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The Moorish Science Temple gang.

 
 
grant
16:35 / 04.02.03
I was doing research on the net yesterday on gangs. (My neighborhood, as it turns out, is big with the People Nation. I'm pretty sure there are Latin Kings in the apartment next door, and there've been incidents at the local high school with Bloods.)

Anyway, gangs.

Found this web page on 'em.

And it listed, under the People Nation allies, this one:
El Rukns (also called "Moorish Science Temple")



Pyramids, five-pointed stars and crescent moons are big in the People Nation. But the name - isn't this the outfit Hakim Bey is associated with?

What're they doing on a Florida State Department of Corrections factsheet on gangs?
 
 
GODSA ssassin
17:19 / 04.02.03
Immediate reaction: They have read the same essays some of us have, here. Whether there is any form of direct connection or not to Bey's Moorish Science Temple is debateable. I personally don't know the current state of that group. No room to speculate.

I am sure you weren't implying that individuals who take on a gang lifestyle are incapable of the search for esoteric illumination. Were you?
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
17:46 / 04.02.03
grant, submit this immediately to disinfo.com.

Damn, I gotta get me one of them People Nations.
 
 
grant
19:34 / 04.02.03
This rather right wing article links El Rukn to the DC snipers, by way of the Five Percenters & Nation of Islam.

This more mainstream article refers to El Rukn as being involved with Libyan terrorist plots in the 1980s. You'll find a bit more info on that here, on adherents.com.

The story appears to be Jeff Fort, leader of the Black P. Stone gang, goes to jail, converts to Islam, renames & reorganizes the gang, and they terrify Chicago all over again.

They apparently have character:
During the two years the former gang members were cooperating (and supposedly "in custody" at the Chicago Metropolitan Correctional Center), agents of the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) and U.S. Attorney's Office staff readily provided them with cash, liquor, Sony Walkman devices, and private conjugal visits with female acquaintances during business hours. Things got so out of hand that the former gang members were answering the phones by saying "ATF" -- leading persons calling to believe they were talking to law enforcement officers when in fact they were speaking with convicted felons.

From here, a Chicago Crime Commission site:
Black Peace Stone Nation/History & Factions

The Black P Stone Nation (BPSN) (Alliance: "People") membership is mainly African American. The Black P Stone Nation evolved from the Blackstone Rangers in the late 1960s. When Jeff Fort took control of the Blackstone Rangers, he formed a "nation" consisting of many street gangs currently known as the Black P Stone Nation. After Fort's incarceration in the early 1970s, the gang assumed a new identity, the El Rukns. The name Black P Stone Nation became non-existent. After the indictments and incarcerations of Fort and other top ranking leaders, the name Black P Stone Nation resurfaced.

Spheres of Influence

The "Nation" is active in narcotic sales, drive-by shootings, battery, assault, extortion, intimidation, and murder. Their presence is strong in the Cabrini Green and Robert Taylor Housing Developments. They are very active at 51st and Ashland, from 87th to 91st street-Halsted, and 131st-Cottage Grove. The "Nation's" illegal activities have dramatically increased over the past few years because they are aggressively challenging the Gangster Disciples throughout the city.

Leadership

The leader of the Black P Stone Nation is Jeff Fort. In 1969 Fort was mailed an invitation to President Nixon's inauguration. In 1972 he was sent to Leavenworth Kansas Correctional Center for misappropriation of Federal Funds. He is currently in prison after being convicted of "attempting to commit a treasonous act against the United States." This conviction stemmed from a 1986 incident in which Fort and other El Rukn gang members agreed to commit acts of treason against the United States government in exchange for a sizable loan from Colonel Moammar Gadhafi of Libya.


There are also a lot of kinda cool FBI documents on the Moorish Science Temple. Investigated for sedition & subversion a few times, but cleared.


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GODSA ssassin: I am sure you weren't implying that individuals who take on a gang lifestyle are incapable of the search for esoteric illumination. Were you?

No, but it's hard to picture an esoteric illuminate pulling off (or ordering) a drive-by shooting, say.

What's interesting is that a lot of different social groups get lumped together with Crips & such without being into, whatever, thug life, blood-in/blood-out... like, there's gangs and there's gangs.

(Blood-in/blood-out: a few gangs require a "blood offering" to get in - either the applicant has to pull off an assault, or else has to "walk a line"... one of those gauntlets where the people line up on either side and kick the crap out of the applicant, who has to make it to the end without falling over.)

Then again, the Latin Kings have held seminars at one of the colleges in New York, and they're a gang gang. They're all about helping their neighborhoods out and stuff... unless some Folk Nation members start showing up. Then, well, it's not safe to walk the dog anymore.

Anyway, it's odd stuff, gangs.
 
 
GODSA ssassin
20:31 / 04.02.03
it's hard to picture an esoteric illuminate pulling off (or ordering) a drive-by shooting

I won't disagree.

What my imagination brought me when I first read this thread was similar to how you describe the Latin Kings. A group within the community intended to help the area and environment they were born into that focused on Noble Drew Ali's and/or Hakim Bey's writings.

The parapersonality typing now has been recently focusing on this Moorish Koran and its elucidation of a new take on Christian and Islamic spirituality. Though I have the verses in my possession, I have not managed to STUDY HARD with them.

On first inspection, the group described above is far from what I first envisioned. This information is appreciated, though and will further my learning in this area. Thanks.

Any thoughts on comparing and contrasting gang-life behaviors with Bey's TAZ ideas, anyone?
 
 
illmatic
21:11 / 04.02.03
Hey Grant - there's a history of the Moorish Orthodox Temple in Peter Lamborn WIlson's "Sacred Drift" - PLW is Hakim Beys "real" name. From what I recall, the Moorish Orthodox Church is a a spin off of another organisation or church that had it's origins in a radical black church that was founded in the 1920's (?) by the Noble Drew Ali.

Here's a potted history.

Bey's "empowerment" or initiation into the church seems to have come through this lineage. he gives a history in the link above. I think it's very interesting that Bey has worked backward, and taken something real and recolonised it. I guess the same meme - or evolutionary variants thereof - has been circulating and found it's way down into LA Gangland. From reading his writing I think this is something he'd enjoy, maybe.

(BTW, has anyone seen any writing from him lately - I'd love to hear what he has to say since 9/11 - though being an anarcho anti-establishment Muslim probably has made him few friends)

GODSA - can't really think of anything to say about TAZ's and gangs, though I would be inerested to hear anything about the 5% Nation much beloved of Hip Hop MC's.
 
 
Char Aina
22:28 / 04.02.03
GODSA ssassin: I am sure you weren't implying that individuals who take on a gang lifestyle are incapable of the search for esoteric illumination. Were you?

No, but it's hard to picture an esoteric illuminate pulling off (or ordering) a drive-by shooting, say.



what about the invisibles?
surely they would be chock full of groups like that, wouldnt they?
if i was a badass, i would use magick and books as much as guns and ammo.
 
 
Lionheart
01:24 / 05.02.03
Hakim Bey is Moorish Orthodox not Moorish Science.
 
 
grant
14:17 / 05.02.03
According to the FBI files linked above, the Moorish Science Temple was founded in the 1920s (most of the "sedition" inquiries were done around World War II). Members of the Temple take one of three last names: El, Ali, and Bey. It's because they believe that all black people in America descended from those three Moorish tribes.

Seems like Jeff Fort's prison conversion might have taken place at the hands of Moorish Science Temple initiates rather than the well-known offshoot, Nation of Islam.

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lionheart: According to this page, the Moorish Orthodox Church is another offshoot of the Moorish Science Temple.

In Chicago Noble Drew issued many Moorish Passports, and it is said that some new converts, in the zeal of their newfound nationality, began to grow less and less subservient in their dealings with the oppressor empire ("Pharoah" or "Babylon"). This culminated in a full scale attack on the Science Temple in which (despite the secret escape route, an essential feature of all Moorish Science Temples) many of the faithful were martyred, including the Enforcer of the Law, a man whom Noble Drew had recognized as a reincarnation of Jesus.

Shortly thereafter (in 1929) Noble Drew prophesied the hour of his death. He was "taken for questioning" by the Chicago Police and brutally beaten, and died soon after his release.

After this, the Moorish Science Temple began to split into sects or factions, one headed by Noble Drew's chauffeur, another by Elijah Muhammed, who his his Moorish Science origins and taught a pseudo-science of race hatred disguised as the "Nation of Islam." Until Elijah's death, many Moors expected him to recant.

In the 1950's in the Baltimore/DC area, some white poets and jazz musicians came into contact with the Science Temple and acquired passports. They formed another offshoot of Moorish Science, the Moorish Orthodox Church of America. At that early stage, the M.O.C. was seen as partly Moorish and partly Eastern Orthodox, and there existed certain ties with "Errant Bishops" of the Old Catholic Church, Syrian Orthodoxy, etc. Some of these founding fathers drifted eventually into Sunni Islam, others remained faithful to the M.O.C. and friendly to the Science Temple.


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GODSA ssassin: What my imagination brought me when I first read this thread was similar to how you describe the Latin Kings. A group within the community intended to help the area and environment they were born into that focused on Noble Drew Ali's and/or Hakim Bey's writings.

It's important to note here that the Latin Kings might try to look after their neighborhoods and promote the development of the Latin people, but they're also behind some heavy-duty crime and violence.

Here's a pretty good perspective from a Latin King leader:
When you have poverty and racism, inequality, lack of a stable economic base in the community, you’re gonna have gangs whether you like it or not. Nowadays they just so happen to be black and latinos. Why? Because we’re the ones that have the lack of economics in our community. Some people say you know pull yourself up by your own bootstraps right and we always say, well what if we don’t got boots. Then what? You know. And there’s never a response to that. I’m not here to justify anything that has happened because yeah there are bad people in these gangs.

There are people that kill, there are people that sell drugs, that’s without a doubt. I always tell my guys and guys from other organizations. If you get caught for doing something, don’t come asking for help unless they’re trying to add on some shit to you. If you got caught for murder, do the time man. There’s nothing I can do about that. What do you want me to do? Pull out 30, 40000 dollars and get you off the hook? You got caught with the guns in your hand and they can verify that you did it, you did it, what you want me to do? Some guys will say, no no you gotta get me out, at least help em get out of the country, go somewhere, do something...

That does happen and I’m not gonna deny it but guess what? It happens in the police department and it happens in our government. Local, state, county, federal government. Same thing happens. It’s just that we’re looked upon as the bad people because when you walk outside your house you see it. You can’t walk into a police station and see that. You can’t walk into the Capitol. It’s all done behind closed doors. Okay? A lot of the gang leaders that exist now are very aware of all the bullshit that’s going on...

We always tell the guys, you gonna go shoot somebody you make sure you shoot that mother fucker. Kill him that way. When you find out that bullet went and hit somebody else, I’m coming after you. I’ll be done. And that’s our justice. Does it justify anything? No it doesn’t. Am I unique in my perspective within the organization? Yes. Are there many that think the way I think? No... .Have I ever killed anybody? No. That I know for a fact. I never killed anybody. Cause when I usually shot at people that just did it to scare em.


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GODSA ssassin: Any thoughts on comparing and contrasting gang-life behaviors with Bey's TAZ ideas, anyone?

I know he's written about Tongs, which is pretty much the same thing. Not entirely, but pretty much.
 
 
grant
19:02 / 05.02.03
Here's a purty good history of the Black P Stones, the organization that became ElRukns.

It just gets more and more fascinating.

According to another history I was reading, the reason why cops in Chicago have checkerboard patterns on their hats was because those were the colors of an old Irish gang around the turn of the century.
 
 
Char Aina
19:20 / 05.02.03
so the cops here? why do they do it?
 
 
GODSA ssassin
19:36 / 05.02.03
Disclaimer: I am not finding the time to properly research/analyze/proof-read these ideas.

Hakim Bey's words attempt to suggest a method of action that circumvents the typical model of revolution (old state-> revolution-> new state). In relation to this discussion, the world that follows, as shown to me, is one drawn on "tribal" lines. Hir Autonomous Zones and the various permutations of the same suggest to me something highly akin to what certain gangs function as in their own neighborhoods.

My immediate impression of the world that Bey seems to strive towards in hir writings is one in which gangs, tongs and other currently demonized groupings would serve as a model for the behaviors of new social . The social structure I see as necessary is much closer to a primitivist view than any other.

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I had forgotten that Bey's Moorish institution was a splinter-group along with the Nation of Islam. This forgotten fact implies to me that the gang in question is not connected in any relevant sense to the philosophies of Peter Lamborn Wilson.

This line of thought does bear merit and interest for me, though.

More to come, Time willing.
 
 
grant
20:40 / 05.02.03
so the cops here? why do they do it?

Well (from what I'm reading), in the past, "gangs" were clubs - neighborhood organizations that aligned along ethnic & local lines. (By "Irish," I meant immigrants from Ireland.) The first mayor Daley of Chicago grew up in an Irish gang - it became the basis for his political machine. Same thing happened in Boston. There were Polish and Jewish gangs, too. But among non-white ethnic minorities, there was slightly more exclusion from mainstream society. In the 50s and 60s, you had the Black Panthers reaching out to the Black P Stone Nation (an organization of 21 smaller gangs), fusing the social group with political aims of a slightly more threatening flavor. And then, the drug trade started flourishing... providing any well-organized group with a pretty good opportunity to make money.
So between fights over turf, civil rights activism/race riots and the opportunities of the black market, you've got all the ingredients for the current public face of gangs as exclusively criminal enterprises.
 
 
Char Aina
18:12 / 07.02.03
sorry, i wasnt too clear, i meant to ask why british police have the two tone checkerboard stripes on their hats... is there a connection to the gangs?
 
 
grant
20:30 / 07.02.03
I'm having trouble finding an answer. The only remotely helpful webpage tells me the Victoria Police Dept. adopted a checked hatband in the 1970s as part of a drive for international police symbols.

Oh, there's this:
It's of Scottish origin.

Seems likely the reference was to the colors on the hatband, not the checkerboard ("dicing"), but it might have been a traditional "social athletic club" (gang) display, too.
 
  
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