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Sherlock Holmes public domain?

 
 
some guy
01:00 / 25.01.03
Does anyone know if the character of Sherlock Holmes is in the public domain? Can anyone write a book involving him and the other ACD characters without any sort of license? What other characters are public domain - Tarzan? Dracula? Flash Gordon?
 
 
Irony of Ironies
09:21 / 25.01.03
Any creation is copyright automatically, and that includes significant characters - you couldn't, for example, make a film with Mickey Mouse as the main character without Disney lawyers getting interested. Basically, though, if the work that the character originally appeared in is in the public domain because the copyright term (life of author plus 50 years in the UK, as I rememeber) has run out, you can happily use the character.
With Sherlock Holmes, I believe you'd be fine as the copyright on the original books has run out - you can download the complete texts of most of Arthur Conan Doyle's books at http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/webbin/book/search?author=doyle+arthur+conan&amode=start
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
12:09 / 25.01.03
I wouldn't be surprised if King Features or someone like that holds the Flash copyright: maybe the strips/cartoons created in the 70s/80s change the copyright limits in that case... they could still argue it was being produced by them, then, right?
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
12:24 / 25.01.03
This seems to be the state of play on Sherlock Holmes copyright.
 
 
some guy
13:55 / 25.01.03
I guess what I'm after is trademark, then. I'm never sure about the difference between the two. Basically what I want to know is, are the stories themselves in the public domain, or is the actual character, too? Can John Doe publish a Sherlock Holmes novel free and clear?
 
 
Busigoth
14:52 / 25.01.03
I don't know for certain, but considering the number of authors who are writing stories & novels with Sherlock Holmes as the main or peripheral character, I would imagine that the character is free & clear.

Nicholas Sparks with _The Five-Percent Solution_ first published his novel some years ago. More recently, a very talented woma whose name escapes me--I sleep deprived from worrying about my job--has started an excellent series which begins with the novel _The Beekeeper's Apprentice_, the beekeeper being Sherlock, of course. Perhaps the information on the copyright page of one of those books would give you some insight into the situation.
 
 
some guy
20:01 / 25.01.03
Thanks, everyone!
 
 
Jack Fear
20:15 / 25.01.03
Nicholas Sparks with _The Five-Percent Solution_...

Meyer and Seven. 1975, I believe.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
15:30 / 26.01.03
The author of 'The Beekeeper's Apprentice' is Laurie R. King
 
 
The Photographer in Blowup
16:38 / 28.01.03
Since we're talking about copyrights, what about Dr Fu Manchu, created by Sax Rhomer?

I read that because Rhomer kept on writing Fu Manchu novels until the mid-fifties, his characeter is still under the copyrights law, in spite of Fu Manchu having been created in 1911 or something.

I think that was even the reason why Alan Moore couldn't use Fu Manchu's name in the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen vol.1, for otherwise he would have to pay royalties.

Anyone can inform me about this?
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
20:46 / 28.01.03
I'm fairly sure that would be the case. Rohmer would still be due royalties because he was still writing so recently. Alas, this page doesn't say much about it - but has a fairly effective bibliography, if you want to see when Fu Manchu would become PD.

Technically, too, though I think it's been linked here before, some Conan-Doyle stuff doesn't become PD until later this year.
 
 
Simplist
21:27 / 28.01.03
There was just a lengthy article on this on one of the comics news sites in relation to the recent court decision on the subject. Here's the relevant quote:

3. So what happens when the copyright expires - can anyone do, say, a Mickey Mouse cartoon?

The copyright laws provide the owners of copyright with a bundle of exclusive rights, including the right to copy a work, to create derivative works, and to sell copies of the works. Once the copyright expires, and the work enters the public domain, anyone can exercise any of these previously exclusive rights. So had the “Steamboat Willie” cartoon entered the public domain, anyone could make copies of the cartoon, sell the cartoon, show the cartoon at a film festival, etc., without permission and without having to pay Disney for the rights.

But things get a little tricky because Disney still owns the MICKEY MOUSE(R) trademark and, unlike copyrights, the trademark can be kept alive indefinitely as long as it is in use. So you might be able to create and sell copies of the “Steamboat Willie” cartoon, but you could be stopped from marketing the cartoon as “a MICKEY MOUSE(R) video”. Similarly, when Superman enters the public domain, anyone could reprint the public domain works, but could not create and sell new comic books under the title “SUPERMAN”(R), as that trademark is owned by AOL/Time Warner.
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
01:33 / 19.02.03
Fu Manchu's copyright is actually tied up by Marvel Comics of all people, IIRC. Fu is Shang-Chi: Master of Kung Fu's father and their ownership of the trademark or license is why he couldn't be named in LOEG.

-Kevin
 
 
Templar
14:31 / 25.02.03
The US has just extended copyright. Strangely enough, they seem to do this every time "The Mouse" is about to become public domains. Cut it a bit fine this time - by just a few months, I think. It's called The Mouse Law, or something. Anyway, it has all kinds of implications. Copyright was introduced to allow a creator to gain a reasonable level of profit from their creations. But it is necessary for cultural evolution that ideas are pulled apart, insulted, recast, revisioned, etc. and for that to happen they need to be in the public domain. So it should be a delicate balancing act. Except when your government is in the pocket of big business.
 
  
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