body has ever been found in one (I could be wrong and I doubt the validity of my half remembered source).

I know that Cryptohistorians have a number of whacky ideas for them, space ship beacons, power stations etc.

Hey they may still be tombs.

Anyone?
 
 
Ganesh
00:45 / 16.02.03
Doesn't their shape have a preservative effect? I have dim recollections of childhood 'How To...' books full of experiments one could do with miniature pyramids. I also seem to remember that, if a blunt razor-blade is jept approximately one third of the way up inside a little pyramid with the sides aligned to north, east, south and west, it'll resharpen itself. Can't say I've ever tried this stuff myself.

Anyone else recall the pyramid experiments?
 
 
The resistable rise of Reidcourchie
13:07 / 16.02.03
So do you think they were huge wetstones then?
 
 
Ganesh
13:28 / 16.02.03
Whetstones? Doubt it; if it actually works (and I never tried it myself) it's likely a side-effect of whatever weeeird preservative effect the pyramid shape might produce.

Has anyone ever tried these experiments?
 
 
Mourne Kransky
14:12 / 16.02.03
Big controversy these days in the world of Egyptology, with some fringe groups going the whole "built by aliens from Sirius B" route. The coincidence of the placement of these structures chiming in with cosmological constellations and eclipse predictions is fairly well accepted nowadays, although exactly why it mattered and how it was achieved is still hugely mysterious.

Suggests that with a few hundred years of the original Scorpion Kings of the first dynasty, the Egyptians had come from a relatively primitive desert lifestyle to understanding and charting the cosmos, which implies the development also of some accurate mathematics and instruments of measurement. Not impossible but remarkable.

The absence of corpses and grave goods has in the past just been written off as "tomb raiders with good night vision got there before us" and maybe that's it but there is also the issue that pyramidal structures have proliferated in some other ancient cultures, particularly the step-pyramid model.

There's the Assyro-Babylonian ziggurats, temples of the great Central American pre-Columbian civilisations, even got them in the Canary Islands. Also echoed in the stupa of the temples of the Far East, and remember that hinduism likely predates by millennia all this Egyptian mythology. All ways for man or priest to get physically closer to the gods and thereby enhance communication.

With the flood myth so prevalent in so many cultures, it's not surprising that many creation myths also involve a mound of sorts arising from the swirling waters of creation and this is definitely true of the Ancient Egyptian religious fables. At Khnum, a hump of land tumesced out of the waters and the Earth God Geb inseminated the over-arching Sky Goddess Nut, giving life to the world as the Egyptians knew it, so the pyramids (and some natural landscape features) were worshipped for their resonance with that myth.

The great pyramids of Giza, with the smooth surfaces and the supposed blade-sharpening properties advanced by the Duchess of York and mentioned earlier by Ganesh, seemed to come from almost nowhere, architecturally and historically speaking, in the third dynasty and into the fourth dynasty of Pharaonic times. There are lots of other pyramidal structures, usually with the more classic step pattern, being uncovered all the time all over Egypt and down into Nubia and the Sudan.

A few of these seem to have been tombs but most, like the ziggurats of Babylon, were just representations of the original mound of Earth what arose from the waters of creation. In many instances, one Pharaoh build several in a lifetime and this suggests he wasn't just looking for a final resting place or "resurrection machine" (as many archaeologists suggest).

Their purpose was symbolic and religious, representing that foundation myth. Perhaps that goes for the pyramids of Giza too, which were in essence just deluxe versions of the same. If people were buried in them at any point, I think that was secondary to their true significance as ways of communing with the gods and the universe.

Putting a Pharaoh inside was probably like burying British monarchs in Westminster Abbey. After all, Queens Elizabeth and Mary are buried right bang in the middle of the Abbey but that's not why it was built or its principle significance for generations of Brits.

Lots of sites out there debating these issues but it does get kind of confusing because there are so many theories. And that's without even starting on the mystery of the Sphinx' water-damaged face. Or the linguistic research into the Nostratic mother language of the Indo-Europeans which many scholars belief wasn't a kick in the arse off the tongue of the ancient Egyptians, demonstrating Heyerdahl-type ideas of cultural diffusion that complicate the whole picture.

Fascinating though.
 
 
Jack Fear
15:13 / 16.02.03
The notion of pyramid power was briefly a fad in the 1970s, and apparently still gets some play among the crystals-and-aromatherapy set.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
21:39 / 16.02.03
Has anyone ever tried these experiments?

Yes, with careful attention to proportions and positioning. Food samples went mouldy, scalpels stayed blunt, batteries went green and leaked. Mark you, the Ancient Egyptians didn't make their pyramids out of cornflakes packets.
 
 
Cailín
22:04 / 16.02.03
There is also the possibility that the pyramids were an early form of social prgram. One of my professors tells me that the pyramids were sometimes built by farmers in the off-season. After the harvest, when all the farmers had nothing to do until spring, they could go to help build these pyramids. No word as to whether or not they got paid, but apparently it was voluntary, and gave these bored fellas something to do until it was time to plant again.
 
 
Elbereth
01:40 / 17.02.03
pyramids are also the easiest large structure to build. Althougth they do take some mathmatics it's simply a large square level follwed by a slightly smaller one and slightly smaller one. Usually different cultures built pyramids when they had mastered some of the fundamentals of mathematics but still lacked certain technological advances necessary for making structures of different shapes.
 
 
grant
14:29 / 17.02.03
There's a Russian dude who's building mondo big pyramids all over like Moscow and stuff. People, like, are into it.



His name is Golod, and he says the shape has something to do with regulating temperature.

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My favorite explanation has been that they're big observatories - the shafts were a way to block out excess light, like telescopes without lenses.

There's some interesting (if slightly goofy) stats here, with some astronomical stuff there if you scroll down.

Part of the theory in the form I first heard it involved the Egyptian pyramids originally being flat-topped, like the Mayan pyramids, with the tops being added by later dynasties who didn't get what they were originally for.

Apparently, according to this fun & fact-filled pyramid/egyptology timeline, the idea originated in the late 1800s with British astronomer Richard Anthony Proctor.

According to this rather dense page:
[102:154] - Each of the ceiling stones in the Grand Gallery were individually removable. The Great Pyramid could have functioned as a stellar observatory during its construction.
 
 
Joe
00:52 / 21.02.03
You can find out all you want to know about pyramids on dailygrail.com (sorry I don't know how to add hyperlinks). As someone who has just finished a degree in Egyptian Archaeology I can say they were tombs, bodies have been found inside, there is a solid line of evolution through the 2 dynasties prior to Giza and there is a normal social development. If you look at books by egyptologists such as Christopher Eyre, Steven Snape, John Baines, Mark Collier, or I.E.S. Edwards you can quickly see how the theories of pseudo-egyptologists (such as that twat Hancock) fall apart.
 
 
bjacques
13:13 / 21.02.03
At least one rich Roman was fascinated by them, and built one for his tomb. It's about 15 feet high, and in Trastavere, I think, near the local train station that leads to the Lido.
 
 
KING FELIX
13:15 / 21.02.03
They found a body in the big one at Giza? This was news to me, when and where?
 
 
The resistable rise of Reidcourchie
15:25 / 23.02.03
I must admit I always thought that there was quite a big delineation betwixt Tombs, temples and pyramids. Which pyramids where bodies found in and where they found presented in the same way as in a tomb?

Joe I have a question which is probably going to come over like my being smart or trying to score points (or it may just sound stupid) but I'm going to ask it anyway, what are you going to do with a degree in Egyptian Architecture?

I noticed yesterday in the local bookshop that a book has come out sugesting that all the pyramids where built by extra terrestrials stuff was in fact a govenrment conspiracy (though to what ends I have no idea), I decided not to buy it, choosing instead to read my Doc Savage stories.
 
 
the king of byblos
12:44 / 27.02.03
hoor-rah to Elbereth for poiting out what has to be the most missed thing amongs all these 'wow there are pyramids everywhere, man!'
If i were pre-historic and had no sizeable quanity of ferrous material- not even for scaffold- i think i would build something that was smaller at the top too.

Maybe pharoes were the original goths and just liked to sleep somewhere cold and tomb like?

Weren't most of them actually buried out in the desert in a sort of 'return the body of the god to the land' kinda way- most eurpoean stone age burials are high-status, everyone else just got chucked in the river of burnt!
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
18:31 / 27.02.03
I'd understood that what was so amazing about the Egyptian pyramids wasn't their shape per se, but that they were so massive & yet perfectly level. Like, even with current techonology and math we'd have a hard time building stable structures in those conditions -- on sand, and with either no mortar or poor mortar (I think this part depends on the pyramid).

There's a "remote viewer" named Joseph "Don't Call Me Psychic" McMoneagle, formerly of the US State Department, who thinks it was done by creating a big shallow pool around the building site. Fill the pool up, lay the foundation stones in it and shave them off to the level of the water, fill the pool up a little more, and so on. Last I knew, no one had tested the stones to see whether they'd once been submerged.

None of which has anything to do with what they were for. What is any of it for? Something to do when you're not eating, screwing, or dying.
 
 
John Adlin
09:36 / 16.03.03
Could be (And its just my opinon) some kind of Mediation chamber used by the Egypian hireachy. In the Book "Where science and Magic meet." There's reaserch done into Bronze age Buerial chambers where the density of the clay and stone used work as a kid of Faraday's Cage and block out a lot of background elecrtomagnetic interferance. Have the pryamids been subject to a kind of "Dragon Project" I don't know.
 
  
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