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The Libertines!!!! (warning: contains pointless ranting(

 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
17:41 / 26.01.03
Good god I hate them. I just... I can't stand them. I can't stand people coming up to me and going on about how good the Libertines are. They're not. They're really, really not. I just can't understand it, I just... they just sound second rate, absolute messy dirge music. And the two frontmen... oh, fuck off! I dislike their faces.
 
 
Shortfatdyke
17:51 / 26.01.03
Actually I saw this lot on tv the other night and I quite liked the song, although I found the band pointless - they are just 1976 New York style punk rock. Reminded me a little of Richard Hell and the Voidoids. But I'm old enough to remember a lot of that stuff - if I was 17, I'd probably really really like them.

And they look girly enough to piss a lot of people off. A bonus!
 
 
adamswish
19:11 / 26.01.03
The Libertines - what the Clash would of sounded like if Dick Van Dyke (mary Poppins circa) and Tommy Steele had been founding members.

Trust me I've got the album and laugh my arse off each time I hear it.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
22:05 / 26.01.03
sfd. no, no, no. They aren't like that at all. That would make them somewhat good. What they are is very very bad.

But I didn't actually mean to post this topic. My bad.
 
 
rizla mission
13:40 / 27.01.03
hmm.. I can't really be arsed to have an opinion on 'em.. they just seem like a bit of a bungling, going-nowhere standard issue "indie" group who decided one day it would be cool to be like the Strokes and unexpectedly got swept up in a hype hurricane..

so, er, good luck to them I suppose. I imagine they're probably having fun drinking lots of beer they don't have to pay for and so on..
 
 
Not Here Still
16:15 / 08.11.03
*bump*

I really, really like this lot; I think their album is pretty damn good, and they are a fascinating soap opera of a band too. But I'm jsut about to go out, so you'll have to wait for tomorrow for more of my fascinating opinions on them. Feel free to chatter among yourselves until then...
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
21:48 / 08.11.03
My friend hates the Libertines because they tried to chat up his fiancee in a camden pub.

I hate them because they're a shitty strokes rip.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
16:03 / 09.11.03
homer giggling *Tee hee hee* /homer giggling

Laughs at how different my opinion is now. I tend to have irrational dislikes of things not actually based on music sometimes (Based on the people woul would endlessly ask me about them, who were annoying. I'm quite fond of a couple of their songs, and I like how they release stand alone singles.

Not crazy about 'em, mind. Just pointing out how I try to be more rational now. Sometimes...

But again: homer *tee hee hee* /homer

laughs at radiator for not thinking for himself. Or even if you think you are, not doing a very good job of it. Maybe popular now because of the whole strokes thing... but like them? No.
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
01:17 / 10.11.03
Right. I'm not thinking for myself. I hate the libertines because- wait, would you care to fill me in here? I'm not doing a good job of thinking for myself? Obviously I hate them just because they stepped to my friend's girl? Like, their terrible singles have nothing to do with it? Are you smoking crack?

Rationality is the enemy of free thinking, sunshine. There's no rational reason why I should hate the Libertines. My logos has nothing to do with my dislike of this, the shitest of shit bands. I just do. Call it taste (I have it, you don't).
 
 
Guy Parsons
10:28 / 10.11.03
OK, OK. Ignoring chronology i'd prefer to imagine The Strokes as a poor Libertines rip-off. As far as this New Rock thing goes, I think they're setting the standard for creating music that's just got a lot more passion behind it than other outfits who come across a little... detatched?

And (forgive me if this sounds a little naive) the secret parties and gigs! Releasing three-hours of new tunes and demo's for free, on the net, when most other bands would wait until their flagging careers demanded releasing it as a double-CD for an extortionate price. The whole Albion/Arcadia/Britishness myth thing (understood if you find it gimmicky though). And while I'm not praising the we-hate-each-other-I'm-burgling-your-house-now-I'm-in-prison-now-I'm-off-the-skag-and-now-we-love-each-other-again saga, it was kind of interesting.

Basically, I like their music, and I like the "stuff" they do, stuff I didn't realise bands could do until they came along. Probably because I'm sixteen. Whatever. Who can argue that The Clash wouldn't have been improved by having Mr van Dyke in the line up anyway?

(you should check out Adam Green doing What A Waster, though: www.babyshambles.org)
 
 
Axel Lambert
10:42 / 10.11.03
I sorta like their music too, and, hey, I'm 39! Saw them live last winter and I must say they were extremely good. Don't care that they rip off Clash/Jam/whatever.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
11:07 / 10.11.03
Radiator: Sorry, I phrased that really badly.

You said "I hate the Libertines because they're a shitty Strokes rip"; which is all I was responding to. I have no idea whether or not they're twats in "real life" and don't really care.

I just thought that comment was lazy thinking, and another example of you continuing to propagate things that you've read elsewhere that actually aren't particularly near the truth. I'm sorry if you actually think that, but it seems to be ill thought out to me. It seems the kind of thinking which goes; any band w/long hair/generic indie clothes = strokes rip.

My only point being that The Libertines are nothing like the Strokes, and if you'd listened to them then that would be apparent.
 
 
lord nuneaton savage
11:14 / 10.11.03
Actually I think they sound more like Half-man half-biscuit.
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
11:54 / 10.11.03
Urgh. I was drunk like Oliver Reed when I posted that. Sorry for any offence caused, chaps.

I'm not talking about just the style, most of their songs sound very strokes like. I formed this oppinion all by myself. I'm very sure of it.
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
11:54 / 10.11.03
Urgh. I was drunk like Oliver Reed when I posted that. Sorry for any offence caused, chaps.

I'm not talking about just the style, most of their songs sound very strokes like. I formed this oppinion all by myself. I'm very sure of it.
 
 
Not Here Still
18:01 / 10.11.03
Suedehead - it's your fault I bumped the thread the other day, old boy. You posted about liking the Libertines in your random rumblings, and I wondered if they'd had a thread while I was off board for a while; they had, though I was a bit taken aback by who had started it, I must say....

Personally, I think this band has it in them to be something very special - if they don't destroy themselves first. At the risk of getting flamed in a forum which seems to have a large number of (early) Manics fans on it, they remind me of the Manics quite a lot; they are a band with a manifesto who seem to be inspiring massive devotion in their fans and massive polarisation in the general music-magazine consuming public at large.

I have to admit that, as with the Yeah Yeah Yeahs, I was cautious of them at first; they seemed over-hyped and that can often be a bad sign. But I weas swung by two things; hearing I Get Along, with its perfectly-timed sweary bit; and reading a piece around the time Pete got banged up which had the lines from Time For Heroes - 'theres fewer more distressing sights than that/ Of an Englishman in a baseball cap' in it and something just clicked. Then I heard the song, which referenced the WOMBLES - as in White Overalls, not Uncle Bulgaria - and liked it even more.

Then I bought the album on a whim, and fuck me, they're a great pop band playing at being shambolic, rather than the other way around.

This is a deeply British album and I hear echoes of the Kinks, the Jam and the Clash in it; even some of the manifesto ethos of early-period Blur when they were doing Modern Life is Rubbish, and I reckon they're at least thinking about things and trying to reflect their culture; not bad at all.

And their songs have some great sweary bits in them; best use of swearing I've heard for some time, as a matter of fact.

That said, I don't want anyone to take the above as a hymn to how superb the Libertines are; I just happen to like them, that's all...
 
 
All Acting Regiment
19:53 / 10.11.03
hehe- i've got a totally original reason for nt liking them. one of them used to go out with my cousin, and lets say he was more than a bit of a thwaite. That good enough?
 
 
Not Here Still
19:57 / 10.11.03
Yeah, but does everybody in this thread have a personal beef with them or something? Two posters hate them because of events IRL. Spooky.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
20:00 / 10.11.03
That fooled you for a second didn't it? No? Oh well. I dislike them, just because the *hype* tells us that we're entering a new era of "exciting confrontational original" bands, when we're blatantly not.

Strokes, libertines, hot hot heat etc etc- yes, you can copy punk guitar styles and shout a bit. But the lyrics, man, the lyrics- they arent clever, they arent insightful, they dont make you **think**. They just suit the music.

I can think of at least two bands (yeah yeah yeahs + interpol) who badly rip off 70s new wave/garage/punk/joy division, in their stylings and dress sense. Yet none of them will ever reach the same places. You can wear a santa claus suit but it doesnt mean you have presents.

Look- I know blondie didnt write very politically minded lyrics- but they had **something**, they had an attitude of their own.

The bands modern bands rip were the bands they were because thats who they are; the modern bands are the bands they are because of the way the bands that used to be used to be.

hype hype hype, wank wank wank, lame lame lame.
 
 
Guy Parsons
14:38 / 11.11.03
Maybe I've been culturally brainwashed, maybe I'm just too young, but I prefer a lot of modern music over their predecessors, the bands they supposedly rip off. I've been listening to a lot of the music that is namechecked as influencing some of my favourite new bands, and to be honest I prefer the new stuff.

Interpol over Joy Division? You betcha. Blasphemy, I know.

I think The Libertines lyrics are one of their strengths, just for the way they sometimes phrase things in a romantic, British way. And they use words like "scuppered" which you just don't hear enough these days.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
14:49 / 11.11.03
I'm with you there to a large extent Guy - nostalgia is a pretty pernicious force when it comes to the way you approach music, but an all too common one. Thinking that the golden age is over and there are no decent bands anymore is just as inaccurate and self-defeating as constantly championing a new band as the greatest band of all time.

In terms of deciding whether a band who undeniably are influenced by one of their predecessors are doing something interesting with that influence or just singing kareoke, I think you just have to make the call on a case by case basis. I find Interpol a guilty pleasure and not quite up to the same standard as Joy Division, whom they ape a little closer for my tastes, BUT here's the thing: I don't revere Joy Division, I don't think that if someone prefers Interpol then that's some kind of shocking desecration of the sacred altar of classic music or anything shit like that...

(Sorry, this has nothing to do with The Libertines but I wanted to comment on the direction this thread has headed.)
 
 
Not Here Still
17:58 / 11.11.03
Well yes, debate the Libertines' hype all you like; as I say, and I think Suedehead intimates, there can be something off-putting about a band being overhyped.

Although for those people who claim not to read the music press,* it seems odd that you've managed to pick up on that hype - did it happen by osmosis, the ink from the NME bleeding into your leg as you browsed 'What Carp?' in WHSmiths, I wonder...

But surely good music is good music, whether it sounds like/ is influenced by something else, or not? People have been using guitars for the best part of a century; it takes something to go somewhere truly original with them. Not that I am saying it isn't possible, and hopefully someone will go and set up a thread on 'out there guitar noise' or something just to prove me wrong, but a lot of things are derivative. So bloody what?

*; this doesn't include me; I will pretty much read anything which interests me which I can get my hands on when it comes to the music press. I just don't believe or disbelieve every review...

Chris: You spiv! I did believe you when it came to your cousin! Bah...

Guy - I think The Libertines lyrics are one of their strengths, just for the way they sometimes phrase things in a romantic, British way. And they use words like "scuppered" which you just don't hear enough these days.

Indeed. I like What a Waster for the same reasons; divvy, 'two-bob' and spiv aren't words you hear much in rock songs nowadays, and I quite like the fact they use them anyway.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
20:02 / 11.11.03
hmmm- when did i ever mention that i only like "old bands"? Theres plenty of ace stuff around these days- but my beef is with the hype which is lies, and I know all hype is and always was lies, but its the way the current lies damage or steal from good things that pisses me off, if you see what I mean.

Threadrot, but in my humble opinion, the best band in the world is the one you're going to form at some point in the future, not what somebody is telling you to like.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
20:06 / 11.11.03
Plus- the thing which makes old bands good is still around, and always has been- I mean punk could be seen as an echo of guy fawkes. But on the other hand there are "THEM" who hate this kind of thing and go out of their way to kill it- people who want to destroy barbelith f'rexample, and there are some. Um...rambling...

I've got no problem with say, Dave. Dave goes to see libertines. Makes a decision on them. Good for Dave. It's Winston I can't stand...sees libertines on TV, reads of them in NME, forms an opinion of them.

It really is too late for me to be posting.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
20:21 / 11.11.03
Er... did Winston hear any of their music when they were on TV? Because if he did, I think he's perfectly entitled to his opinion of them.

Also, surely the problematic, tricksy thing about hype is that is neither all lies not all true, but rather a mix of the two. Saying "all hype is lies" is exactly the problem, I think: you risk throwing the baby out with the bathwater and disliking a band purely because of the favourable notices which they receive. As has been pointed out previously...
 
 
Guy Parsons
22:51 / 11.11.03
It is really hard to get hype out of your mind once it's there - it's easy to be disappointed with something that's really been hyped. The Strokes new album, for instance, is fairly naff if you compare it to the weight of expectations. Had The Strokes been unheard of and I'd stumbled 'cross them on Pitchfork or summat, then had a listen, I'd probably have burnt copies for all my friends by now.

I think nostalgia is kind of forgivable too. If in ten years I heard a band who sounded really similar to The Libertines, I might be a bit pissed off. Then again, if they sounded a bit similar, I'd probably really like them. That line of "influenced by / trying to be them" which is all down to personal judgement I suppose. 'Not Me Again' heard "echoes" of past bands, while Shortfatdyke sees them just *being* 1974 punkrock.

Still don't get their songs sounding very much like The Strokes though... The Strokes are one of the most rhythm-dependent bands around, the guitar/bass/drums could essentially be done by a robot. And The Libertines? Maybe I'm a little bit too biased but the melodies seem much more textured and advanced and the sound is messy against The Strokes fairly antiseptic approach. Ho, and indeed, hum.
 
 
Guy Parsons
22:53 / 11.11.03
On closer reading, I've just repeated everything everyone else just said. Time for bed, methinks.
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
01:21 / 12.11.03
Still don't get their songs sounding very much like The Strokes though... The Strokes are one of the most rhythm-dependent bands around, the guitar/bass/drums could essentially be done by a robot.

Guy: are you fucking kidding me? The Strokes play like shit, they can barely seem to hold their instruments, let alone coax the 2 chords they depend on out of them.

Actually, that could all be wrong. After all, how am I supposed to know how good the Strokes can play when they record in pro tools then have the album distorted to sound like a lo-fi recording? Fucking posers.

My point is that the Robots might be able to come up with some new ideas. And tunes. And they'd have individual personalities. And emotion. Stop being so unfair to the poor fucking robots.

The Libertines sound incredibly similar to the strokes. tunes and vocals.

Also, this whole "Britishness" thing is fucking retarded. Who says "spiv" "two bob" or whatever? Have the Libertines been sucked through a time portal from the 1940s in a smiliar manner to shit BBC primetime sitcom "Goodnight Sweetheart"? They might as well talk like Austin fucking Powers. No one except a poser or a faker would write lyrics as arse-shatteringly insincere as that. Grrrrrr.


It's late, I'm tired and full of impotent rage. You've been a fantastic audience, goodnight!
 
 
Not Here Still
17:29 / 12.11.03
Cripes and cor blimey, don't get all het up, Radiator me old china...


Oh, behave!
 
  
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