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The crisis of credibility

 
 
sleazenation
14:32 / 10.02.03
Echoing its recent statments eminating from the US that the UN risks making itself irrelevant (like the league of nations) The US is now saying NATO faces a crisis of credibility.

So when you have the world's last superpower seeming so willing to act unilatrally with or without the UN's backing how much 'credibility' do international institutions such as the UN and NATO really have. Is their only function is to rubber stamp the dictates of the a single nation? If so are they really worth belonging to at all, or do such bodies still perform a valuable service? Would scrapping the UN be a case of throwing the baby out with the bathwater?

In short, what is the case for membership to international bodies such as the UN and NATO?
 
 
grant
18:12 / 10.02.03
Why, to defeat the US, of course.
 
 
Baz Auckland
19:05 / 10.02.03
Since the UN and NATO haven't been rubberstamping the US, they seem to have a purpose. Not to defeat the US, but try and get some resistance? or try and get the US to fall in line with international opinion? The UN doesn't seem to be very valuable if it can't stop the US, but I'm sure the US has defied UN orders on countless occasions over the years (mining Nicaragua's harbours comes to mind as an example).

Like the creation of the ICC, the UN can be used as an example of 'if you don't want to play with us, we can just ignore you.' But I guess if the US did leave the UN or just start ignoring it more (than it does already?), it would make a lot of people uneasy, and possibly lead to more people disregarding it.

It always annoyed me to hear someone like Sen. Helms complaining about the UN, saying that if it wants the US to stay in and pay its dues, the UN better change its ways and follow the US more.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
21:17 / 10.02.03
Hmmm. Except, of course, that the US is not paying its dues. It owes the UN a huge amount of money in defaulted membership subs, IIRC. The League of Nations had the same problem - a US that was not actually very interested in the pivotal role it needed to take up to make the organisation credible. And look how well that ended up.

The UN has all sorts of uses - its humanitarian and peacekeeping elements, for example, seem to me at least to be very valuable, and not something any individual nation would be willing or able to do, except possibly the US. It also means that if the US does start to act unilaterally, countries in the firing line can hope that their cause will be taken up by countries less likely to be steamrollered militarily by the US. However, the UN cannot stand militarily against the US (unless those of its member states with nuclear weapons demonstrate willingness to use them, which would not be the way forward), nor should it have to.


Have to admit, though, that I don't understand why NATO troops shoul not go into Turkey. Better NATO than US troops, especially given the incredible level of resistance to US troops in Turkey, and Turkey is entitled under Article 5 o ask NATO for protection if it feels its borders are under threat, which it clearly does. On the other hand, I doubt that Iraq would be strategically dumb enough to try to extend supply lines to open a front in an area lousy with Kurdish guerillas...
 
 
Baz Auckland
23:45 / 10.02.03
I couldn't find anything in the articles about why Belgium, France and Germany blocked it. My guess is that the NATO troops, once in Eastern Turkey, would be used against Iraq in some way or another.

Maybe they doubt Turkey is in danger by a pre-emptive strike from Iraq, and that it's a ploy to get NATO troops on the Iraqi border.
 
 
Mr Tricks
23:54 / 10.02.03
Perhaps by vetoing Nato support it will leverage Turkey to be a little more cautious about supporting the placement of U.S. troops etc with-in their borders... And this might offer some gained ground in multilateralism...
 
 
Fist Fun
08:03 / 11.02.03
I couldn't find anything in the articles about why Belgium, France and Germany blocked it.

The reason given was that it made war seem inevitable. It seems the decision has been taken as a symbol of resistance to the US policy towards Iraq rather than on the merits of sending NATO troops itno Turkey.
 
  
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