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Weirdest bootleg yet. Maybe ever.

 
 
Jack Fear
23:53 / 28.01.03
My jaw is on the floor.
You must listen to this.

Eminem vs. ...Scott Joplin?
 
 
Graeme McMillan
00:23 / 29.01.03
That's fucking amazing.

Where did you find it? And is there an MP3 download version?
 
 
Jack Fear
00:27 / 29.01.03
(a) Some dude on Delphi's I Believe In rock 'n' Roll forum linked to it.

(b) Sadly, there does not appear to be, or I'd be all over it like white on rice.
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
01:00 / 29.01.03
Holy fuck. That's awesome.
 
 
Jack Fear
01:02 / 29.01.03
Heh. yeah, I thought you, in particular, would like that one...

The possibilities are endless: Snoop Dogg vs. Duke Ellington, anyone?
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
01:34 / 29.01.03
Ah, that one's actually been around for a while now. It's by a fellow who calls himself the Freelance Hairdresser, and it's titled "Marshall's Been Snookered". It's really great, and has gotten a lot of mainstream press actually.

You can download it here from me for a little while, okay?
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
03:13 / 29.01.03
I want to see someone tough enough to be put up against Mingus...
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
03:18 / 29.01.03
Well, make one, man!

I'd love to hear someone try cutting up and looping some bits of "Better Git Hit In Your Soul", particularly that horn motif in the beginning that comes back towards the end. I'd hum it for you, but I can't. The melody might be a little too busy though, but it could be a good recurring riff between verses.

What Mingus bits would you think work?
 
 
videodrome
04:18 / 29.01.03
Man, that's the one Mingus track I hate, and would like to avoid hearing if at all possible. It's just too showy for me, and has a bloody irritating melody, besides. Lemme pull out the stuff and see what I'd suggest is better.

I'd go with II B.S. as a starting point, though...
 
 
The Strobe
07:32 / 29.01.03
I just wanted to say, again, in my irritating manner: god, that's so old.

Top tune, though.
 
 
Jack Fear
12:27 / 29.01.03
Haitian Fight Song has possibilities...

But looping bits and pieces of jazz tunes (as with all other kinds of tunes) has been done almost to death—Guru was doing it back in the day with the Jazzmatazz project; and does anybody remember Us3? They were on Blue Note, as I recall—in any event, they were the first hip-hop outfit to be given full access to Blue Note's back catalogue: they had a huge hit with a tune sampling Herbie Hancock's "Cantaloupe Island."

But this is different: ragtime isn't loose or vampy—it's rigorously structured and thoroughly composed music, and this remix plays off that. It's the same kind of exercise as the famous Strokes/Christina Aguilera "collaboration": instead of taking just the vampy bits of a record and extending them, you're lifting an entire structure more-or-less wholesale, and imposing another structure on top. The fascination comes in how the two structures interlock and recontextualize one another—and in the best cases, the beauty is in how inevitable they sound.

The Eminem/piano rag thing is so exciting because both the underlying structure and the overstructure are so intricate, and the mesh results in such propulsive cross-rhythms.

And I think it makes a sly comment about race, too, by placing Eminem's voice in the context of another great and uniquely American artform, as exemplified by an African-American composer.
 
 
grant
13:44 / 29.01.03
I bet you could do the same thing with any fast-paced rap - Busta Rhymes maybe? (I'm not terribly familiar with the whole scene.)
But I have heard shadows of this sort of thing before with the syncopated/machine-gun word strings that some rappers seem good at. Deebie-deebie-doobie-doobie-dee-dee-doo-dum.

That said, it's brilliant somebody went and did it.

I think Mingus would be very different. However, I can see a similar rhythmic relationship between a march tune (John Philip Sousa) and the slower R&B-type stuff (Aaliyah? India Arie?).

Dum-pa-dum-pa-dum badeedah dum-pa-dee-pa-dum.

Maybe it's trying too hard.
 
 
Jack Fear
13:54 / 29.01.03
Mingus would be very very different: ragtime and Eminem are both all about the triplets—Em's going buck wild with the anapestics, yo, and ragtime was also known, in its day and somehwat derisively, as "jigtime"—not only as a slur against blacks, but also because it struck some of reminiscent of Irish music: it's in two, but you can hear the threes in there—which is also, not coincidentally, something you hear a lot in African traditional musics.
 
 
videodrome
00:50 / 01.02.03
Incidentally, did anyone notice that one of our newest members would appear to be Freelance Hairdresser? That's not bad.
 
 
Jack Fear
11:01 / 01.02.03
Freelance! Say hello! (Also, I need a little off the back & sides...)
 
 
freelance hairdresser
01:40 / 02.02.03
"Hello" !!! I had to wait 24 hours to get my account working...

'fraid I'm one of these odd people who actually goes looking for their "press"... well, I'm easily pleased. I'm amazed that people are still discovering the track today. I really only did it for a laugh (I do more serious bootlegs and music under another pseudonym) but it just went mad for some reason. On the one hand there are articles on the web analysing it rather too much, while here in the UK a daytime radio DJ picked up on it (more or less making it "his own" in the process, something that's happening on a large station in New York about now, I hear...) and every kid with a PC decided to have a go themselves and it gave birth to some real abominations. After a fortnight I had my head in my hands, sobbing... "what have I done?" Still, take what you want from it!

One thing, it's not Scott Joplin as most people seem to think - it's Winifred Atwell on the keys, but the result's the same!

"There's only one thing worse than being talked about..." as someone rather more famous than me put it... heh!!

cheers

/ fH

(oh by the way, it's downloadable at my site - along with the "sequel" I did to point out all the madness last summer...)
 
 
Jack Fear
14:02 / 02.02.03
On the one hand there are articles on the web analysing it rather too much...

*coughs discreetly*

I'll get me coat...
 
 
grant
18:56 / 03.02.03
Ooo! Ever think about doing anything with Sousa?
 
 
freelance hairdresser
20:24 / 03.02.03
No, Jack... don't go! I just find it quite amusing sometimes that people find all these things in the piece that I simply didn't know I was doing when I did it.. kind of like the "aeolian candences" in the Beatles work that Lennon thought were some kind of exotic birds...

...a bootleg version of The Turner Prize, anyone? heh!

Either that or it's a giggly novelty to some (the Chris Moyles audience types)... but it's quite nice to have done something that gets talked about in lots of ways. Even if I don't understand a few of them! It was a way of showing some of my scant disregard for the "works" of the great man, though... I'm not a fan, I just use his vocals like a builder would use cement. If it works, it'll do.

One thing is I wish I'd spent a little more time on it. You can hear the vocal fall out of sync with the track a few times, but I simply wasn't expecting it to be anythig other than an in-joke with a few people. Oh well... that'll teach me!

Sousa? Erm... !! Well, it's all fair game I suppose... In fact, the original version of the Snookered track was going to pitch the vcal against the 'circus march'... ya da daddle addle a da dah da etc. but old Winifred was a better match.

(another case of over-analysis... http://southsidecallbox.com/three_bootlegs.html)
 
  
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