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Filth #8

 
  

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02:54 / 31.01.03
Well, what did you think?
 
 
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03:04 / 31.01.03
Ack, least I could have done was post my thoughts:

I wasn't crazy about the artwork in this one for some reason.

I still have trouble figuring out what that Cameron lady is saying.

Quinn and the lady talking at once and their sentences merging... reminds me of the Harelequinade. All those people in the robes, all synchronized... Curious about this... Super-Organism? Next stage in human evolution? Is this a good or bad thing? Was the hand justified in killing them all? The Filth represents humanity's fearof change/evolution?

Anyone can be president. Just like anyone can be Spartacus Hughes? Hughes turning into an anti-person and understanding everything... reminds me of John A'Dreams letting himself be modified by the Outer Church. Hughes reproducing himself: a meme/virus? Hughes being killed by Dmitri again... like in issue 2.

Poor Tony being tortured again...

Can't wait till issue 9 where it's all explained.
 
 
BrianFitzgerald
07:41 / 31.01.03
"Greg Feely is an ugly, boring, fictional man! What's the gravitational attraction to his horrible life?"

That seems to be the crux of the biscuit. Why is this nose-picking wanker so fascinating?

All of the bright colors and guns and adventure and superspy glam ("Mason on Bond..."), and I really feel bad that they keep forcing Greg to be Ned. And I don't know why!

I enjoyed this issue on many levels and for many reasons: that beautiful explosion of Spartacus' head on p.18; the cocksure/enraged/saddened attempts of Ned's to warn the police what was going on; p.12 scene where Ragged Robin steps out of the supercontext to embrace King Mob...oh, wait...

But what really horrified me about this issue was the realization that Dmitri is currently my favorite superhero.
 
 
Rawk'n'Roll
08:24 / 31.01.03
I had hated Dimitri but with this issue I decided to 'keep' him.

Cameron is great but I have to prononce the phonetics out loud to understand the accent (Glaswegian I expect).

This is very embarrasing when I'm on the bus. In rush hour.

Oh and yay! first ever post.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
08:49 / 31.01.03
move to GLasgow.

naecuntillnotiss.
 
 
arcboi
10:50 / 31.01.03
All good stuff yet again.

I love Slade's team walking into the police station. "See? You all thought I was mad, didn't you?". I want moments like that in my life...

I still love Moog Mercury. Even with tubes up his nose he looks completely cool. Him and Cameron.

Slade doing a good impression of Edvard Munch's 'The Scream' . "Cunt's affeez fukken chump!".

I liked the suggestion by the police that they'll keep the ant pics "As an insight into the mind of the pervert sort of thing...". Ahem.

Strangely, the action sequences pale somewhat when compared to the ongoing drama of poor Tony. Spartacus gives a speech; Dimitri gives him a psychedelic head trip. Everyone goes home. But is Tony going to survive long enough for Slade to rescue him? And there's still 5 more issues of this to go....
 
 
glassonion
11:18 / 31.01.03
ant heads??? what has he got wee'uns with ant heads for? the cunt's off his fucking chump.

and do you honestly think anybody's giving a fuck about the president you fat cunt?

and there's something fucking weird about the way they're walking.

scabby touch

we're not police, lady, we're cleansing. lethal cleansing. lethal fucking cleansing.

oh yes. time to get to fuck. the sharks can deliver the moral at the end.

while reading the scene with the new libertanians yesterday, who should appear in the musical slot on today with des and mel but the polyphonic spree. spooky.

the most important feature of this and the last issue is hughes'hair.

shocking in a comic this well constructed and executed it's the deadly swearing chimp that sticks in the mind.

and that final page. antigreg is the sharks, feeding on tony who, being a cat, is both dead and alive at the same time. morrison's writing has just taken another jump of goodness in the past month.
 
 
Chill
12:20 / 31.01.03
Another excellent issue.

Are you on the Filthy Frequency ?

Love the cover. How fucked up is that pg 20/21 spread ? And that damn flower women is back!

WHUUOOOP
 
 
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12:51 / 31.01.03
I don't know about Dmitri, I liked him a lot in issue 3 but it seems with each issue I like him less and less. I can't really say I care much about Miami or Cameron either. Slade and Spartacus seem to be the only real characters who interest me in this series (well, and Tony). It's more the ideas an storylines that interest me. I thought this issue was better then the last one.

I'm glad someone mentioned "The Scream" painting as I had forgotten to mention that in my first post. That reference really freaked me out because a month ago I had written a scene where a character poses in a manner similiar to that painting and another character comments on it. Freaky...
 
 
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12:54 / 31.01.03
Oh, and I'm glad we finally know what those Dolphins from issue 2 are for.

This issue in particular was a real information overload. One thing I like about Hughes is how he speaks very plainly about what's going on (unlike, say, Mother Dirt).

"I think they're trying to take my life away bit by bit so I'll work for them full-time". says Ned. I'm almost positive someone mentioned something like this back in the discussion for issue 3.
 
 
Jack Fear
13:01 / 31.01.03
That was me.
 
 
anna_101
14:43 / 31.01.03
fetishizing our trash in shiny vinyl suits! HA!

and why can i stand to see the president cupping his own breasts but tony rips my heart out?
 
 
sleazenation
15:40 / 31.01.03
beacause i think we all want to humiliate the peersident who has, lets face it s surfeit of power while we feel soory for poor tony the powerless cat that can't even get his own medication.
 
 
ciarconn
11:18 / 01.02.03
Can't the things Spatacus said be interpreted like He is telling Ned he was Hand before, and then He saw things differently? He uses carriers, like Hand agents.

And this time, some of the antipersons are humans who evolved to the next step in social evolution. A human gestalt. They are bad because they are using a different social organization?

And what about the "freudian sex" refferences on the suits. You do not see what you do not want to see, because it's "bad"?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
14:46 / 01.02.03
Tempted to say this was my favourite issue so far, but I don't think it's individual *issues* that stand out in The Filth - it's characters and lines of dialogue... Perhaps nothing will ever beat Anders cheerfully saying "No need for thr S&M tactics!".

I still think that this comic works primarily, and best, as a sick comedy - more League of Gentlemen or Blue Jam than Brasseye, because there's little in the way of serious satire there. It's always the one-liners that stick out for me.

"God help the underage, you're free to walk the streets..."

In terms of the - wooooh - 'meaning'... Spartacus Hughes seams in fact to be another example of a recurring figure in Morrison's work: the character who wants to bring about utopia and doesn't care how many awful things ze has to do / people ze has to kill along the way... This has cropped up again and again ever since Zenith ("a nice kind of Hitler", etc) - what's interesting is that in The Filth these attempts to change the world and the Hand's attempts to keep things the same, are shown as more or less equally fucked up (the Hand kill anyone who's become an anti-person, no matter how harmless or innocent they may be).
 
 
Analogues On
15:33 / 01.02.03
What I felt was interesting in this issue was how the Peoples of Libertania were labelled as “anti-human” and fed to the sharks with no attempt to investigate their new-found state (other than Mercury’s field recordings which were made for the purposes of future inoculation rather than deeper understanding). As stated above, this suggests that any new evolutionary forms that do not rely directly on the imperatives of Mother Earth/Dirt are to be treated as “unhygienic” and subject to super-cleansing. The Filth then are simply normalcy police, enforcing the biological directive of Mother Dirt, under whose ordinance we live as mere biota.
Cameron’s “scabby touch” remark was also interesting in that it was similar to the polis’ “Don’t let their shadows touch you” warning, which got me thinking that highly-evolved forms (Libertania and Spartacus Hughes) are as toxic to cleansing agents and their Status Q as Hand operatives are to “normals”. They perhaps represent a break from the *natural order* and a leap into new social and cultural forms where mother Dirt has no jurisdiction.

Grant seems to be riffing on the question: are we simply the sum of our biological make-up and therefore tied to our genetic coding (symbolised in The Filth’s strongly ordered hierarchical structure, their Freudian suits, ballack-mobiles and chimpanzee agent), or are we capable of achieving new evolutionary forms and structures where “we don’t need to be judged, we’re all judges. We don’t need police” (like the original pirate ship/ community Libertatia) ? Spartacus mentions that this is the “next stage in the evolution of human civilisation”, a super-organism birthed through violence and perhaps like himself “infected with understanding”. Are these forms then part of the natural evolution of humanity, ie are we actually designed to break from nature and achieve a new order defined by our own limits?

I think this is also why Spartacus and Greg/ Ned are the most interesting characters in the book, in that they are not simply following directions from above, but are trying to transcend their mandate and define their own paths beyond the genetic pre-dispositions of Status Q (albeit in very different ways).

Finally, and as a side note, all of this reminds me of the opening lines from Funkadelic’s Maggot Brain , whose social commentary and psychedelic/cosmic slop mirror many of the book’s ideas, and which I think may have been a direct influence on Miami’s Venereal Afronaut look:

Mother Earth is pregnant for the third time
For y'all have knocked her up.
I have tasted the maggots in the mind of the universe
I was not offended
For I knew I had to rise above it all
Or drown in my own shit
 
 
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19:16 / 01.02.03
Analogues, you pretty much said what I've been trying to say...

It should be noted in Morrison's work (esp. The Invisibles) things usually aren't what they seem, like Sir Miles actually not being as much of an evil villian as he first seemed. In this case Spartacus Hughes is a similiar character. I wish Dmitri would stop killing him before he finishes what he's trying to say!

It should be noted that not only is Dmitri a chimp (noted as an example of evolution) but he's also a communist and makes lots of references to the Soviet Union, which is gone now. Is this supposed to make us think that the Hand is an anorchism?
 
 
penitentvandal
15:19 / 02.02.03
I think Dmitri is becoming less and less of a likable character as the series goes on. Deliberately. At first he's funny: hey, look, a chimp that shoots people! Then you realise he's...well, just a chimp who shoots people, really. That's it.

I loved the scene where he calls the policemen 'ugly human bastards', just like Greg said he would, though... But that's circuit two for you. Predictable.

And 'he always deliberately misses the first time', even if it involves killing hostages. Not very nice, really...

Anyone notice what Ned gets all over him after Hughes gets shot? Anyone think they can guess who the next Spartacus Hughes is?
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
20:41 / 02.02.03
Tony.
 
 
LDones
22:06 / 02.02.03
Oooo, Tony would look magnificent with that porn-top rug and mustache.
 
 
rexpop
19:29 / 03.02.03
I only noticed this while reading something else. Notice that the Hand bears some similarity to the Men from N.O.W.H.E.R.E from Grant's Doom Partol run.

Both seem to be tasked with "eradicating eccentricities, anomalies, and peculiarities wherever they find them.".

Overall, the Filth is a good series, Grant almost lost me at #4, but with the Pornomancer arc and the return of Sparticus Hughes, I'm looking forward to the final 4 issues.
 
 
Baz Auckland
23:11 / 03.02.03
'he always deliberately misses the first time'

Hee. I was just wondering if this cycle isn't the second but the tenth or fiftieth or etc. for all this to keep happening. If people can be recycled (Hughes here, the agent from the Anders issues..um name? who they say something about carriers and whatnot) this battle between this set of agents and Hughes/anti-people could be going back centuries. Maybe Spartacus was the Spartacus....
 
 
bjacques
00:57 / 04.02.03
Maybe the next order of being is going to happy anyway, and the best the Hand can hope for is to abort the ones that entail killing the present order (i.e., us).

Coincidentally, I was reading the scene in which the President is showing off his new boobs, while Bush was turning an eulogy into a paranoid rant. Fake tits are too good for him.
 
 
bjacques
01:14 / 04.02.03
Argh! That speech was actually the budget speech, heavy on homeland paranoia, with a nod to the Columbia tragedy. But I stand by the rest of it.
 
 
The Falcon
02:34 / 04.02.03
The flower lady is, as I mentioned in the #7 thread, Sharon Jones from #1 and #2.

I don't know what she's doing, but Yawn pointed out Greg keeps missing her (did it again this ish) and this may be 'a missed opportunity at redemption'.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
09:03 / 04.02.03
Wow duncan, you sure keep on top of your threads!

Spek.
 
 
A
12:08 / 05.02.03
Those weird cult folks on Libertania were a lot like Weapon 12 in NXM. Well, I thought they were, anyway.
 
 
The Falcon
12:12 / 05.02.03
You're right Adam, all the way down to the "scabby touch"...
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
17:01 / 07.02.03
So, if Slade is suffering a parapersonality crash that's the Greg Feely coverpersonality crashing down on the Ned Slade personality and what's under that? From what Hughes says this issue, and what someone said in the Porn issue, the Hand operatives seem to be personalities themselves. So why is it so important for the Hand that this body with this Ned Slade personality works for them, when a systems crash impairs his ability? I can understand if the pp crash means they currently can't get Ned Slade out of that body, but what's so important about him? We have nothing to show that he's in any way a special part of the Hand, indeed the idea that anyone is special seems to be against their ethos.

Fucking excellent art by Weston this month. Really, we should never have had the porn storyline and gone straight into this with issue 5. Then we wouldn't have to ask questions like why Ned isn't at all concerned about the health of his cat for two issues and now he is.

I've often found Grant's 'resolution' issues a bit weaker than his setup issues, that's the case here but only slightly. This has definitely been an effective critique of Morrison's hero, de Sade, more so than we got in the Invisibles.

What happened to the Secret Agent guy from last issue?

Hughes has found a way round the Hand's methods of stopping him, finding a way to pollinate his mind around the planet. But he doesn't seem to have a plan for fighting the Filth. In both cases he sets up situations that can be contained and removed by the Filth, he doesn't really have any way to get his ideas out beyond the 'fuck off!' tape that the Filth can put around areas he infects. He doesn't seem to be trying to persuade the people in the Filth to come over to his way of thinking, so what is he doing? Is he a new version of Moorcock's The Eternal Champion, in this case The Eternal Fucker-Upper, just doing meaningless carnage because he can? Or is there a central Hughes sending out these pollen personalities who has his eyes on a grander plan?

Page 6-7. We have to stop Hughes. But first, we fuck! And what happened to that 'people only have bad sex' thing that Grant was going on about at the start? Looked pretty good to me. And the Scottish Filth agent, the only one who talks phonetically really pisses me off.
 
 
Jack Fear
17:35 / 07.02.03
What happened to the Secret Agent guy from last issue?

Neville Quain, head of security? He's a part of the Libertania hivemind, seen most clearly on page 13, directly behind the blonde woman in the last three panels.Nil shoots him through the throat at the top of page 16.

We have to stop Hughes. But first, we fuck!

I got the feeling that that was to reinforce the Slade personality on our hero, who had begun to doubt the Hand's objective existence and question his own sanity.

A few notes:

Moog Mercury's speech balloons are different in this issue—they have glowing blue edges, whereas before, even with his drip-feeds in, he spoke "normally." I'm getting the feeling that the drip-feeds are making him slowly less "himself" (whatever that means, in the context of THE FILTH) and more just a mouthpiece for LaPen.

Since Moog has had the feeds implanted, his hair is constantly changing color—just like Rebis's coat in DOOM PATROL.

"What does it take to be Spartacus Hughes?" "Oh, just a little prick, that's all..." As in a hypodermic needle's prick, with Hughes as a fluid-borne parapersonality?

Details which may or may not be significant: Moog Mercury and Cameron Spector are wearing-different colored uniforms than in their last appearance—Spector, who last wore a red coat, is in yellow, while Mrcury, whose jacket was orange, wears purple.

In the thread on issue #5, I wondered why Jenesis Jones, who was a Finger agent, flashed a badge with the the sign of the Palm: Mercury's badge also bears the Palm, even though he's in the Frequency division. This would seem to indicate that the palm is a sort of catch-all symbol for the Hand, at least in its dealings with outsiders.
 
 
The Falcon
19:38 / 07.02.03
I interpreted the 'little prick' comment as small penis, actually. Like the renegade doctor in Millar's Authority.

But I wasn't sure.

Anyone notice that Hughes' head exploded in glorious technicolour this time?

Also, are the Palm and Hand (there is one for the whole organisation) symbols not just really similar?
 
 
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03:06 / 08.02.03
I wondered if that whole little prick line meant only men can be Spartacus. So far all the villians have been male, and all obsessed with domination (see Simon, Tex, Quinn, etc.) whereas all the female characters have been hand agents (and Mother Dirt).
 
 
RadJose
10:24 / 08.02.03
for some reason this issue i got the idea that Ned Slade is just the Hand Agent personality that they put onto Greg Feely because the last Ned Slade died... i don't know why this wouldn't hit me sooner or what triggered it, but i kept coming back to it the entire time Ned talked w/ Sparticus
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
10:31 / 08.02.03
The othe team members think it's the cat that is making Ned Slade want to be Greg Feely, but the other Greg Feely is happy to let him die, deliberately not giving him the medicines he needs. Mind you, the other Greg Feely still remembers he's a Hand agent, where as Ned/Greg didn't.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
10:53 / 08.02.03
And what happened to that 'people only have bad sex' thing that Grant was going on about at the start? Looked pretty good to me.

Ha. My thoughts exactly. Maybe he meant 'bad' in the sense that Richard and Judy wouldn't like it...

Another thing that struck me about that scene: the claws that Nil wears immediately reminded me of Tex Porno calling her "a sexy jungle cat". An acknowledgement by Morrison of the fact that she's in part another 'exotic', sexual fantasy figure? I like to think so.
 
  

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