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Yeah Yeah Yeahs : "as a fuck son, you suck"

 
  

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Sunny
01:28 / 08.02.03
man, you've gotta love the yeah yeah yeahs. they'd be my favorite band right now if they just had more songs. but the thing is that they don't play them on the radio! and I asked them to play them but I was just told that more people need to request it to have it played-what is that? Well anyways I just wanted to know what the general opinion of them in this place. love em? or hate em?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
11:51 / 08.02.03
There was a thread about them a while ago, but I can't seem to find it...

Personally, I love them. 'Mystery Girl' was definitely one of my theme songs for 2002 and I'm still not sick of it - doubt I ever will be. In fact, that self-titled EP as a whole thrills me, and also has possibly the best, sexiest cover I've seen in a while (if only it was actually called 'Master' though). Slightly less fond of 'Machine', *but* what I am impressed with is the fact that their album, which is to be called Fever To Tell, won't feature any of their previously released material (compare this to The Strokes - about half the songs on 'Is This It' had been previously released).

I'm lucky enough to have a CD of the band live in studio on WFMU and doing a couple of tracks for John Peel, and I can report that the new stuff really seals the deal - in my opinion, they're genuinely brilliant, and despite the hype should not be confused as one-trick scenesters (The One-Trick Scenesters is a great name for a band though, eh?). Some of the tracks are more of what was great about the EP, only more so - filthy sex vibe, slightly wasted feel, funked-up rock'n'roll, very NYC debauchery - eg 'Black Tongue', 'Cold Light' - except the latter also has this sort of wintry element to it - would seem to be about keeping warm in yr unheated bohemian Williamsburg loft squat, by fucking. Okay, I projected the bit about the loft. It does have an incest reference, though, which I like although it is neither big nor clever - "we can do it to each other, like a sister and a brother".

Others see them displaying previously unheard talents - 'Rich' has this fantastic sound which is, I think, guitar, but sounds much more repetitive and danceable - is this a Krautrock thing? Me not know, not muso enough. But it's great. Best of all is 'Maps', described by the band as being intended to become "that song that everyone puts on mix-tapes" (which in itself is a reason to adore them). It's just (over-used phrase alert) achingly beautiful - just a love song, really, very pining, with the refrain "wait... they don't love you like I love you". This is the song I am hoping will convince people who are currently sceptical about the Yeah Yeah Yeahs. It's great autumn/winter music, as is the similar 'Y Control'.

So... yes, at least one fan here. Interesting to note that having initially tipped the Yeahs as the Next Big Thing, people like the NME have decided to focus on shitter, maler bands, like The Vines, The Datsuns, and in fact the whole 'New Rock Revolution' - bleurgh.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
12:32 / 08.02.03
"Maps" is the Yeah Yeah Yeahs song. As great as a lot of the other songs are, that one is it. "Y-Control" comes close, though. The guitar sound in both of those songs is pure early 90s Matador - one part S+E era Pavement, one part Dirt Of Luck era Helium, a dash of JSBX.

About "I'm Rich" - that's a heavily doctored guitar riff looped and played live on a sampler. I wouldn't really throw the word "Krautrock" at it, but it is electro and repetitive. They use the same technique on "Maps", "Y-Control", and any other song that requires more than just one guitar line.

I'm sort of indifferent to Karen O, but the guitarist and drummer of the Yeah Yeah Yeahs are tops.
 
 
rizla mission
13:20 / 09.02.03
I reckon they're pretty good. Not anywhere near worthy of the levels of hype surrounding them of course, and not any better than ..say.. 267 other bands who released records last year. But still pretty good.
 
 
Sunny
20:44 / 09.02.03
yeah the cover is glowing with that sexual tint huh? uh the photoshoot in the face not so much though. they have a pretty good article on them, how they've pissed off courtney love and other stuff.
so rizla, essentially you're saying that they suck? sorry that you had greater expectations and everything. I think the reason for the hype is to get people to listen to them-I just got into them recently, saw their name in a couple magazines and heard someone in the strokes was wearing a yeahs shirt so I checked them out.
hey so if I like them, what other bands would you people recommend? or just what other bands would you recommend?
 
 
Axel Lambert
21:48 / 09.02.03
I saw them live last summer and let me tell you: it was the best gig I've ever seen by any band. I'm not kidding you. Karen O is magical on stage.

Other bands? Von Bondies perhaps?
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
23:28 / 09.02.03
Come now, don't be foolish.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
00:07 / 10.02.03
If you want to hear "Maps", I'll be keeping an MP3 of the song on my blog for a week.
 
 
rizla mission
13:05 / 10.02.03
so rizla, essentially you're saying that they suck? sorry that you had greater expectations and everything.

no, no, no* - I like 'em.

I'm just doing my standard thing of patronisingly pointing out that there are also loads of other groups of equal or greater prowess who don't know the right people and don't get photo shoots in The Face..

They're not gonna "SAVE THE WORLD FROM NU-METAL", they're not a "RAY OF LIGHT IN THE DRAB MUSICAL LANDSCAPE" - that's NME talk.

They're just a pretty cool band, to be celebrated alongside all the other cool bands.

*no gag intended
 
 
Sunny
03:36 / 11.02.03
ok, I just have a different perspective-not into music so much, haven't heard as many bands as you. what five bands(or more) would you recommend then, that I really have to check out?
 
 
Saveloy
08:03 / 11.02.03
method man>

I'd recommend all of the following to anyone with a liking for the Yeah Yeah Yeahs, with the disclaimer that my opinion on some of them is based on hearing 2 or 3 tracks only. They don't all sound exactly like the YYY's, but I reckon they fit into the category of Current Guitar-Based Bands Which Rock (and Roll) But Which Aren't Metal:

Von Bondies
The Detroit Cobras
Mr Airplane Man
Ikara Colt
Liars
Erase Errata
The Beatings
The Buff Medways
Mclusky
Lightning Bolt
The Kills
80s B-Line Matchbox Disaster
Datsuns
Clone Defects
Country Teasers
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
12:09 / 11.02.03
Ah, those bands are all way too new. I think that if you really wanted to find other music along the same lines as the Yeah Yeah Yeahs, you should investigate mid 90s indie rock, because that's what they really sound like.

A few things to start out on:

I already mentioned Helium - I would recommend buying their The Dirt Of Luck LP.

You'd probably quite like the Jon Spencer Blues Explosion, who I think the YYYs borrow from quite a bit - their albums Orange and Now I Got Worry should be right up your alley.

If you like songs like "Maps" and "Y-Control", I'd suggest checking out Pavement's Slanted And Enchanted: Luxe And Reduxe.

Sleater-Kinney is another obvious band to check out, I'd recommend starting off with their Dig Me Out album.

You'd probably really like Le Tigre too, and their first self-titled album is the best place to start with them.

If you haven't already heard Hole's Live Through This, there's a good chance that you might love it if you're into the YYYs.

Going back a few decades, I think you'd really love The Slits. Their album Cut has a similar kind of punky spunky joy to it, and is one of my favorite punk rock records ever.

I'd also think that you'd probably dig Sonic Youth, especially the songs that Kim Gordon sings on, but it's hard to say which SY LP I'd recommend in this case. I think that the SY album Dirty is probably the closest thing to what the YYYs are like, so that's probably a good one to try. It doesn't hurt that that album is probably the most accessable SY album.

That should be a good start, anyway. I just woke up.
 
 
rizla mission
14:54 / 11.02.03
Sav's list is almost a Xerox of the one I'd have posted actually, to which I'd add (all of the following are sticking to a fairly traditional rock n' roll theme, rather than completely weird shit or stonery metal or pure punk or hardcore or whatever):

The Mooney Suzuki
The Catheters
Winnebago Deal
Young Heart Attack
Your Enemies Friends
The Lord High Fixers
The Fireballs of Freedom
The Immortal Lee County Killers (bit too 'Blues Hammer' for my tastes, but still)
The Raveonettes (shut up, I like 'em)
The Pattern (ditto)

and probably a whole army of others I've forgotten..
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
16:07 / 11.02.03
You referenced Blues Hammer!

I love you, Rizla.
 
 
rizla mission
14:02 / 12.02.03
I considered starting a thread a while back entitled "JSBX and Blues Hammer - somebody tell me the diference", but I couldn't really be bothered to make the argument either way..
 
 
rizla mission
15:01 / 12.02.03
Oh, and getting back to stuff that may appeal to fans of the YYYs, I was having a trawl through my 7" singles this morning, and came across a record which was in the running for my FAVOURITE RECORD EVER a little while ago -

"No Expectations" by a group called The Cogs, a cheap single from a few years ago on Damaged Goods records.

It'as absolutely brilliant - sped up, fuzzed up Blondie-esque guitar pop with a singer who sounds rather similar to Karen O and, well, just a fantastic pop song basically. Starts with "rum and gasoline / fill the tank full of dreams" and has a classic line about Obi Wan Kenobi selling amphetamines. The B-side's really good too.

So, er, yes, let's all go and listen to The Cogs..
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
15:08 / 12.02.03
You know what you need to do, Rizla? Digitize your rare 7" singles to MP3 and share them with us. That's what you need to do.
 
 
rizla mission
15:28 / 12.02.03
It's a lovely thought, but I don't have any of the required equipment..

(I think the Cogs record has actually been quietly rereleased recently for some bizarre reason - I keep seeing it around, but I've still never seen their album..)
 
 
Saveloy
16:05 / 12.02.03
It's simple, Riz, just send the records to me. I can digitize them now and will probably be able to do the 'putting on the web' bit some time in the future, say 5 or 6 years time when I can afford broadband. I'll have to hang on to the records in the meantime, in case there's a radiation leak from one of the nuclear subs in the harbour up the road, which would cause the mp3s to 'warp'.
 
 
gozer the destructor
16:15 / 12.02.03
Has anyone checked out deerhoof yet? as good as the yeah yeah yeahs are, they need to be a bit more experimental for my taste.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
17:09 / 12.02.03
I think that anyone interested in any of this "new rock" thing should be legally made to listen to Guided by Voices. I'm not sure why, but I could make the argument that, seeing as the Strokes seemed to be the start of it all, and GBV are their idols, then that means GBV are like the fathers of the whole scene. Or something.

But I wouldn't do that.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
17:24 / 12.02.03
Suedehead is right about GBV.

Well, if Saveloy can digitize stuff, he can send them on cd to me, and I can host the mp3s.
 
 
_pin
18:30 / 12.02.03
You could always just send them to me. I could put them by my computer which doesn't even know what an MP3 is and see if some sort of osmosis takes place.

No, really. I plan to see if my computer takes the water from the vinyl or the vinyl takes the water form the computer. Ha! You probablly thought I used the wrong word and everything!
 
 
Sunny
06:07 / 13.02.03
haha, fucking cool, thanks flux(sorry for getting all courtney love at ya earlier), rizla, saveloy, suedehead, and gozer. you guys are alright.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
21:53 / 30.03.03
New single 'Date With The Night' does exactly what it says on the tin, doesn't it? And the video is just the right side of self-parody... we are the Yeah Yeah Yeahs, we wear crazy clothes, we like to get fucked and fuck and run amok. It's their 'Alright' (remember when Supergrass were fun?), but with an 18 certificate (I think that corresponds to R for Americans).
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
19:00 / 01.04.03
(cross posted from Slits thread)

The Yeah Yeah Yeahs have their moments, but is there anything at all unique about Karen O's persona? It just seems like she's following a "How To Be A Craaaaaaazy Rock Star" manual. Does she bring anything new to the table at all?

The more I think about Karen O, the more I find her utterly depressing and completely at odds with some of the best ideals of punk, rock n roll, and the DIY aesthetic. For the Yeah Yeah Yeahs and scores of other current artists, it seems like it's more about playing dress up and embracing rock star iconography and archetypes rather than any attempt at being themselves and making something new. I'm more excited about people defying all of the exceptations of what a "Rock Star/Pop Star/___ Star" should be and forcing people to accept different types of "____ Stars."

It's a peculiar form of conservatism, I think. Ideally, I think that punk should make people feel a sense of "I could do this. I'm a big weirdo, and I don't fit into any musical stereotypes, but I can go up there and be myself and do it." I don't think the Yeah Yeah Yeahs would give many people that feeling - to be like the YYYs, you have to dress and act and behave in specific ways that people identify with some shallow marketer's notion of what rock music looks, acts, and sounds like. That's depressing to me.
 
 
_pin
19:07 / 01.04.03
(because I am a fool, this is also cross posted from the Slits thread)

Erm... I wouldn't agree with that. I'd say that their drummer is possibly the least YOU ARE NOT COOL ENOUGH TO BE ME guy in the world. But then he is a "proper" musican... And the guitarist is pretty anti-fashion tips too.

I really don't think the two men are doing any kind of anti-empowerment thing at all. I can see where you're coming from with Karen O, as she has her own personal designer, but then she seems to be pretty "do it yrself" anyway. I just honestly don't feel alienated by the band at all. They really do make everything seem easy and fun.

Really, dude- shouldn't you be picking on Interpol?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
08:02 / 02.04.03
is there anything at all unique about Karen O's persona?

My answer to this would have to be twofold:

a) I don't know. My knowledge of the history of the past 50-100 years of music and culture isn't encylcopaedic enough to be sure of the extent to which anyone's persona is 'unique'. All I (and anyone else) can say at any one time about any band or artist is "this seems fresh and exciting to me *right now*, and if I realise later that oops, it's just like someone else from 10 or 20 years ago whom I'd never heard of, or just forgotten about, so sue me" - which is to say that I think this is more subjective a question than you're presenting it as (but I suspect you know that).

b) I don't care. I've been here before, several times, where 'here' is a situation in which one or more people are stridently telling me that a band or artist I currently love is nothing more than the sum of their influences, and I've argued the toss often enough that ultimately I just have to say - I don't care. Which isn't exactly what I mean, because if I really thought a band were treading nothing but old ground, I don't think I'd have much time for 'em - what I mean is, I don't think I have quite the critical faculties to explain, if asked, exactly what it is that I find fresh and exciting about the Yeah Yeah Yeahs (certainly not at this early stage in their career).

I realise that all I'm doing here is repeating "This is all subjective. This is all subjective." in a variety of different ways, but I suspect the alternative is I say "what about the way Karen O wears a veil over her face" and you or someone else says "Patti Smith did that on the so-and-so tour in 1980" and then I say "well what about the guitar sound on x" and someone says "that's lifted straight from classic album y"... What I'm trying to say is that I can talk about why I like the Yeahs, but I can't do so in a way that proves they or specifically Karen are 'unique'. All I can say is that they don't depress me, that I'm with _pin... and hey, that's never a bad place to be, eh?
 
 
Sunny
05:35 / 02.05.03
ah, I missed that whole thing up there, maybe I'd have said something about how being original is impossible but uh flyboy pretty muched caped it up. fever to tell has come out and it fucking rocks. I hope they just get better and remain well unknown-I change my mind I hope they never play them on the radio over here along with mostly lame bands that they're trying to sell. her last name is OHM, thats fucking outrageous.
 
 
Querelle
23:14 / 07.05.03
I just saw the YYY's at the Metro in Chicago last weekend.. I have to say that I liked this band a lot before seeing them and still do, and they played a pretty good show.. but it was a let down in quite a few ways. First of all, the front row was filled with distracting photographers with large photographic and video cameras, capturing Karen O trying to both look and act like Marilyn Manson. Apparently they signed to Interscope (?!), they don't waste any time workin' that punk-rock money machine! I got the feeling, as Flux was saying, that they're playing this pre-fab rock-star role. Pretty disappointing.

Then, there was some Interscope toadie outside the show yelling that if you liked the YYY's, there was another great band (on Interscope) that the YYY's really liked who were playing, and... whatever.

To top it off, they didn't even play Bang! It's not like they're Nirvana and they've got a #1 hit on heavy rotation. Fuckers.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
23:23 / 07.05.03
Hm. When I saw them, they didn't bother with "Our Time" or "Mystery Girl," which really disappointed me. I guess they shouldn't feel obliged to play all of their songs all of the time, but geez, they have such a tiny catalog that it is definitely noticeable when they omit the more popular songs.
 
 
Querelle
02:35 / 08.05.03
Yeah, I can understand they're probably sick of playing the same songs, but if I was in a band and was bored with a song I knew people wanted to hear, I'd still play it but do something different, like sing it operatic style or something.

Sorry Flux, they did play both those songs, and "Miles Away", which is my personal favorite. So I guess that kinda makes up for it. And for the girl standing in front of me screaming "KAREN, I WANT YOUR CLIT!!" over and over.
 
 
Sunny
05:43 / 08.05.03
actually they did waste time with the punk rock money machine, well at least in the u.s. they wanted to pick a label that would allow them to maintain a good amount of freedom(I'm going to go ahead and assume that dress up already gave them that). anyways a lot of labels were trying to get them and they eventually chose to go with interscope because when it all came down to it they just wanted as many people as they could get to listen to them, isn't that what most artists want? to expose their work to as many people possible?
I like what e. randy dupre said "You don't own a creator simply because you've bought their work in the past, and that creator doesn't owe you anything." so ostensibly they could play or do whatever they want, they can do that, its called free will.
damn that sure sounds like whack-ass show...camera folk on all sides of the stage? wow. not mine, there was one photographer and that guy that records them, but my attention was completely on Karen, nick and sometimes brian and it fucking rocked. three fucking encores too!!! three!!!
I hope they do at least one more record, I've read that friends of the members in the band wouldn't be surprised if they quit just after this one on account of traveling being such a strain on Karen and something to do with after a week and a half she just runs on empty.
they've yet to disappoint me, but its probably because I don't have preconceived notions on them. or maybe its that, like flyboy, I like them so much that I just don't care. but go ahead and find more things wrong about them from your point of view, if thats what you like.
 
 
Sunny
04:43 / 01.07.03
what is up with the pin single? it was to be released on june 23, but nothing, does anyone know why and when it will actually come out?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
15:57 / 01.07.03
It was in HMV today...
 
  

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