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Mindreading for Columbine

 
  

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Aertho
20:36 / 24.02.03
And here's a question for the sake of argument:

What's so wrong with mutant registration?

Acknowledging that mutant powers, especially telepathy, are weapons, what's so wrong with registering them with a responsible government agency?
 
 
Quireboy
20:44 / 24.02.03
Well, the X-men have seen where mutant registration leads - Days of Future Past.

Even ignoring that continuity what agency would register mutants? - There aren't any responsible government agencies in the X-Universe. What if the register fell into the hands of the U-Men, or the Weapon Plus programme?

Oh well, let's wait and see the UN try to send in Hans Blix to check out the Institute's weapons of mass destruction...
 
 
Quimper
15:05 / 25.02.03
Well, if you are looking at mutants as weapons, there is nothing wrong with registration. But, Xavier's plight is to not be seen as weapons, but as people. Coming from Washington, DC, where they just made every male from an Arabic country register with the INS, registering people infringes on their privacy and freedom. It's so big brother.

Well, telepathy wins again. The Cuckoos have pushed Quentin down the psychic ladder, but Sophie fell from pushing too hard.

This has got me thinking about Quireboy's comments that every plot point hinges on a telepathic confrontation.

X-Men has always been a book about genetics. But, what Morrison has seen, and what no other writer has focused on, is the issue of memetics, the theoretical science of how thoughts and ideas are spread.

How thoughts and ideas are spread...sounds like telepathy.

This is what NXM is about...the battle for ideas. That is why every plot centers around telepathic confrontation. The battle of thoughts. That is what Xavier is trying to do with press conferences, with the X-Corp logo and with Open Day. He is trying to spread the ideas of "mutants are not bad" and "mutants and humans can peacefully coexist" throughout the world and make them dominant memes.

People see, read and hear things and are infected with memes. I see the reader as "the humans" and Grant as "the mutants." He is trying to spread ideas of Charles Xavier through speech and action. People do not just explain ideas. Ideas are not useful if just explained, they have to be utilized to affect others. Ideas are the underlying reasons for actions. We have to extract the ideas behind behavior every day. Why should NXM treat that any differently? That is why the concepts aren't overtly explained and there are no Claremont captions. Grant is not treating this book as a comic book. He is doing the opposite (there's that word again) of what he is doing in The Filth. He is working within the parameters of normal human communication.

He is talking to us so we can see his lips moving.

I think Xavier is going to be severly changed after Quentin's riot. QQ said he already made the Professor question assumptions he had about himself...the same thing Apocalypse did to Scott. I think Xavier is going to start to realize that the only way his memes are going to be spread are if he plants them in the minds of everyone himself. I mean, telepathy is just a shortcut to what we try to do with people every day...convince them that we are right.

I think the damage control after Open Day is near impossible. Herman on fire as the suicide bomber is the WORST image the human media can broadcast because of Israel/Palestine. More important than their actual existence, is the X-Men's existence in the mediasphere. Basically, they are screwed. We may be prepped for the biggest telepathic confrontation yet...Xavier vs. the world. Charles Xavier has never been ballsy enough to force a zeitgeist on people. I wonder what Jean will think.
 
 
Quireboy
17:05 / 25.02.03
Consider Xavier's conversation (well more like a sermon) to Xorn in NXM127:

"With no special gifts other than its intellectual skills, humankind survived for many thousands of years in a very dangerous world. One of the ways they survived was by forming themselves into groups or tribes, gathering around flags and books and laws...

"A shared ideal is one of the best ways to hold a tribe together in the face of chaos. But now all the tribes are sharing the same tent and we can all be guilty sometimes of mistaking our ideas for things. [See also the Xavier's dream: corporate brand or philosophy thread.]

"I see it as the job of the X-Men to help build bridges between human and mutant thinking."

Consider how in the following Fantomex arc that humans have adapted Sentinel technology to not only destroy the X-genepool but also to subvert mutant memes with the viral mind of Weapon XII.
 
 
Quimper
21:28 / 25.02.03
Yes, Quireboy. Thank you! That speech has been dancing around my mind for days. Mistaking ideas for things. Xavier has made ideas things. In fact, "ideas as things" supports my memetic connection to NXM. Shit, Xavier is getting hit with one ironic punch after another, isn't he? He's accusing humans to be guilty (don't know if that's the right word) of the same thing X-Corp is doing. Emma and Logan comment on Quentin's half-ass philosophy right in front of Xavier, and Chuck doesn't even bat an eye!

But I feel like there was a reference to a tribe lately that made me think of that speech. Maybe I'm thinking of the Omega Gang...a tribe within a tribe! Or Toad and Shocker, the lamest of all mutants, stuck swimming in Magneto-ville. Tribes within a tribe. I don't know. I can't remember things, I'm swearing and I'm blatantly abusing exclamation points.

This is Quimper drunk at work because his boss is making him stay here for no reason!!!

I wonder if the secretary with the tree hands at X-Corp Paris gets this pissed at Xavier? See Xavier's Dream: Corporate Brand or Philosophy thread. ,.
 
 
The Falcon
02:26 / 25.03.03
I wonder if, at least partly in terms of significance, the entirety of New X-Men does not represent one huge psychological battlefield. So, I'm recycling this thread instead of starting one called 'New X-Men: I'll Show You The Life Of The Mind', because it concerns some thematic similarity; I'm just proposing that telepathy/meme-transmission/representation, etc. not be considered so separately. I was also enlightened by Barbelith board-members posts at, of all places, X-Fan. Anyway, onward:

Cassandra as nihilism. Utterly bleak anti-mind, or 'anti-self' as Araki puts it. Masochistic, self-destructive overtones when placed diamettric to her twin brother, a trope that's run through several X-Men stories, most notably Onslaught. At the other end of the diptych, Xavier as social concern. Also, forthcoming "enemy of all intelligent life in the universe', which should be fun. Phoenix/Anti-(or Dark, as some people call it...)Phoenix?

The Cuckoos each comprising one fifth of the minds psychological defenses, possibly (Esme - 'beloved', emotional attachments, Sophie - 'wisdom', rationale. Umm, don't know the three other names, or defenses. Ganesh?) I wonder what happens when one goes missing: they've been quite unpleasant to Emma, but that's about it.

Scott Summers as super-sexually repressed idealist. A man who's aroused, like Emma is by 'bereavement', by visions of the wife he thought had died. He also married her clone, thereafter, so this is hardly new. I'd be surprised if Emma hadn't had them lie together on the moon, beside a recently fired laser, as an astral makeout setting. Perhaps that'd be going too far... Also Apocalypse, envoy of uber-Darwinism has infested his head recently, so perhaps this fixating on the Phoenix, an all-powerful embodiment of humanity's potential is hardly surprising. I really liked the line, in #138, 'He made everything seem boring afterwards,' but I can't quite figure what this exactly is pointing at. It may be a symptom of the aforementioned repression.

Emma is overshadowed by Jean also, careers and choice-wise; she's failed miserably in all her teaching assignments, and a great many students of hers have died - a multitude of Hellions, Synch of Generation X. Her 'icing up' into diamond form is a physical manifestation of mental foetal posture, trying to feel as little as possible. And perhaps something she identifies with Scott in doing. She's envious, and emotionally hobbled. She does a fairly good impression of someone who's coked out when in this state.

Coke (to the nth level) = Kick? Bendis has been having fun with mutant drugs also, in Daredevil and Alias. Taking drugs can make one approximate (what I imagine to be, never having been diagnosed with one) the experience of mental illness. I like the idea, coined here, of No-Girl as anti-kick, as a being representing the Special Class' group unity; 'you can have fun without drugs...'

I like Magneto, Quentin and Dummy's transmutation to aethereal beings. The inactive Dummy becoming a 'fart in spacesuit', mental inactivity, released, Quentin perhaps collating and improving on Xavier's and Magneto's combinant philosophies as he became transcendent, and Magneto, I think I've mentioned before.

Fill in your own... I'm a bit stuck on Xorn and Phoenix.
 
 
Mr Tricks
19:05 / 25.03.03
well along those line could XORN be the equivilent of say... Epiffany. Or Satori, religious "enlightenment" and the like. C'mon Star headed, Asine fellow who transended opression through meditation?

PHOENIX:
how about artistic vision/inspiration. The creative/transformative drive?
 
 
Mr Tricks
22:19 / 25.03.03
um... I ment to say "Asian"
 
 
The Falcon
01:29 / 26.03.03
"Who is Billy Chang."

Representative of extra-dimensional thinking, 'outside the box', as it were; evolutionary spike. I like it.
 
 
The Falcon
01:30 / 26.03.03
^
Sorry. Wanky post.
 
 
iconoplast
02:16 / 26.03.03
I know we oughtn't cross-compare inside Morrisson's ouvre, but the bald-guys-and-the-hot-redheads-who-love-them thing has not (I don't think) been commented on, w/r/t Prof X and Jean.

Anyway.
 
 
Quireboy
08:26 / 26.03.03
Well after every telepathic confrontation in this book we seem to have travelled a bit further up the spiral towards enlightenment. Quentin has evolved - unless you think Xorn killed him in mid-ascension - and surely Jean is next.

Back to the Columbine comparison - Xavier's comment that peaceful co-existence might not be the right way forward does seem to allude to the forthcoming Assault on Weapon Plus (unless it is provoked by the murder). Given what Quentin said in the infirmary will this be another example of Xavier missing the point as the real enemy has been within all along?

Re NXM as a psychological battlefield - I think it's something more basic than that in a way. Mutation tends to occur in adolesence so has all those puberty/coming of age connotations - by introduction secondary mutation Grant seems to be using mutation as a metaphor for (lifelong) personal growth - or in the case of someone like Emma to reflect deep seated and unresolved psychological problems.
 
 
Quimper
20:28 / 28.05.03
I thought of this thread when I thought how easily Esme, a psi, bested two of the most trained X-Men, Bishop and Sage, in a blink of an eye.

I guess Esme can be seen as the rebellion meme, something that will always exist in a school for teenagers. Especially one that has another rebellion meme spraypainted all over it.

It seems that Esme has been the most conducive to the Columbine reference thus far, as she has been the one rampantly using her telepathy to put herself at the top of the high school/mutant order. Although, like Columbine, Quentin's actions were from pure emotion, one can argue that the two boys who went on the killing spree were also doing so to achieve status, like Esme.

It's interesting that potentially so much tragedy at the school has been due to Esme's telepathic massaging. She steered Sophie toward death. She could be the one both behind Kick and behind QQ and the Omega Gang's abuse of it. She is responsible for Jean finding out about the affair. She been going through the school with a silencer on her brain.

With such abuse of telepathy not going noticed, not by the three top telepaths in the mansion and possibly the world, can telepathy continue to be tolerated in the Institute? Both Quentin and Esme have gone on their Columbine rampage. What will be the consequence?
 
 
Aertho
21:17 / 27.11.03
*bump*

Seeing as how the Professor's telepathy weaponry is silenced, and telepaths are the only form of reliable worldwide communication with Magneto in charge, I figured we should all take another look at this thread.

IS Phoenix the creative/transformative aspect of the Universe? Is Magneto's conscience taliing to him, or is the Phoenix, or is conscience actually just a touch of a wing of the Phoenix? Is the Phoenix going to replace consciousness with conscience?
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
22:41 / 27.11.03
It would be so much better for the story if it were just Magneto's conscience eating away at him without any outside interference. It's better for his story arc for it to work that way.
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
13:57 / 29.11.03
I think "conscience" is too simplistic a term to describe what is happening with Xorneto.
 
 
The Falcon
03:00 / 30.11.03
So do I.

But Matthew fears the aether.
 
 
Aertho
13:50 / 30.11.03
Matthew has a point though. The only way Magneto could EVER be defeated is for him to defeat himself... thus through his conscience. He's just getting more and more seriously deranged the more he externalizes that aspect of himself. The story will be greater if Magneto is forced to recognize that dichotomy, and doesn't have "them pesky X-Men and their mangey Wolverine too" to blame.

My question more examined the nature of "conscience-ness" in the New X-Men, and the role of telepathy as a method of consciousness unification for the biota(universal lifeform).

Is Magneto, by the externalization of his Xornself and the amplification of his mind through Kick, "tapping into" the "conscience-ness" of the Phoenix?
 
  

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