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Lucid Dreaming: Fly So High

 
  

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SevenRedBlurs
05:03 / 08.02.03
I think I’ve almost mastered the art of flying in lucid dreams. It’s my favourite thing to do in dreams besides talking to people. I have just one limitation though, I can only reach a certain height.

I have two categories of dreams, the first category seems almost like astral projection, but I hesitate to call it that. I’m aware of the realities of my surroundings, but beholden to none of them. In those types of dreams I can usually fly up to a height of about 6 to 10 stories.

Category two I know everything around me is a dream. In these dreams I can go up to somewhere around the equivalent of 100 stories or so.

After I reach these heights, I usually max out and can’t get any higher. I can do any thing else while I fly, flips, spins, halting, busting through other dimensions, etc. I just can’t seem to break that height barrier.

My only guess would be that I don’t have enough real life sensory information of being at that high of an altitude to achieve it in my dreams. But of course 90% of what I dream. But then the majority of what I dream, I’ve never had sensory information about anyway,

I’m just wondering if anyone else has experienced this, if it’s a common thing, or if it’s just something about me personally.
 
 
Warewullf up North
21:15 / 08.02.03
I can't fly very high in my Lucid Dreams. It's beacuse I'm afraid of heights, though, so I tend to stay at a height I'm comfortable with. As the dream progresses, I tend to go slightly higher. The most is about, say, 20 feet in the air.
 
 
SevenRedBlurs
00:20 / 09.02.03
I'm not really afraid of heights, so I don't think that's it.

Do you use lucid dreaming, like some people do, to get over their fears? I'm always interested in that sort of thing, but never talked to anyone who's used lucid dreaming to do it.
 
 
cusm
02:34 / 09.02.03
I went higher once, but it was only by changing my perspective to seeing the earth diminishing below me as I looked down from orbit rather than as ascending myself through normal means. I did that as a shortcut to getting somewhere once, pulling way back and then zooming back in again to where I was trying to go to.
 
 
SevenRedBlurs
03:02 / 09.02.03
that's a good idea, I'll have to try that next time.

Did it work pretty well?
 
 
Elbereth
07:30 / 09.02.03
i am very good at flying in lucid dreaming but i also have a problem with flight above a certain level. in my dreams anything out of atmosphere is off limits. i think this is because it's my limit to traveling to other places (astral dimensions. I've traveled to other dimensions before through lucid dreaming but because of past experiences i hesitated to do it again(I went to "hell" or purgatory") it doesn't seem a limit on my ability so much as a limit on my mind and my preconceived notions. I'm not sure how to get around those though. how does one change an irrational preconceived notion?
 
 
Seth
09:26 / 09.02.03
It reminds me of the limitations of computer games - you can't rise above a certain level or "go off the map." I agree that it's likely to be because it exceeds the world model of the dreamer in a lot of cases. Perhaps it would be beneficial to develop detailed waking fantasies of this type, assisted by watching as many films as possible that have extended flying sequences. The idea being to put the idea of unlimited, unassisted flight within your conception of the waking world, so that it's more likely to be accessed within dreams.
 
 
Warewullf up North
12:59 / 09.02.03
That's a good idea, Reflect.

Seven: Do you use lucid dreaming, like some people do, to get over their fears?
I haven't had the chance! Most LD's only last a couple of minutes for me!
 
 
SevenRedBlurs
20:46 / 09.02.03
I will try that too reflect, thanks for the idea.

Warewullf up North, my regular dreams are very short, but my LD's can sometimes feel like 8 hours or more. I've learned a few tricks to keep them going, like spinning around when I think I'm loosing it, but mostly the only thing that knocks me out of them is being woken prematurely or getting scared that I might not wake up.

In any case I can’t really think of a fear I have that can be overcome in my LD’s but the idea of it interest me.
 
 
Sunny
21:06 / 09.02.03
shit I think I've been in hell about twice? it wasn't that bad, just the being aware that you're in this prison and some demons' are making you walk up this fucking red hell-like canyon place. but elbereth, your experience must've been worse huh? I just have trouble getting to dream-how do you guys do it? and also how do you get to the lucid state(and other tricks to keep it besides spinning)? I know that there might be some thread that explains this perfectly but I want to talk to real people you know?
 
 
Potguns
22:35 / 09.02.03
A pieceofadvice one of my friends told me was that if youre in a room in a dream turn the light switch on. If you can do this you have effectivley controlled your dream and then can get to a lucid state. At the moment in my dreams I cant fly but I seem to be able to jump and float which is getting somewhere.
I had a dream the other day where there was four basketball rings each one about ten foot above the last and had to slam them lotsa fun feelin like jordan for 15 minutes or so.

Pot.
 
 
SevenRedBlurs
00:22 / 10.02.03
method man, It might be a good idea to check out the movie waking life. http://www.wakinglifemovie.com Waking Life astounded me, because it captured so many things I had experienced in lucid dreaming.

I’ve had LD’s since I was a kid, so I am pretty good at just feeling them out now. I’ve never done anything to get to a lucid state. If I’m not immediately in a lucid state now days, I can usually just feel something is not right and then figure out that I’m dreaming. Sometimes the absurdness of the situation will piss me off and then it occurs to me than I’m dreaming

There’s a few things I can tell you abut recognizing that your there.

The light switch trick usually works. Anything electrical typically functions a bit oddly. Words don’t always coalesce. Digital alarm clocks and watches operate weirdly and are often indecipherable.

I don’t know about others, but I also usually start out in a centralized landscape. I can even recognize and change the pieces of it. The pieces are usually buildings and places I frequent or that have special meaning to me. It’s almost like my personal dream space. Then I can move on to other parts. Not always, but usually.

So be on the look out for things that change, buildings, objects, whatever. I find the closer I Get to something, it usually changes form.

Everything I’ve ever head on the subject says to do reality checks. I usually do these anyway, but it’d probably be a good idea to make it a habit. Look at your watch or flick a switch or just ask yourself if everything feels right.

Seeing waking life a few months ago really made me think about really exploring my Lucid Dreams. Before hand I was pretty lazy, and I still am pretty lazy.

I’ve just started a dream journal and it’s helped e remember the dreams I’m not lucid for and the dreams that feel more like astral projection. And it’s probably helped with the lucid dreams too, but I never had much of a problem remembering them any more than I do my regular life. So a dream journal is probably a good idea.

As far as staying in a lucid dream. #1 it helps to have your alarm clock turned off. #2 the spinning thing is my best trick when I’m desperate. The only other thing I do when I can feel it slipping is to find things that don’t feel like they come from me. Either a person or thing in my dream space that doesn’t feel like I generated it or going to a whole other dream space. Once you find that person, place or thing, explore it. My favourite thing to do is to talk with other dreamers.

That’s about as well as I Can explain it to you. I’m sure there are those here with more discipline who can tell you more.
 
 
Tamayyurt
00:26 / 10.02.03
That reminds me of a scene in waking life. I usually fly in my dreams. They're not lucid cause I don't know I'm dreaming. It's just something that comes naturally ti me in that state. I hardly ever walk I just float and when shit start turning nightmarish I'll fly. But most of the time I fly for fun. But the second I realize I'm dreaming I wake up.
 
 
SevenRedBlurs
00:27 / 10.02.03
Actually, speaking of discipline. I might as well ask while the we’re on the topic of staying in a lucid dream.

I have one thing that really kicks me out of them and that’s fear. I’ve never really gotten over the fear of being in the dream forever. It usually only kicks in on the very long lucid dreams. After what feels like a day or so in the dream, I’ll start thinking about how long one can actually stay in a dream and this quickly descends into fear of staying in the dream.

The odd things is, at least on the surface, I’m not really worried about it. The longest dreams I’ve had have all taken place in two to three hour nap times, so my logical mind at least doesn’t see a correlation between the time out of this world and in a dream.

Anyone else encounter this?
 
 
Tamayyurt
00:32 / 10.02.03
damn, you posted while I was writing now my waking life comment sounds retarded!

anyway, 7RB, how didn't you begin LD?
 
 
SevenRedBlurs
00:36 / 10.02.03
impulsivelad, so even thoguh you don't realize it's a dream, you have control over what your doing?
 
 
Tamayyurt
00:39 / 10.02.03
yes, I believe it's real... I just fly. and it doesn't strike me as odd and doesn't tip me off. I'm flying and I never think "Shit this is a dream!"

When I do (usually sad dreams) I wake up.
 
 
SevenRedBlurs
00:51 / 10.02.03
lol, sorry impulsivelad.

I get that sometimes, when your in the dream, and you never realize how goofy it is.

Do you mean how did I start? I kind of just did.

The first ones I remember, I was about 5 or 6 and I had a recurring dream where I was in Russia, in winter, fighting with Anubis. It was more spiritual than hand to hand. And Anubis is laying all this stuff on me about how he will own my soul or some such nonsense ( I don’t remember the specifics of what he said.)

I looked around myself at one point, I’m fighting this demon thing(I didn’t know who Anubis was at the time), I’m fighting him in Russia in two feat of snow and then realized, basically like you said, “Shit, I’m in a dream”.

And then I just didn’t bother with him any more, I would fly away or create my own reality. And eventually Anubis stopped showing up, well he did, but usually only on my birthdays. So I just started having different dreams past that point, until I was about 14 most of my dreams were of places I would visit in the future, but those fell away more and more as lucid dreaming gradually increased.
 
 
The Tower Always Falls
02:24 / 10.02.03
Anubis? Damn. I had a dream with Thoth once. He appeared as a slightly overweight Asian man with a palm pilot that he wrote in and dressed in black. We went to a carnvial and he started hooking up a video camera to my ear to record my thoughts so he could write them down. Very Lynch Mystery Man actually, minus the creepieness factor...

My point being (besides, HEY! Egyptian gods in dreams!) that whenever it is something "more" than a dream, you can often tell. It just feels... weightier, for lack of a better term. Those are the dreams that I try to dive into. The Thoth dream was the only time I managed to successfully communicate, but even then my questions were so simple and malformed that I feel I didn't get the most out of the experience.

I've already gone over my sleep paralysis experience in another thread, and yep Blur, fear can kick you out of the dream real quick. Which can perhaps short some real learning experiences... I've been trying to get better at dealing with fear in my dreams, and keeping a dream journal does help in that case.

That brings up an interesting question, which is perhaps suited for another thread. How do people cope with the Fear? Not just in dreams but in Magick in general?

/minor thread rot The best part of waking life was how he flew. That is EXACTLY how it occurs in m dreams...
 
 
SevenRedBlurs
02:55 / 10.02.03
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a few thread rots

Do you float and then gain control or do you just sort of float up and away?

How long ago was the sleep paralysis thread? I’d like to read about that.

Did thoth have a reed pen? Or did he use the palm pilot?

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It’s an interesting question of how to deal with fear. For me, I barely even register the fear and I’m awake. So I would think it would require some preemptive techniques.

As far as magick goes, I’d also like to hear how people deal with fear.
 
 
Sunny
02:58 / 10.02.03
ah man, yes I have seen waking life, its one of my all time favorite films, fucking beautiful. I rarely get to the point of lucid dreaming, because I wake up(but now I've got some tricks for that, thanks). mine are usually, uh adventure and/or game dreams? the last one I had was trying to run away from these lizard men type people(think that video game Gex) and while doing it found out how they stole money from this store owner or something. but I never get to have conversations with people like you folks. I wish I was like you 7rb to the point of being scared of not waking up. that'd be cool. I guess it takes practice. but hey thanks again.
 
 
Devil's Avocado
10:48 / 10.02.03
sorry to be a late comer, but just saw this one.. so many shared experiences here I had to post.

Flying
My flying dreams in recent years started with a matrix-like escape from something that looked like a level of 'Diablo'. During the hot persuit, I suddenly realised I could fly in a very 'shit this is a dream' way, but without realising that it was in fact a dream. Suddenly the dream transformed and became almost entirely about learning how to fly and the euphopria of it all. I spent *hours* in this state watching birds swoop and stall - (all very J.L.Seagul) trying to emulate them.

The next significant dream was much less peter pan and more levitating, flotaing to a position and holding, but still in a horozontal position - for example laying flat close to the celing in a room full of people. (This particular dream was defintely astral projection). I had a few more levitating dreams, both controlled and uncontrolled - one where I saw a UFO out of the window and ran to tell my friend, only to find in the excitement my feet had come off the ground and I was in fact levitating.

Then the last flying I remember was *complete* control over my flight. I was in a vertical position, arms by my side and was shifting al over the place both on the ground and in the sky at the speed of thought. So I guess this would be more teleportation/levitation rahter than flying. The key thing about this 'final' dream was seeing a friend watch me enviuosly as he bobbed unsteadily (this friend was also flying with me in other dreams). I realised I had been training and building up my skill, and this dream represented a graduation of sorts. Havent had one I could recall since.

Egyptian Gods in dreams
ok I had an awsesome experience of this mid November where I was totally aware of being watched over by Isis, Osiris and Horus (and others I couldn't make out) What was amazing about this dream was that as I became aware of them watching me, I looked at Osiris, then opened my eyes from deep sleep to see the sunrise, feeling joyous in Osiris' return, and then closed them to go back in the dream. I was completely freaked at how I slipped seamlessly from deep sleep, to calm bright eyed wakefullness and back to the dream. At that time there was no division between the states, and there is no question I was awake and not dreaming I was awake (for lots of reasons I wont go into now).
Has anyone else had this transition from dream to wake to dream?

Fear
Interestinly this also ties in with my attempts to deal with fear popping you out of your dream. For me, particularly if I feel I'm being attacked, or having a 'nightmare' once I've woken up, I wait for the hairs on the back of my neck to settle down, astrally arm and protect myself ("give me guns.. lots of guns" -Keanu) , and go straight back into it. I'm still working on stopping waking from excitement when I realise I'm dreaming. The only advice I've been given on this is 'keep going, eventually you'll stop getting so excited that you wont actually wake'

Theres also another experience I've had for many years that I'm trying to work out; it's the inverse of the fear you get when you are about to go to the toilet in a dream - (which seems to be a subsoncsious signal pasted into your dream to wake up so you don't wet yourself.) Basically often when I am going to the toilet in waking hours I have a sudden fear that I am in fact dreaming. It's got stronger over they years and I've recently found I'm not alone in this. I think it's something to do with fear of being lost as barriers between wake/sleep disolve. A bit like the never waking up fear. Anyone else get this?

On general magickal fear, or when a nightmare takes over I often go for the 'fear is the mind killer' mantra from Dune. That usully stops the panic, but doesn't eradicate the fear. Once I can function, I just get on with it, knotted guts or no.
 
 
Quantum
15:03 / 11.02.03
I too stop to check I'm awake when I need to pee...
I'm not often very afraid in dreams, but when I am it is of monsters or villains- I never get afraid that I'll never wake up. Are you afraid you'll never sleep again when you're awake? no. Of course, my dreams are rarely lucid, I don't have the discipline to build up the skill. I believe it to be a skill very like not wetting the bed. That is training your dream/sleeping self, and everybody (almost!) manages it- why don't we teach kids to be aware of their dreams as well?- but can you remember how long it took to develop that skill?
The most useful lucid dreaming advice I got from a book, which was basically a shamanic technique. Just before you go to sleep, meditate on a white empty space and just wait. Before long your power animal will come along to see you. Apparently the more terrifying it appears the more powerful it is, and you shouldn't be afraid. Once you've made contact, you can summon it to help you in your dreams, and it will help you remember them and be lucid. I (sceptically) tried this and was immediately surprised by the results. I expected nothing to happen, or random visions, or that I would construct something. In fact pretty quickly a mythical beast flew along, which was feisty and wilful. I befriended it and it took me flying over the dreamworld- I recommend it.
I can't remember the author of that book but there's plenty of resources on the web- google Lucid Dreaming and you get loads.
 
 
SevenRedBlurs
18:15 / 11.02.03
"Are you afraid you'll never sleep again when you're awake? no."- Quantum

I hadn't really thought of it that way, Quantum. I know I'd tell my kids as early as possible about the nature of dreams. I was woefully unprepared and when I realized I was experiencing things other kids apparently didn't, I thought I was going crazy.

cusm, I tried your technique of watching the earth diminish and it almost worked. I can tell with a little more practice I’ll have it down soon, thanks for the tip.

Also, Methodman and whoever else cares, one thing I forgot to mention for inducing lucid dreaming. I’ve found that Aphex Twin “Selected Ambient Works, Vol. 2” is very good for inducing a lucid dream state. It also helps me for waking dream states. Apparently Aphex Twin is a natural lucid and waking dreamer and much of the album was composed while either lucid dreaming or in a waking dream state.
Aphex is known to tweak people though, so I don’t know how much of that is true. I just know the album pops circuits in my brain very few other albums do.

Lately I’ve been listening to a lot of didgeridoo too, and this seems to be effective.
 
 
The Tower Always Falls
18:27 / 11.02.03
The sleep paralysis thread didn't start that way, but I sort of hijacked it a bithere. There's some good stuff about people meeting Barbelith.

As for flying, it's mostly the former. I start flaoting and then gain control about five feet off the ground, where I slowly go horizontal and then take off.

And Thoth used the palm pilot as his tablet, but his stylus was a plastic space-age contemporary version of the traditional reed pen. Gods evolve.

method: *cough* ... heh. a video game with lizard people named "Gex"? heh... Check it out... Does imp know about this?

This is a good dream thread as well.

But the advice that keeps getting repeated over and over is "keep a ream journal". Having done so for a while, I'm just now starting to find out some very interesting things. I think I know my octarine now... Plus, anyone know anything about giant worms?
 
 
Warewullf up North
20:07 / 11.02.03
Aphex Twin “Selected Ambient Works, Vol. 2"
Cool. I'm getting this now. How/when do you listen to it? Before sleep? During the day? In bed with headphones?
 
 
Seth
20:48 / 11.02.03
It's ambient: you can listen to it as closely or as distractedly as you like. Try playing the CDs on repeat while you sleep.
 
 
SevenRedBlurs
00:44 / 12.02.03
Like Reflect said, you cna listen to it whenever. I usually put it on before I go to sleep but I also enjoy listening to it whenever, I always notice new things.

Tower, thanks for the links.
 
 
Funktion
06:54 / 12.02.03
Hmm,

Your talk of 'height limits' to flying in lucid dreams in very interesting to me. Personally I never have a problem flying high.
I sometimes have problems taking off tho and its more like swimming in the air than flying...
I learned to lucidly fly from something like a floating platform/zeppelin airship tho as a kid so maybe that explains the no height but weird take off a bit...
 
 
cusm
17:08 / 12.02.03
Funny, the one time I ran into Toth he was a blinding eight pointed star of light. They get around, I suppose. Now Nephystus (sp), there was a looker. I always know when I'm the presence of a goddess, as not only do I know their name instantly, but there's this overwhelming feeling of being in love with them that comes with looking at them.

But anyway, flying. I've noted a couple of different techniques for this. Sometimes, I do it by willing myself into the air with telekenesis (another ability I play with frequently in LD). Sometimes I swim through the air like it is water. Sometimes I shapeshift into something that can fly. And then there are times I navigate by willing myself to be in a particular place, kind of like how one might travel by willingthemselves to be somewhere, only that somewhere is up in the air. The last one is a bit harder to explain, I suppose. In any case, the pulling back to orbit bit is more of the last style of travel for me. I'm not so much thinking about moveing as just being somewhere else, and then the movement happens as a side effect of this.
 
 
SevenRedBlurs
03:01 / 13.02.03
Funktion, I would think learning to fly off a Zeppelin does have something to do with it. I find it pretty fascinating that learning through different means would have that effect.

“as not only do I know their name instantly, but there's this overwhelming feeling of being in love with them that comes with looking at them.”- cusm

I don’t know enough about the subject to know if that reaction is universal or not, but I know that’s how I’ve felt the few times it’s happened to me. By far the most spectacular feelings and moments I’ve had in dreams were a handful of encounters with Isis. The first few wholly unexpected, but I knew right away when she appeared.
 
 
Funktion
05:29 / 13.02.03
SevenRedBlurs,

Right on. Strangely, I was one of a dozen or so children on the vessel learning to fly that way. That dream re-occured 3 times and then I never had it again but after that lucid flying was something I could pretty do whenever, tho sometimes I do have to "swim the air" to take off...

BTW natural digeridoos are produced awesome sounds!
 
 
Devil's Avocado
18:26 / 13.02.03
7rb:By far the most spectacular feelings and moments I’ve had in dreams were a handful of encounters with Isis.
Know exactly what you mean. The last one inspired me to work onthis.

Cusm:kind of like how one might travel by willing themselves to be somewhere
Nail on the head. I find the 'zooming out' approach very interesting as I had an experience like this at about 7, zooming out of the planet, solar system etc.. never done it in dream though, that I recall.

I'm finding the 'swimming' analogy interesting as my girlfriend describes a variety of similar 'flying' dreams, with emphasis on control, movement but always in water.
 
 
SevenRedBlurs
05:46 / 14.02.03
Wow, Asa, the image of Isis is quite stunning. So it's awork in progress still? The rest of your sight is impressive too.
 
 
Devil's Avocado
09:51 / 14.02.03
7rb: It's a still from a slow, looping animation I'm working on. Got a couple more bits to add before I'd consider a still shot from it 'finished' in it's own right.. Cheers for the feedback on the site (it's very old now)
 
  

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