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Lustral (sertraline)

 
 
Char Aina
00:20 / 29.01.03
i have been placed in the unfortunate position of going through someones things for them, a task to which i have been entrusted by said person.


they have been taking 'uppers' as i might call them, or happy pills as i am more likely to.
i assumed they would be ones i knew, but they are not. they are made by pfizer, and the labeling on the box says lustral and also in smaller writing, sertraline.


any ideas?
the person in question could do with someone who knows talking to their doctor on their behalf, id just like all the facts first.
 
 
Jack Fear
00:37 / 29.01.03
Here.

It's the same stuff as Zoloft, essentially—a selective serotonin inhibitor/abtidepressant.
 
 
Cailín
00:39 / 29.01.03
I couldn't find any info on the word "lustral". Sertraline, a.k.a. Zoloft, has some info on webmd.com - it's an antidepressant used to treat a multitude of problems: Post-traumatic stress disorder, obsessive-compulsive disrder, social anxiety disorders, panic disorders, sometimes even severe PMS and/or chronic pain. Potential side effects are pretty much the same as any anitdepressant: "nausea, headache, anxiety, dry mouth, insomnia, and a variety of sexual problems." (The sexual problems usually means a lack of desire.) I never really thought of anitdepressants so much as uppers, more like balancers. I hope some of this is useful.
 
 
Jack Fear
00:43 / 29.01.03
Yeah, I was gonna say...

Characterizing a valuable pharmaceutical tool for treating a crippling disorder as a "happy pill" seems to indicate, how shall we say, a lack of understanding and/or empathy...
 
 
Char Aina
00:56 / 29.01.03
i understand, as i have been borderline myself. i empathise for similar reasons.

i call them happy pills because that is what they bring, a chemical contentment.

i see what you are saying, i hear your warnings, but i will not alter how i say it.
 
 
Char Aina
00:59 / 29.01.03
also, thanks for the quick assist.

could i ask what you guys searched for , and on which engine?
 
 
Jack Fear
01:01 / 29.01.03
Google, as always, with "lustral sertraline" as my search string.
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
01:08 / 29.01.03
I'm with Jack on both counts, actually. Having recently been on the damn things, I would hesitate to use the word "happy" to describe their effects. "Blunting" might be a better word.
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
01:11 / 29.01.03
And, you know, a quick search of the manufacturer's site could've helped, too. They do have to have information about their products available.
 
 
Cailín
01:17 / 29.01.03
webmd.com
http://www.mediconline.com/
 
 
Ganesh
10:14 / 29.01.03
Yep, they're the most widely-prescribed class of antidepressants. Characterising them as "happy pills" also overestimates their effect: they cannot change an unhappy situation to a happy one and they will not induce "chemical contentment" in the face of great adversity. They tackle various of the disturbed cycles which accompany depression (disturbed sleep, impaired appetite, etc.) and, at most, 'tip the balance' in the sufferer's favour. One major aim is to help him/her reach a position, mood-wise, whereby they're able to address some of the factors (situation, personality, and so on) which contributed to the depression. On their own, they provide a 'window of opportunity' and, IMHO, are best used in conjunction with other approaches.
 
 
Jack Fear
12:32 / 29.01.03
In other words, they can help to lead the patient (in Freud's famous phrase) "from paralyzing, hysterical misery to ordinary, everyday unhappiness."
 
 
Ganesh
13:11 / 29.01.03
Yeah. Happiness ain't part of the deal.
 
 
Char Aina
16:20 / 29.01.03
so, i am not allowed to call them happy pills, or you will all just think i am too thick to get it/a cunt/just plain mean if i do?
 
 
Ganesh
16:24 / 29.01.03
You asked a question and people answered. I pointed out the reasons why these are not simply pills that induce happiness; you can call them whatever you like. Try not to be so bloody spiky about it, though, eh?
 
 
Char Aina
17:44 / 29.01.03
yeah.
spiky.


i wasn't answering your reasons whuy they arent technically happy pills.
i was actually getting spiky obver being imbued with a lack of sensitivity and or empathy.
but hey, who could know?
 
 
Ganesh
17:53 / 29.01.03
And I think you were being unnecessarily defensive in your apparent assumption that those who have (perfectly reasonably) addressed your initial query within this thread are motivated by the vindictive desire to call your "sensitivity and or empathy" into question. Sometimes it isn't about you, y'know.
 
 
Char Aina
18:34 / 29.01.03
okay.

Yeah, I was gonna say...

Characterizing a valuable pharmaceutical tool for treating a crippling disorder as a "happy pill" seems to indicate, how shall we say, a lack of understanding and/or empathy...



jack fear, further up the thread, and aimed, i assumed, at me.
in the "0how shall we say", i detect a little bit of reluctance to express himself as he realy felt. which again, i assume was more negative.
 
 
Helmschmied
18:41 / 29.01.03
I've been on Sertraline for maybe six months now. I'm certainly not a particularly happy person but so far (for me) it has been the most efffective antidepressant I've tried. I ended up with a few scars while on Imipramine, and od'ed on sleeping pills while on fluoxotene. So far, sertraline has kept me from doing anything stupid, and in my opinion that means it's working pretty damned well.

....now if only I could be happy and sleep on a regular bases.....nah that won't happen
 
 
w1rebaby
19:12 / 29.01.03
In my experience, people who take SSRIs very often call them happy pills, if they're not referring to them by brand name or batch number or compound, or just calling them "my fucking meds". I don't know anyone who hasn't been being ironic there, though.
 
 
Ganesh
20:33 / 29.01.03
Let's assume a) Toksik's use of the term "uppers" was ironic, and b) Jack Fear was not indirectly calling Toksik a thicko cunt. That might be the least depressing option all round.
 
 
FinderWolf
21:39 / 29.01.03
Actually, I think Lustral is one of the newest SSRIs. The 'family' is SSRIs -- Zoloft, Lustral, Celexa, Prozac, Paxil, etc. Just to nit-pick the abstract description (and I mean this only in the most fun and nicest, nit-picky smiling way possible, and I'm not trying to be sarcastic when I say that. I just want to add/clarify to the discussion but I don't want Toksik to think I'm being snide, seriously.)
 
 
FinderWolf
21:42 / 29.01.03
Oohh, I think I get it more clearly now. I think Lustral is the European name for the medication, whereas Zoloft is the US name for the exact same medication -- right? (Such meds often have different names in diff. countries)

Helm, glad to hear the medication has helped you.
 
 
Char Aina
23:33 / 29.01.03
i dint think that was at all snide.
you had no need to worry, or to even type that much.
 
 
w1rebaby
00:47 / 30.01.03
I have a nice biro with the Lustral smiley-face logo on the clip (the one in the middle). It is the only anti-depressant I know of to have an actual logo.
 
 
Elbereth
05:00 / 30.01.03
Im high school, when every one was taking way more medications than they should have been able to live through, almost everyone i knew was prescribed something kind of SSRI I think it was prozac freshman don't remember soph, or junior and senior was paxil with everything else thrown in for variety. none of them can actually be considered drugs. You would trade large amounts of them for things like vicodin(painkiller) and adderall(stimulant). they were never any good for trade for real drugs and they were moore like "pretend" dope not even as good as kiddie dope(adderall). You could snort most of them (except paxil) and they would give you a minor high in the speedy direction. however if you have fucked up body chemistry (like me) or combine them with other drugs (like alcohol weed speed ect) you can hallucinate(not in the good way), give yourself brain damage, and liver damage. I think lustral came out after high school but i think i know one girl who's on them (and everything else under the sun). that's about all I know on that subject, if you cared to know.
 
 
Char Aina
21:02 / 30.01.03
i do care, that is exactly what i was looking for, more or less. i wanted to know about the effects on a more personal level; obvioulsy i found all the previous info useful, but most of it was in the 'liner notes'.

has anyopne any experiences of actually taking the lustral variety?
 
 
Ganesh
21:57 / 30.01.03
Ahhh, "all the facts", then.

I'm always slightly unnerved by the degree to which US parents seem eager to medicate children whose behaviour isn't just quite right - and the apparent readiness of US psychiatrists to indulge them in this. I'm not sure that parents in the UK are necessarily hugely different (we all like a pharamaceutical solution to our difficulties) but the health service is set up in such a way that this driving medicalisation is at least slightly less extreme/widespread.

Which is by the by, really; Elbereth's post just reminded me of the (narrowing) culture gap.

I've never taken Sertraline myself but I'm certainly aware of its fairly pitiful abuse potential (assuming Elbereth is defining "drugs" as those substances which can produce a pleasant, euphoric or at least interesting effect - and are therefore worth abusing). Like other SSRIs (and, come to that, many other preparations), it can be ground up into powder and snorted or injected. I recall one patient in particular who admitted to injecting himself with powdered Paroxetine and reckoned it produced a near-instantaneous high of modest proportions, with an equally instantaneous comedown - barely worth the hassle of shooting up. SSRIs work by gradually (over two to four weeks) blocking reuptake of serotonin, so I'd guess the abuse effect results from a sort of weak serotonin burst.

Mixing antidepressants with CNS depressants (alcohol, weed, etc.) is always gonna produce odd, unpredictable effects, whether or not one considers oneself to have "fucked up body chemistry". Someone I know mixed Fluoxetine with alcohol and reckoned it felt like "flying": he became manic shortly afterwards, though, and was hospitalised.

Sertraline is fairly bog-standard among SSRIs, really, with no real 'stand-out' effects that I can see. It's more adjustable, dosage-wise, than Fluoxetine and less likely to induce an agitated withdrawal state than Paroxetine. Several of my patients have complained of unpleasant side-effects (dry mouth, tremor, sexual dysfunction) and I guess I tend to view it as somewhat 'dirty' in that regard.
 
 
Char Aina
22:51 / 30.01.03
could that have been any more perfect?
i dont think so.


if anyone has anything to add, please feel free, but i think i am a lot happier now.

cheers.
 
  
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