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Heretical Musings On Buffy The Vampire Slayer

 
  

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Jack The Bodiless
21:34 / 31.01.03
In which anyone who cares utters, and then argues about, their personal blasphemies concerning the popular television series Buffy The Vampire Slayer.

Item one on my agenda:

I do not believe that Buffy and Angel were ever actually in love.

I mean really, people. A lonely sixteen year-old meets a dark, mysterious and handsome stranger who appears to be in his mid-twenties, who follows her around and flirts with her in an inept manner, and we believe her when she says he's the love of her life? A horribly, horribly lonely, emotionally stunted old man trapped in the body of a blood-sucking fiend meets a nubile teenager and is told to stick close to her, and we're supposed to believe him when he says she's the love of his life? Only in 90210 would such cummerbund be a realistic plot hinge. And only one couple in ten thousand were childhood sweethearts and are actually in love, no matter what the storybooks say. Why do you think the divorce rate is so high? Cordelia and Angel, I believe - they've grown together over three years of bonding, bonding which is written into the story. Buffy and Angel? Spare me.

Item two: Vampires in Buffy... - what the fuck are they on about?
Soooo... a vampire kills a human, and makes the corpse drink its blood. A vampire rises from the corpse after several days, the human soul having departed and an incorporeal demon having ascended to possess the body. Except the demon believes itself to be the dead human risen from the grave, with all the memories and personality of said human, just, you know, evil. Whyzzzzat, then? Bit of a shit way to possess someone - strikes me it's more the other way around. The dead body possesses the demon, stripping it of any personality or memory, and forcing it to walk around inside a reanimated mortal corpse until some blonde bint with a stock-in-trade in shitty witticisms that Jean Claude Van Damme would be embarrassed to utter steps around a corner and stakes it. Who recruits these demons for the job, Tony Blair? And what kind of a twat would you have to be to be recruited?!

Bollocks.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
04:56 / 01.02.03
Oooooooohhhhhhhhh... careful, Jack. Careful.
 
 
Seth
08:03 / 01.02.03
From last Thursday evening, the The Sour Skittle started to offer the most insightful commentary on the series. Hail the Sour Skittle.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
14:42 / 01.02.03
Hang on, hasn't there been a *lot* done in the past three years to make your first point not all that heretical, but a fairly plausible take on things? I'm always seeing fanpersons on the net moaning about Buffy and Angel getting involved with other people because it cheapens / devalues the importance of their relationship - these people are all either 14 (I get thinking that way or that age) or just emotionally stunted.

Remember how Angel series 2 even went so far to imply that Buffy was just a rebound from Darla? He likes the short, blonde ones...

I reckon the vampire thing can simply be explained thus: the official line peddled by the Watchers' Council and others stating that a vampire isn't actually the same person as they were previously (unless they have a soul, which is rare, although increasingly less so) is lies. Again, this is implied by the show itself a couple of times - Willow worries that AlternateDimensionVampireWillow may reflect aspects of her personality she's unaware of or uncomfortable with (eg her sexuality and her capacity for violence); Buffy tells her the vampire you become has nothing to do with the person you were, Angel is on the point of debunking this theory because it's blatantly false; in fact as we learn, stage by stage, most of what ADVampWillo was about is present in Willow already.

Essentially, Vampires = the Id. You become a vampire, you can do all those wonderful, terrible things you always wanted to do. So geeky, wimpy William becomes sexy, self-aggrandising rebel Spike; parochial loser Liam becomes none-more-evil, travel-the-world-then-destroy-it Angelus, etc...

The *really* interesting thing, though, is that both shows, but particularly Angel, have at their best shown that sometimes you need to get in touch with your Id. (Spoilers for season 7 Buffy - it's a relief to everyone who hates cliches that season 7 seems to make it clear that Willow *does* need to use that dark mojo now and again, and that all that 'magic is like drugs! and therefore baaad! stuff was, like much of season 6, a bad dream...)
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
17:14 / 01.02.03
Buuuut.... If getting posessed by the vampire-making-demon causes you to become pure Id, how do you explain Spike's love for Buffy? He was a soulless bloodsucker all through season six, and actually FOUGHT to get to get his soul back. He did, in my opinion, seem genuinely in love with Buff', and there's a lot of times when it's implied that sexy, self-aggrandising rebel Spike isn't all that different from geeky, wimpy William (think the episode where he explained the art of Slayer-Slaying)
But yeah, they did kind of bash everyone over the head with the magic-is-drugs thing.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
17:23 / 01.02.03
and actually FOUGHT to get to get his soul back

But did he? Seemed to me like he was trying to get the chip out, and got played by a demon with a sick sense of humour. I believe he later claims he did it on purpose, but then I've not actually seen season 7...

You don't need a soul to love, anyway: Spike & Drusilla loved each other. You don't even need a soul to experience moments of 'good' morality, as has been demonstrated several times. I think you just need one in order to give you a hope in hell of not reverting to form...
 
 
kaonashi
17:40 / 01.02.03
As long as we're doing this, does anyone rememeber the episode where Buffy is stabbed by a demon and she hallucinates that she is in a mental ward and that the events of the last couple years were schizophrenic delusions. At the end they suggest that it could all be true.

And it is.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
18:43 / 01.02.03
That was just shite, though. "I know - let's do a real Twilight Zone of an episode! With the trad Twilight Zone ending and everything!"

Noxon's frequently stated that pre-S7 Spike isn't in love with Buffy, and that we shouldn't put his actions down to love. I've never seen her expand on this properly, but here's my take. He wants to fuck her, he wants to own her, and he's getting a kick out the whole affair because it boosts his own self-image - he's screwing the Slayer. His tears at the end of S5 are tears for himself, for his loss, not for Buffy herself.

The Spike/Buffy relationship is one of the show's biggest recent failings. That Noxon feels the need to explain it to the audience only proves the mess that was made of it.
 
 
cusm
22:50 / 01.02.03
One thing this seems to imply is that that soul is not the mystical animating spirit of the person, so much as their conscience. Vamps get the human conscience ripped out and a demonic one put back in its place, with a whole new set of instincts and pleasure center reprogramming, along with a feeling of, as the psyche student vamp puts it, "connection with an all consuming darkness that will one day destroy all life on earth." Sounds more like vamps aren't so much loosing a soul as gaining a religion. Implication being, the soul is still present in the vamp and the vamp is still the person. Just the parts that embody human goodness are ripped out for a new set of instincts.

Of course, all this may be proved false with Angelis having access to different memories than Angel, indicating that the vamp soul is actually a different entity.
 
 
Foust is SO authentic
01:18 / 04.02.03
I never thought Spike and Buffy were in love. I always thought it was the two of them playing out their emotional needs with each other. Obviously, Buffy was conflicted about banging Spike, and when Spike tried to rape Buffy, any notions of romance went out the window.
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
10:39 / 15.02.03
See, Spike's feelings for Buffy, in my mind, play out the increasingly obvious idea that, as Fly says, the Watchers' Council lied to everyone - or (as is possibly more likely) that, as an ancient body of historians and thinkers divorced from much of the outside world and harking back to more prevalent religious ideas from back when they may have been more cryptopolitically powerful, they've never really given it a great deal more research since. After all, if it rises from the grave to murder innocent Christians, it has to be from the Devil, right?

A dissenting voice might come with the portrayal of the Scourge in Angel, who despise vampires as not being 'pure' demon... Remember how the leader called Angel a 'halfbreed'? However, the actual explanation for this comes from someone else, who may not know exactly what they're talking about... and most 'demons' seem to have a fairly relaxed idea about what constitutes a 'demon' (the term is either used by humans a little like la imperialista used to use the term 'coloured' - which covered a wide variety of races and society, a lot of whom had no real connection to one another geographically or culturally - or by 'demons' who have submerged themselves to a greater or lesser part in human society and language (specifically Western, of course), and who might therefore use it a similar, catch-all way). Cordelia, for example, was made part-demon in order to survive the stress the visions placed on her human body. Which part? Which demon? Dunno, but it's placed within the text as simply being imparted with a sort of non-human magical essence, much as the Slayer is supposed to possess. Which again raises the question of whether Buffy is 'part-demon', by the way...

All of which is moot if you take the text as read, in which Whedon and others have gone on record as saying that vampires are as posited in my opening post, not as Fly and I would like to posit them. But then this thread was kind of about treating the text as secular rather than sacred, and the characters as real rather than finite textual beings, so there with knobs on.

On another note, it's also been demonstrated (as if it needed to be) that having a soul deosn't necessarily make you good, and lacking one doesn't necessarily make you evil. Whistler was a 'demon', right? Working for the Powers That Be... I figure that 'the soul' is the essence of a person that migrates to whatever afterlife exists for humans. If demons, as these mystical alien races are referred to, don't have souls, that would imply they have nothing to pass on after death, always assuming it's possible to kill them in the way we understand it.

So what about Angel (and to a certain extent, Spike, although we have yet to see how that plays out)?

Newsflash: Angel is not Liam, his irresponsible younger (living) self. Liam was turned into a vampire, and christened Angelus (we'll leave the reason for the name change, as that's another whole can o' worms relating back to the 'what are vampires' schtick). Angelus is cursed by gypsy sorcerers and landed with his soul, at which point he becomes Angel. All three are demonstrably separate personalities, caused by events and patterns over a long angsty life - 'Angel' is not what happens when 'Liam' regains his soul, 'Angel' is what happens when, after a century or so of bloodshed and torture, 'Angelus' is afflicted with the return of his soul. It's not the loss or return of the soul per se (that's just a major catalyst for change) - all three are part of a linear progression of character development over time for a two-hundred-and-forty year old man. Angel has Angelus' sudden vicious temper, his fascination with nuns, his creativity when it comes to intimidation, threats and violence, and his capacity for the same, amogst many other things. Angelus, on his second outing in Season Two of Buffy, has many of the same feelings for Buffy that Angel has, but seen through a glass darkly. And, moving further back, Angelus displays a hedonism and love of the good life (as he sees it) that mirrors the promiscuous and hellraising lifestyle Liam had.

Remember Darla, his new 'father-lover' figure following his murder of his own father? Angelus finally found a sire-relation who approved of his appetites in Darla. Remember Angel season two, with his obsessive, violent, twisted pursuit of Darla and Drusilla? She said it herself, words to the effect of "Not Angel. Not Angelus. Someone new..."

Incidentally, this theory also (scarily) explains why taking the equivalent of weapons-grade MDMA in the Season One episode 'Eternity' only temporarily releases Angelus... his curse is a conditional thing, based on attaining actual 'true happiness', and can tell the difference between that state and the false euphoria caused by the drug. Angel, however, as a person, cannot. He released Angelus that night on the actress, Wesley and Cordelia - it wasn't effected by the removal of his soul.

Item Three

It may have been said before, but what a shit curse. Not in the usual way people dislike it - I'm all for singleminded vengeance without fear or favour and if the above theory's right, Angel should blame himself for all the bloodshed - but in its execution. See, I may be wrong, but they don't appear to have told Angelus/Angel about the conditional. Wasn't that kind of half the point? Give him his soul back, fill him with angst and guilt over the murders, and then tell him that the evil will fill him again if he ever gets a single moment's bliss? Doom him to eternity wandering the earth in torment, never to allow himself to be happy again, right? Doesn't really work if they don't tell him about the actual conditions of the curse, though. What if he'd fallen for someone six weeks after regaining his soul? Bit of a short purgatory, and then Angelus is released upon the earth again, even more pissed off than before. Clearly bollocks. Badly thought through. What do you think?
 
 
_pin
17:50 / 16.02.03
Did they not tell him? Maybe they warned him with clunky gypsy dialogue. I'd not do bad stuff if I'd have to be lectured on it in a clunky way by gypsys with no budget.

And clearly being a vampire is just a crappy metaphor for being old. They're even patriarchal at the start. Buffy The Teenage Be-breasted Ass Kicker is here to save the world from old men. Drinking vampire blood = getting a mortgage. And Angel should really be the ultimate mid-life crises man: teenager get's old, then wants to be young.

That he's not proves my theory is bunk. But I now want to make a TV show about vampires who insist on neat bookshelves and think Justin Timberlake doesn't make real music cos he's "just for the kids".
 
 
Tryphena Absent
00:55 / 17.02.03
Cordelia, for example, was made part-demon in order to survive the stress the visions placed on her human body. Which part? Which demon? Dunno, but it's placed within the text as simply being imparted with a sort of non-human magical essence

But let's not forget that all demons in our 'dimension' are poor and puny compared to those of the hell dimensions. So when we discuss Angel or Cordelia being a halfbreed we're also discussing this whole insane ranking order of all demon's. Earth demon's are crap.

This whole issue of the halfbreed brings up an interesting point. Liam is infected with some demonic blood virus that changes him, he doesn't die, he's corrupted and turned. Vampirism is an illness so when Jack says-
All three are demonstrably separate personalities, caused by events and patterns over a long angsty life about Angel's selves
actually I kind of disagree. If you're going to take a truly secular view you'd have to say that Angel is brain-damaged by an illness that also causes permanent physical change. His personalities are not separate but examples of differing amounts of damage. He cannot return to Liam because the brain damage is also permanent so when a load of gypsies try to restore his former personality it doesn't work but does twist his brain in another, unexpected, direction.

Within this theory you can argue that Spike is not as damaged, his physical change is as complete as Angel's but he seems to retain certain elements of his personality (he's still a complete romantic) that Angel doesn't. The attempts to restore his lost 'soul' appear to have damaged him further as he now regularly hallucinates (UK, Season7, currently only on episode 5 and avoiding later spoilers)
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
20:12 / 18.02.03
No, when we're discussing Cordelia or Buffy being part 'demon', we're discussing the homogenisation of language used in Buffy The VQmpire Slayer (less so in Angel) when relating to anything less/more than human. Although it's true that most demons still present on the mortal plane in both series are less large and powerful than those around back in the day, usually due to interbreeding with humans, that's not the issue we're discussing as regards vampires.

I'd also disagree about the whole 'vampires as blood disease' thing. That's not a purely secular viewpoint, that's just adopting someone else's textual references and slavishly fitting them to Buffy... when they don't necessarily fit. Angelus is just as much a product of Liam (and Angel just as much as a product of Angelus) as Spike is a product of William...
 
 
Bear
06:53 / 19.02.03
Well it was all explained in the most recent episode of Buffy, it's all to do with the length of your coat, worry no more
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
20:44 / 11.06.04
See here for more heretical musings. Anymore for anymore?
 
 
PatrickMM
20:55 / 19.06.04
Here's something that's been bothering me about the series. In a recent interview, Joss Whedon said that Willow was unquestionably gay, not bi, so where does this leave her relationship with Oz? Obviously, as Joss says in the Wild at Heart commentary, they hadn't decided to make her gay yet at that point, but disregarding that, how can you reconcile the Oz relationship with what occurs later?

I feel like she was interested in Oz more for what he represented than who he actually was. He was the first person to show an interest in her in a sexual way, and other than Buffy and Xander, in any sort of friend way. So, intrigued by the idea of dating a guy from a band, as she points out a lot throughout the series, she goes out with him, and even loves him. But, eventually he leaves her, and meeting Tara leads her down a different path.

So, what I'm wondering is, where is Oz's place in Willow's mind after she comes out, and lets him go, in New Moon Rising. I felt like Restless, when Oz says, "I'll always be here," was implying that the love she shared with Oz will always be there on some level. I find it really annoying that no one ever discussed with Willow what was going on with Oz, and how she feels about him in retrospect. I guess it was something they wanted people to forget about, since on close examination it doesn't make much sense.

I really wish Oz could have returned, at some point later in the series. He's probably the least resolved main character in either Buffy or Angel. Everyone else, we have some idea what happens to them, but no one ever mentions Oz after Restless, and his whereabouts remain a mystery.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
22:01 / 19.06.04
Well their are two plausible answers to that, the first is that in Willow's case she chooses to be a lesbian and rejects her straight side. I think it's plausible that you can choose to ignore your attraction to one sex if you really want to or you could argue that attraction doesn't equate with being bisexual but action does. That's the first argument and I think it's bollocks, the reality is that Buffy writers can't face up to the notion that you don't need to be one way or the other. This show has always been about good and evil and they screwed up the wonderful potential for ambiguity time and time again so of course Willow simply has to be a lesbian (though she clearly isn't).

If getting posessed by the vampire-making-demon causes you to become pure Id, how do you explain Spike's love for Buffy?

I always think they're hit by pure Id and then spend years recovering. Some recover fast and end up watching TV forever and hanging out, others try to take over the world and end up fancying the slayer.
 
 
"See me for what I am, OK?"
16:25 / 21.06.04
Jack, your comments on soul=good? and Angel's curse and whether or not the gypsies told him about the 'perfect happiness' clause is a part of the theory I'm working on at the moment. I don't want to say too much about it, 'cos I'm writing it up as a series of articles for my blog (I'll link here whent he first one goes up), but the basic premise of it is this:

Angel is evil. Not Angelus, and not "Mwahahaha, I'm going to end the world" evil. But certainly not the good guy that he seems to be.

This came to me when I rewatched season 5 of 'Angel', and I'm now going back and methodically rewatching all of 'Buffy' seasons 1 to 3 and 'Angel' and taking notes. I should have the first part of the essay by the middle of July.
 
 
"See me for what I am, OK?"
16:36 / 21.06.04
Oh, yeah, and Spike fighting for his soul wasn't about being able to love Buffy; it was, he thinks, about becoming the man she would want him to be. Through season seven, this sees him essentially becoming Angel. He abandons everything that made him Spike and starts acting suspiciously like the big-browed one.

Even when under the First's control, the way he gets his victim in 'Conversations With Dead People' is by using distinctly Angelus-like tactics - Angelus is about the teasing, the seduction, and then the kill; Spike is pure bestiality because he just doesn't have the patience and isn't really evil enough to do it Angelus' way. It's why they never got on, as we see in the flashbacks in season 5 of 'Angel'.

It isn't until Buffy points out to him that he's not who he was, and that she doesn't want or need him like this that he starts to become Spike again; symbolised by retrieving his coat and returning to more traditional Spike garments and colours, rather than the Angel-like wardrobe he has been wearing. After this, he comes to terms with himself (notably in 'Lies My Parents Told Me' where his innate viciousness finally gels with the "goodness" of his besouled nature) and actually does become someone Buffy relies on and is far more comfortable with than she everw as with Angel.
 
 
Cat Chant
10:34 / 23.06.04
Willow simply has to be a lesbian (though she clearly isn't).

So, she likes having sex with women, she identifies as a lesbian, and she "clearly isn't" one? Why?

Sorry. This just annoys me because, from my experience, dropping people in the bisexual bucket is often more to do with policing the purity of "lesbian" and "straight" identity than anything else ("Willow isn't a proper lesbian! She did it with a boy when she was in high school!") Or, more homophobically, as my gf pointed out, because "lesbians hate men" (therefore if you've ever enjoyed boy-sex, you don't count as gay [tell that to all the women who've left marriages for women]).

Actually Willow has pretty much countered this whole argument herself, of course: "It's not so much about the hating of the men, it's more about the girl-on-girl action".
 
 
Cat Chant
10:41 / 23.06.04
how can you reconcile the Oz relationship with what occurs later?

Sorry. To get back to the original question... oh, I'm probably the wrong person to ask, because I don't really see what's to reconcile. Willow loves Oz very much; Oz is nice, sex is nice (especially when you're sixteen: sex feels good). Then, later, she has sex with a girl and goes "Oh! It's much easier to have the kind of sexual and emotional relationship I want with a girl-shaped person! Hooray! Girls for me from now on!"

I mean, on the whole, girls and boys are pretty much the same shape: they have fingers, tongues, orifices; bodies to wrap around and hold; they give and receive love and pleasure. The differences are fairly minor (think what proportion of the body the genitalia take up: it's pretty small) and might not totally foreclose the possibility of having enjoyable sex and/or love with someone of the "wrong" gender. Like Willow says in "Him", "I can work around him having a penis". But, you know, it's easier and more fun if you don't have to work around it.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
12:35 / 23.06.04
Flyboy: and that all that 'magic is like drugs! and therefore baaad! stuff was, like much of season 6, a bad dream...

Phex: they did kind of bash everyone over the head with the magic-is-drugs thing.

I think Flyboy is a little closer with the "magic is LIKE drugs" thing, but I think you're both off the mark in how you're interpreting it - the drug thing wasn't about magic, it was about Willow being overcome with grief and years of low self esteem and feelings of impotence. They were a bit heavy-handed at times, but the show is just like that. I'm sorry, but romanticize the first few seasons as much as you want, but the show was always over the top like that. Face it. The ridiculously thin metaphor in that story isn't so different from anything else in the series, YOU are just defensive about the topic of drugs.

So, as I watch season one right now, after having seen 6, 7, 3, and the majority of 4, I'm curious: while it is clear that they made the decision in season 4 to write Willow as a lesbian, was that something Joss had in mind from the start? They clearly hint at it in season 3 (I'm thinking of "Doppelgangerland" in particular), but it seems to make some retroactive sense when I see how Willow was portrayed from the start. It seems to have always been in the subtext.

I think that Deva is 100% OTM about Willow's sexuality, by the way.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
12:52 / 23.06.04
Doppel*gang*land. I was on the phone to Jeff just last night, and he *hates* when people get that wrong...

Jeff's presentation of Willow's sexuality in "The Wish" and "Doppelgangland" is a bit complex. On one level, this can be clever foreshadowing... certainly by "Doppelgangland" it seems to be hinting at a direction for the character. However, unconsciously or consciously (I hope consciously) it was also aping the goatee beard thing - evil parallel universe versions of female characters are always leather-clad and bisexual, and always have BDSM tendencies. It's just a thing. Interestingly, there's a pretty strong suggestion that vampire Xander is also bisexual, vampirism and queer sexualities having a long and noble history of standing in for each other metaphorically.

So, Angel suggests that Willow's gayness/bisexuality (which I think Deva describes far better than BtVS managed) is a part of her, as vamp characteristics are based on the human the vampire is made from. Does that also mean that she actually is on some level also kinktastic? Is this why she was so antagonistic with Faith?
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
14:06 / 23.06.04
I like the implication at the end of season 7 that Faith isn't nearly as "kinktastic" as she thinks she is - I enjoyed that scene in the final episode in which Principal Wood shoots down a lot of the flimsy illusions that she has about her sexuality. It's a nice conclusion for the character, for her to finally be forced into letting go of a lot of her emotional baggage and allowing herself to take a chance on a decent guy who accepts and understands her. It's kinda sweet.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
14:55 / 23.06.04
Actually he says that she is not exceptionally good in bed. Her kink quotient is not, as far as I know, gauged.
 
 
PatrickMM
14:55 / 23.06.04
Interestingly, there's a pretty strong suggestion that vampire Xander is also bisexual, vampirism and queer sexualities having a long and noble history of standing in for each other metaphorically.

When did they imply Xander was bi in The Wish? I must have missed that. However, I did read that Joss was planning to make either Xander or Willow gay, he eventually chose Willow, but I guess he wanted to plant seeds for either way.

Plus, Angel's The Girl in Question implies that Darla and Dru both have bi tendencides, and there was one episode in Angel season five where Angel and Spike implied that they got together once. I forgot the line, but basically, they were saying that they never did anything like that, "except that once." So, queer and vampire, it's consistent throughout the series
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
15:50 / 23.06.04
From what I remember from hanging around fan sites at the time, the infamous "I think I'm kinda gay" line from Doppelgangland was pure coincidence, Seth Green hadn't yet made clear that he wanted to leave so they weren't thinking of dumping him for Amber Benson.

However, I'm not sure if I've ever read the reasoning behind Willow getting together with Tara as opposed to say another block of wood like Riley from The Initiative. Whether perhaps Joss felt BtVS was tapping into that Xena fanbase and wanted something a bit more explicit than coy glances over beheaded harpies. I guess I'm coming at it from the opposite direction to Deva, not that 'bisexual' is where the girls who aren't lesbian enough get dumped, but that in this case 'the lesbian community' are claiming someone who wasn't necessarily theirs. Again, I'd like to know whether Joss was involved with the fact she several times states firmly she's gay (I'm not sure if she ever uses the 'l' word though), whether it was thought more in keeping with the ethos of the show that she swore off men bits forever (I saw the whole thing with Kennedy in the last season as a ham-fisted sop to the enraged Kitten-like portion of the fans over Tara's death) or whether no-one on the staff knew what a bisexual was.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
19:50 / 23.06.04
Actually he says that she is not exceptionally good in bed. Her kink quotient is not, as far as I know, gauged.

Yeah, that's true, but she seems totally convinced that she's the kinkiest sex goddess in the world until Robin tells her otherwise.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
19:56 / 23.06.04
Oh man, I really dislike Kennedy. She's the only character in the series that I actively dislike in the sense that I think that she's a badly written/conceived/acted character. I don't buy her relationship with Willow at all, and her whole "spicy Latina" thing is kinda lame for a show which normally tries to subvert stereotypes and cliches.
 
 
The Natural Way
20:21 / 23.06.04
Yeah, the magic thing's also complicated by the fact that Willow can't actually stop using it. The magic's in her blood - she can't get rid of it and, therefore, she has to learn exactly how to harness/use it. Its quality, as Flux point out, is subject to the emotional state of the user. The drugs metaphor is there, but, if we follow this idea to its conclusion, we have to accept that this as a drug, like most drugs, whose usefulness is entirely dependent on *what you do with it*.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
20:29 / 23.06.04
I'd say that Faith's sexuality is pretty standard, and relates closely to the "Jason from Big Brother" model. Lots of partners, a willingness to go along with any specialist desire introduced by those partners, very few returns. As such, it is pretty much to be expected that when confronted by somebody apparently more used to longer-term relationships, her technique is shown up as somewhat immediate. This isn't about kink. It's about low self-esteem. The two are often confused in television series, and in fact quite frequently in Series 6 of Buffy, handily enough.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
20:37 / 23.06.04
Patrick: when VampWillow is straddling Angel with matches, she asks if Xander wants a go. He replies no, thanks, baby. I just wanna watch you go. It's not broad, but I think it's a hint. Hence Xander's difficult relationship with the pre-cure Andrew...
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
20:45 / 23.06.04
I don't think that the drug metaphor is necessarily that magic was like a drug so much as that Willow's emotional state was similar to that of a junkie. I think that's fine enough, and perfectly suited to a show in which regular youth drama is played out in over-the-top ways involving fantasy and mysticism. The problem is that they felt the need to spell it out and make it too obvious - Rack, for example.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
20:50 / 23.06.04
The whole Dark Willow thing is obviously patterned after the Dark Phoenix thing from X-Men, and one thing that I like more about Dark Willow is that her situation is more relatable and makes a lot of sense in the context of the character's history and recent experiences. With Jean Grey, it's more of a somewhat misogynistic abstract thing about corruption and power. I think Joss et al really improved on Claremont's original storyline.
 
  

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