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Peace Piss

 
 
000
04:15 / 24.01.03
World opinion moves against Bush

Growing worldwide opposition to a war on Iraq is putting the pressure on the US administration, argues Simon Tisdall
Thursday January 23, 2003

Those who are opposed to the George Bush administration's policy towards Iraq, and specifically its threat to launch an unprovoked invasion of the country, must surely be immensely heartened by the discernible shift in worldwide public opinion on the issue.
Last weekend's well-supported demonstrations in cities as diverse and far apart as Tokyo, Islamabad, Damascus, Moscow, Washington and San Francisco are indicative of the gathering power and reach of the anti-war movement.

For every person who took to the streets, there are thousands, maybe tens of thousands, who share their concerns. As the crisis appears to move towards some sort of denouement, the size and potency of this international resistance can be expected to grow.


Yesss. I want more of this.
 
 
000
05:08 / 24.01.03
The US vs. France/Germany

"French President Jacques Chirac and German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder said in a joint television interview they agreed a war would be, as the French leader termed it, "the worst of all solutions." Rumsfeld called the German and French position "a problem," adding: "But you look at vast numbers of other countries in Europe, they're not with France and Germany on this. They're with the United States.""

"French leaders reacted angrily Thursday to U.S. Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld's dismissal of France and Germany as the "old Europe," saying the comments underscore America's arrogance.
&
The decision from the two European powerhouses led NATO to postpone its planning for a possible war in Iraq.
"

"Mr Schröder told a joint press conference in Paris: "We are both completely agreed on harmonising our positions as closely as possible so as to find a peaceful solution to the Iraqi crisis." Mr Chirac said their joint approach was "based on the two principles that the security council is the only body qualified to decide on military intervention, and secondly that war is always an admission of failure and the worst possible solution. Everything possible should be done to avoid it"."
 
 
000
05:21 / 24.01.03
"
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Several thousand Spaniards protest possible U.S.-led attack on Iraq" vs. "The centre-right government of prime minister Jose Maria Aznar has made it clear that Spain stands firmly behind the US. He recently told foreign journalists that Mr Bush's "axis of evil" speech was comparable to Reagan's "evil empire" speech, which he credited with bringing down communism."

More! MORE!!!
 
 
000
18:20 / 25.01.03
In case you missed it, the currents that are active and about truly make me happy.

From the look of things, this will be one of the unifying activities that indiscriminately brings together a wide range of people, and that so many dare oppose the governments that push for war should be seen as a GOOD thing.

How are the proceedings towards the Feb 15th in your country/city doing?
 
 
Baz Auckland
18:26 / 28.01.03
From The Toronto Star

But yesterday White House response to the U.N. inspectors' report was more cautious, indicating Bush would prefer not to declare a unilateral war, backed only by his close ally Britain. Press Secretary Ari Fleischer told reporters Bush's State of the Union speech tonight would not be an attempt to rally Americans for an immediate all-out attack on Iraq.

"They won't hear a deadline and they won't hear a declaration of war," he said.

If Bush takes a slower approach, it is because he is weighing the consequences of going to war, while his allies and part of the American public remain unconvinced.

As the war drums beat louder and faster in the Pentagon this month, voices of dissent slowly began to rise in the streets. In major American cities, tens of thousands of protesters marched for the first time, sending the message that they oppose a new war.

The stock market has been fluttering nervously, and plunged more than 100 points yesterday on news Iraq was not fully complying with the U.N. inspectors.

The Dow Jones average dropped below 8,000 for the first time in three months. Economists have predicted worse may come if war is declared.

In Europe, opposition to war is substantial and growing, as is resentment of the U.S.

Following the Blix report, German Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer — a leading foe of war on Iraq — called for more time for inspectors to investigate, and asked for a new report from Blix and chief nuclear watchdog Mohamed ElBaradei next month.

Meanwhile, one of America's key allies, Turkey, is making last ditch efforts to find a way of resolving the crisis without military action. It has been joined by other countries across the Middle East that have little love for Saddam, but fear the instability that could follow a war.

The immediate question is whether Bush is able to rally the Security Council, including skeptics Russia, :::China and France, on the strength of the evidence Blix presented: among them, accusations that Saddam has covered up the whereabouts of deadly nerve gas and biological weapons.

If that fails, Bush will have to decide what course of action is open to him, whether unilateral action, or finding a way of backing away from war, while demonstrating that Saddam is no longer a menace to world security, as the U.S. has claimed.


I'm feeling a lot more optimistic, and a starting to seriously believe that there won't be a war, or if there is, Bush et al. will politically die and leave us in peace
 
 
gingerbop
19:11 / 28.01.03


··¤(`×[¤If You're Happy And You Know It Bomb Iraq¤]×´)¤··

If you cannot find Osama, bomb Iraq.
If the markets are a drama, bomb Iraq.
If the terrorists are frisky,
Pakistan is looking shifty,
North Korea is too risky,
Bomb Iraq.

If we have no allies with us, bomb Iraq.
If we think that someone's dissed us, bomb Iraq.
So to hell with the inspections,
Let's look tough for the elections,
Close your mind and take directions,
Bomb Iraq.

It's pre-emptive non-aggression, bomb Iraq.
To prevent this mass destruction, bomb Iraq.
They've got weapons we can't see,
And that's all the proof we need,
If they're not there, they must be there,
Bomb Iraq.

If you never were elected, bomb Iraq.
If your mood is quite dejected, bomb Iraq.
If you think Saddam's gone mad,
With the weapons that he had,
And he tried to kill your dad,
Bomb Iraq.

If corporate fraud is growin', bomb Iraq.
If your ties to it are showin', bomb Iraq.
If your politics are sleazy,
And hiding that ain't easy,
And your manhood's getting queasy,
Bomb Iraq.

Fall in line and follow orders, bomb Iraq.
For our might knows not our borders, bomb Iraq.
Disagree? We'll call it treason,
Let's make war not love this season,
Even if we have no reason,
Bomb Iraq.

-----------------------------------------------------
The man is an arsehole, yet Britains being pulled into war because of him. Bastard.
 
 
000
13:51 / 31.01.03
A little bit o' Magic:

Armand look at Spain, at this moment only 4% is for a war on Iraq, the same 4% contains the ruling royal heads and families, including their friends.

Be Angry yes, Demand for change, Think change, hold on to your belief in we the people, things are changing for the better but we will see fights first. In which countries in Europe these fights will be remains the question for now, because more and more European countries SAY NO TO WAR.
The European Council which makes up the voice of the people, has decided that a war on Iraq is to be considered illegal and will be punished.

Germany had the guts to go all the way and France joined them, they have become the First ONE Nation, United by the wishes of their people, woken up seeing what is and know what others want to become. And because of this, others including Greece, Belgium (which surprised even me) and Luxembourg have joined forces.

The unthinkable has happened in England - No To Pedophilains - the heaviest punishments for everyone who dares to come near a child. In the nest of the most die hard pedophilians came the first new laws for absolute protection of children but needless to say there's one question that remains within my head, whether or not they will live up to their new laws and promises? I know that this is the only way for them to be forgiven by the spirit world, and I know that this is the only change that can save England from hardship; yes, the ruling heads are the guilty ones, but the bulk of the people are victims, as they have been since the beginning of the reign of the bad ones. The end of suffering of the people can only be if child abuse is condemned with life sentences and there is no more rape.

Its all about the bad countries that harbor the true wrong leaders, where things must be set straight, and they all are getting a chance to clean up their house, so to speak, now why is that? Because we the people live in all these countries and there is not one god that seeks to destroy what he/she created. The countries that need to set things straight in order for the people to be saved, have been pointed out by the WHALES for these last few years, locations, the wrong ruling head areas, etc have been pointed out and the ruling heads know this, but they waited and waited to see if the real predictions of the old times were true, could they be true, for if you think about it they are getting a chance which many do not even deserve, but its because of we the people, because of all who are innocent that they are getting a new chance to set straight what your ancestors did wrong, and maybe, just maybe, nothing bad will happen. Realize that we do have ruling heads/families that will cease to exist simply because a certain bloodline must never be again.
And because that so much, which has been predicted is happening, the consciousness of us all is changing, due to waking up by the mere will of the winds of change which are the holy spirits, the change of our frequencies due to our planets traveling etc we finally see European leaders starting to believe that indeed all can change, and therefore we see them changing all sorts of laws, going completely against the wishes of the IMF idiots and obeying the wishes of we the people.

This is the best thing one can wish for, our European leaders have started to believe that Mea Culpa can be if they do the right thing, and they are doing the right thing. It’s a beginning I applaud and wish to see happening around our world, and in the end it will be like that.

Italy is walking on very dangerous grounds, they should chase Berlusconi away before its too late. He is bad and for a war on Iraq.
Basically every political group that is for a war on Iraq is really bad but the people define the final outcome, and those who do not answer the call of the people will eventually be hunted down by the same people they did not listen to.
For now we have 5 european countries left who support Bush and his war on Iraq, they even urged for an ok.

Italy = Berlusconi and friends. Berlosconi has dared to ask for Political Immunity. He has been sniffing way to much coke, and no, this is not a joke, he is a massive cokehead.

Spain = Aznar = the ruling 4%, the royal family and friends/partners. Spain which has forbidden the investigation of what went wrong with the oil spill catastrophe, and further more the organization behind the demonstrations against how the oil crisis has been handled, have been prosecuted.

Portugal = Catholics and one of the first black slave traders in Europe. Abuse and rape within family a common thing. Woman completely brainwashed thinking that they are a good wife if their son stays with them and raises his family within her house, they believe a son is the highest good.

Denmark = pedophile heaven, old men can sit in movie theaters while they fondle little children in public and no one can do anything about that because they are rarely punished.

And Poland, which I do not have enough info about, except that I do not like that country. Always against the Germans.

And of course England = Blair and friends who will be under trial. But I have seen the masses in England going for the kill. So they will get what they deserve coming from the hands of the very same people they have abused in sooo many ways.

Even that news coming from London, wants us to believe that there are still 8 countries who are on the side of USA, which is Not true, 5 countries is all that USA has left within the European community.

And now we have South Korea, that is starting to oppose the USA Big Time, they want them out, they dislike them and they do NOT want war against Iraq, Korea wants a unification as has previously happened in Germany but the US is standing in their way, the US do not want this to happen because according to the US, North Korea is part of the Axis of Evil.

So to finish with the words of Saddam, as seen on the news today, America will lose much more than just some soldiers if they insist on war, they will ISOLATE themselves, they will not be able to travel the world freely anymore, they will be locked in with no goods coming from anywhere except from those who support them and this will force the American people to go at their own leaders.

There is ONLY ONE COUNTRY IN THE WORLD that will LOSE EVERYTHING THEY THOUGHT THEY HAD, and this country is called The United States of America.

What we are seeing and hearing now is the following coming from American people: they are afraid to travel to Europe. See how the American government has created a police state already, they have scared their people so much that these people are doing exactly that which they should not, fear of other countries, fear of coming to Europe, while the only thing they have to do is state that they are against the war on Iraq, we in Europe know that the people are as innocent as we are, the blame goes to the ruling families and their friends and all who support their ways, now what is that about 2 million Americans? who are deciding right now, over the faith of around 280 million Americans?

If I could say one thing to the American people, it would be the following: do not fear and don't be afraid of coming to Europe, if you remain on American soil en mass, you help Bush and friends, you lock yourself in the very same country that wants you to stay in order for everyone to be wheeled right into these new prison camps, one reminder would be that Hitler first went to the States and then to Russia where he was shown their camps. No holocaust camps as we know them without the brains who created them... American brains.
 
 
Baz Auckland
14:24 / 31.01.03
And Poland, which I do not have enough info about, except that I do not like that country. Always against the Germans.

%gee, i wonder why%.

Denmark = pedophile heaven, old men can sit in movie theaters while they fondle little children in public and no one can do anything about that because they are rarely punished.

What do Danes fondling children have to do with Iraq?
 
 
Ganesh
18:44 / 31.01.03
And how come we don't have the time/energy to discuss "paedophilians" up in the Laboratory, but can do so here?
 
 
000
08:04 / 01.02.03
Barry Uackland: %gee, i wonder why%.

No. No no no.

Germany is going to prove otherwise, a claim spoken years ago has become reality, wait and see is all I can tells yer.

What do Danes fondling children have to do with Iraq?

Haven't you noticed?

We are living in the realizations of several predictions, and this means a healthy cycle of Exposure-Changed Awareness of the People-Demand for Change, and to some extent the spirit world will help nudge many open people forward.

And this change has to include child abuse as it exists today, because it creates too much negativity, pain and hatred which is a big No No in relative terms.

Ganesh, I ain't gonner answer your question here. PM, if you will.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
09:38 / 01.02.03
'nesh- it's touch and go. If the "paedophilians" turn out to be metaphorically lizards, we'll keep 'em here in Switchboard. If they actually are lizards, I think Laboratory gets 'em. Sorry, hon, Head Shop's missed its window!

Seriously (and no offence, Chrome) I think this thread's drifted drastically off-topic, judging by Yoda's abstract.

Let me pose a question. Unlike Barry, I don't think the chance of war has receded at all since it was first mooted, rather the opposite. Given that (afaic) it's inevitable, what is an anti-war campaigner to do? I don't for one minute think that the amount of people at the London demo in a fortnight will have any direct effect on affairs at all. But I'm still going. (Mostly because, pessimist that I am, I know the history books, if books there are by then, will have a big chapter on this coming war. And I'd like there to be at least some mention that it wasn't decided on by the people.)
 
 
000
10:43 / 01.02.03
If the "paedophilians" turn out to be metaphorically lizards, we'll keep 'em here in Switchboard.

I take it that Ganesh has done some behind the scenes activity in regards to what he thinks will happen with this thread and such? Thank you, I knew I could count on you to take the noble approach. No, this isn't an invitation for a shitstorm, nor should you address it here.

For the record, since the lizards seem to have a such hold on you I NEVER ONCE CLAIMED TO BELIEVE IN THEM but Laila and someone else did, tongue in cheek, perhaps, but also in regards to something else. But since the notion got stuck with me and my fic-suits I just played along. No more.

I don't think the chance of war has receded at all since it was first mooted, rather the opposite.

Yes, but we the people can assure that the chance of war is confined to certain locations only, with our opposition and refusal to play along with the gov'ts plans.

Because as you wisely say, we will show them and let them know NOT IN OUR NAME, and when they proceed with their plans the conflict of interests will be played out beautifully, because it is time we took our rightful power back instead of letting ourselves be controlled by what we perhaps didn't, perhaps did, put in power.
 
 
Ganesh
16:48 / 01.02.03
Don't get your Calvins in a twist, Chrome; I've done nothing "behind the scenes" or otherwise regarding this thread. I doubt I'm going to get a straight answer to my question here or by PM, though: we had an agreement regarding discussion of this subject (we'd evidence our arguments to the same degree and avoid stating something as 'fact' unless we could fully substantiate it, remember?) and you welched. Any scientific credibility you might've mustered is gone: your cryptic, paranoid excuses are now, frankly, of little interest to me.
 
 
000
13:54 / 08.02.03
Ganesh wrote:
Don't get your Calvins in a twist, Chrome; I've done nothing "behind the scenes" or otherwise regarding this thread. I doubt I'm going to get a straight answer to my question here or by PM, though: we had an agreement regarding discussion of this subject (we'd evidence our arguments to the same degree and avoid stating something as 'fact' unless we could fully substantiate it, remember?) and you welched. Any scientific credibility you might've mustered is gone: your cryptic, paranoid excuses are now, frankly, of little interest to me.

I don't care. About you, about your point and about your misinterpretations of events. Do me a favour and stay away from me.

-- So,

Pope and Germany Stand Together Over Iraq
&
Pope Tells World: Don't Resign Yourself to War

Quite an interesting thing.
 
 
000
16:57 / 08.02.03
Germany, France said to seek U.N. peacekeepers for Iraq instead of war

By TONY CZUCZKA
The Associated Press
2/8/03 8:42 AM

BERLIN (AP) -- Germany and France are working on a broad disarmament plan for Iraq designed to avoid war, including the deployment of U.N. soldiers throughout the country, reconnaissance flights and a tripling of the number of weapons inspectors, a magazine reported Saturday.

The weekly Der Spiegel said the plan would have international peacekeepers "in effect take control of the country for years," declare all of Iraq a no-fly zone and lead to agreements with Iraq's neighbors to crack down on smuggled exports of Iraqi oil as part of strengthened economic sanctions.

The governments in Berlin and Paris -- which are opposed to a war on Iraq -- have been working on the plan since the start of the year, the report said.

A German government spokesman said Germany and France are "jointly considering specific peaceful alternatives to a military solution" in Iraq. The spokesman, speaking on customary condition of anonymity, refused to comment on details of the report.

The joint plan could be presented to the U.N. Security Council in the form of a resolution, Der Spiegel said, adding that Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder sees a need to move beyond his strict anti-war stand, which has angered the United States.

As part of intensified sanctions against Iraq, Western countries would tighten export control laws, the report said. Reconnaissance flights to aid the inspectors on the ground in their search for weapons would be carried out by French Mirage IV jets.

Der Spiegel said Germany and France are sounding out other critics of the U.S. approach about their plan, including Russia, China and Greece.
 
 
000
06:53 / 09.02.03
Apparently, Prince Charming -- *cough* -- is against a war on Iraq as well.

How interesting.

Full Article
 
 
schmee
14:56 / 09.02.03
lack of respect

the eagerness in the eye
the splendid, disconnected sigh
melt in my mind with pain
until i find that last straw

it's just so obvious to me
i just can't help but see
and giggle to myself mentally
when it sticks in our bread

when it sucks in our head
and takes over the job
like some regimental slob
barking orders out the door

the fear of our emperor's clothes
strewn liberally over the throws
of heads and conservative hos
pretending they're being worn

oh, the eagerness in their eye
their splendid, disconnected sigh
melt in my mind with pain
until i find the last straw

that broke the camel's back
that stoked some awareness
that offered some fairness
that mounted some brave attack

on the shameless work of the few
determining the many of you
in the bosom of family's pride
near the mighty green they hide

and the fear of our emperor's clothes
strewn liberally over the throws
of heads and conservative hos
pretending the emperor's robed
 
 
000
09:06 / 10.02.03
Madonna is also anti-war. God Bless Her. Love it. Now, could someone give me the names of the "Not In My Name" spots? Susan Sarandon, any more?

MATERIAL GIRL IN A POLITICAL WORLD: MADONNA PLANS VIDEO TO PROTEST WAR, BUSH

**Exclusive**

Madonna is hoping to cause maximum controversy with a new video from her forthcoming CD, AMERICAN LIFE, the DRUDGE REPORT can reveal.

Editing is in progress on a musical video concept which insiders say may be the most shocking anti-war, anti-Bush statement yet to come from the showbusiness industry.

MORE

"She's taking it all the way this time," one source said from Los Angeles over the weekend, "pushing all of the buttons... It is a sweeping political commentary on the modern 'American Dream' and how 'nothing is what is seems.'"

The song will be released to radio next week.

Dressed in commando fatigues, Madonna throws grenades as the techno terror beat pounds, claims a source. Limb-less men and women are reportedly shown, with bloody babies.

One disturbing clip features Iraqi children.

Fashion models are mixed with soldiers; sex, violence and war, and new century sentiment.

Madonna spokeswoman Liz Rosenberg did not return repeated calls seeking comment.

The shock film for AMERICAN LIFE comes as Madonna returns to the musical spotlight with a CD of original songs, set for an April release.

"AMERICAN LIFE is about freedom of speech," claims an insider. "It examines not only war, greed and ego, but it's self-reflective also. Madonna rejects her 'Material Girl' image once and for all, and warns of life in a material world."

Developing...
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
11:45 / 10.02.03
Did anyone else see the film of Rumsfield's expression as the German's said last week that they couldn't sell the American's pov to the German public because they didn't believe it. You could see it in his eyes, this was a man working out how to have a smart missile go 'astray' and hit some German interests somewhere. Classic stuff.
 
 
000
09:44 / 11.02.03
AGAINST THE WAR
77% Irish

72% Portuguese

78% Finns

79% Danes

79% Italians

81% Luxembourgers

81% Swedes

85% Austrians


&

A Gallup International poll of a few days ago found low support in the region for war, even if sanctioned by the UN - just 38% in Romania, 28% in Bulgaria and 20% in Estonia.

The figure for Russia was 23%.

And in Turkey, polls have consistently found an overwhelming majority to be against war on Iraq.


FULL ARTICLE
 
 
Hieronymus
19:10 / 14.02.03
I nearly had a brain aneurysm laughing so hard from this.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
19:35 / 14.02.03
DeLay is trying a more personal approach. "I was at a celebration of India's Independence Day," he told reporters, "and a Frenchman came walking up to me and started talking to me about Iraq, and it was obvious we were not going to agree. And I said, 'Wait a minute. Do you speak German?' And he looked at me kind of funny and said, 'No, I don't speak German.' And I said, 'You're welcome,' turned around and walked off."

As Dead flyboy observed, if it wasn't for the US the Germans would be speaking German now.
 
 
Baz Auckland
02:28 / 15.02.03
Marches begin in Australia Japan and the Philippines!

Melbourne, Australia's second largest city, came to a standstill last night as a crowd of at least 150,000 gathered to hear speeches of defiance from politicians and union leaders. Organisers put it at 200,000.

The Australian Prime Minister, John Howard, is a staunch supporter of US President George Bush and has already sent 2,000 troops to the Gulf. But in Australia, there is wide-spread public opposition to any military action in Iraq without United Nations support.

In Tokyo, 6,000 Japanese marched, waving banners and carrying placards reading, "No War on Iraq". The mostly middle-aged crowd from labour unions and peace groups filed behind a truck with speakers blasting, "Power to the People". In the Philippines capital, Manila, 6,000 people marched on the US embassy, chanting "US imperialist, No1 terrorist", and burned a mock US missile.
 
 
penitentvandal
09:35 / 15.02.03
Who is this 'Delay' mentioned in the above post? Is he just wasting our time? I think so. 'Do you speak German', what a grade-A cunt. So because the US happened to be on the right side during one war fifty years ago, we should throw in with 'em for every year from here to eternity, conveniently forgetting My Lai, Operation Phoenix, the illegal bombing of Cambodia, the invasion of Guatemala, the Iran-Contra affair, etc etc? Not to mention all those Nazi scientists the US shipped over to help found NASA and the CIA. Or all the American companies that got in bed with the Nazis. What a complete tosser. I ask you. Honestly...

As to Madonna - 'Madonna, dressed in combat fatigues, throws grenades as the techno terror beat pounds, said a source'. 'Techno terror beat?' Is GM writing Madge's press releases these days?

But mainly, tho', good luck to all those 'Lithers, here and abroad, who are marching in protest today. I'll be doing my bit here oop North, rather than in the smoke, I'm afraid (and I'm sure Blair is sighing with relief even as we speak), but I have to admit that, having been convinced that there probably would be a war for a while now, I'm actually starting to hope we can stop it again.

Peace!
 
 
Baz Auckland
12:13 / 17.02.03
Just curious: Given that Blair and cabinet refuse to back down at present, will this mean his death in the next election?

Support for the war is said to be at 10%, and it seems that only News of the World was saying bad things about the marchers yesterday, so is he politically dead or is that just wishful thinking?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
12:51 / 17.02.03
Who is this 'Delay' mentioned in the above post? Is he just wasting our time? I think so.

Regrettably, he is the House Majority Speaker for the Republicans. So his words actually have some weight. That's the really scary part.

As for Blair...well, what are the options? An increase in the Lib Dem vote seems to be the only logical repsonse, as IDS is, on the rare occasions anyone bothers to ask, even more gung-ho than Blair. That probably wouldn't be enough to depose Blair, although there is the suggestion that he'd step down after the next election anyway...
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
14:48 / 17.02.03
Who is this 'Delay' mentioned in the above post? Is he just wasting our time? and is he "looking across at Richard Rogers, dreaming dreams to blow both our minds"?

Yes, cheap Bowie joke. Double-yes, there is a serious response on its way. I just filled half a screen with it, and then realised I was horribly drunk, and would probably regret parts of it later. So it will appear in this thread later.

For now...

[subliminal] insert witty, pithy, well-researched and, yes, fuck it, COOL, comment here [/subliminal]
 
 
Baz Auckland
17:05 / 18.02.03
Why I Hate Ari Fleischer

The global anti-war protests have put the White House on the defensive. Presidential spokesman Ari Fleischer (news - web sites) began his daily briefing by reading newspaper clips about demonstrations against the staging of missiles in Germany in the early 1980s, and said, "This is not the first time there have been mass protests and in a previous instance America stood on principle ... and as a result the Berlin Wall came down."

He also told reporters that former President Franklin Roosevelt overcame protests from isolationists to lead American into World War II.

"Often the message of protesters is contradicted by history," he said.
 
 
Baz Auckland
13:20 / 20.02.03
After thinking about Chickenhawks, I did a quick search on DeLay, and of course:

Tom DeLay, the most powerful hawk in the House of Representatives, missed Vietnam too: he was working as a pest exterminator. Reportedly, he once complained that he would have served; but, he said, all the places were taken up by ethnic minorities.

From This Guardian article

More horribleness here, like:

"This morning (3/9), I was sipping tea and watching CNN when Tom Delay came on to speak about wonderful GW. He was asked about Kerry's mild rebuke of him and he came out with the most outrageous comments...

He said that Kerry fought in Vietnam and came back to protest against it and it was people like him that gave aid to the enemy and undercut our soldiers over there and that people like him caused us to lose the war. Then he said that if GW had been president we would have won that war."


The Chickenhawk Database
 
 
000
21:07 / 24.02.03
Date: 2003-02-23

Pope Declares Ash Wednesday a Day of Prayer and Fasting for Peace

March 5 to Be Set Aside Especially for the Middle East

VATICAN CITY, FEB. 23, 2003 (Zenit.org).- John Paul II called for a day of prayer and fasting for peace, especially in the Middle East, to be observed on Ash Wednesday, March 5.

"For months the international community has been living in great apprehension because of the danger of a war that might disturb the whole of the Middle East region and exacerbate the tensions that, unfortunately, are already present at the beginning of the millennium," the Pope said today, explaining the reasons for his decision.


FULL ARTICLE

It would be lovely if all religions set aside their differences for one day for a common goal = NO WAR, it would be most lovely, indeed.
 
 
Baz Auckland
02:13 / 25.02.03
March 5 is also the next International Day of Protest/Peace. Walkouts from businesses, schools, and etc. are encouraged.

Check your local listings for rallies in your area!
 
 
000
20:53 / 28.02.03
March 5.

Quite an interesting proposition Saddam made in 60 minutes. Of course, the reply from the US heads has been to deny this, but what it also means is that war is very much avoidable.

And another item, Fleischer has been laughed off stage by reporters . Posted by a very keen mind at another forum, you can hear for yourself at

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/02/20030225-9.html#18

fast forward to minute 35 to hear for yourself.
 
 
000
14:37 / 04.03.03
The SuperPope is still active:

Pope sending cardinal to meet with Bush about Iraq
Saturday,March1,2003,10:14 AM

Vatican City-AP -- Pope John Paul is stepping up his efforts to avert a U-S-led war with Iraq. The pope is sending a special envoy to meet with President Bush. Cardinal Pio Laghi (PEE'-oh LAHG'-ee) served four years as the Vatican's ambassador to the U-S. He's scheduled to fly to the U-S on Monday. In the past, the pope has said that a war in Iraq would be a "defeat for humanity." He's also held talks with key U-S allies such as British Prime Minister Tony Blair and Spanish leader Jose Maria Aznar (AHS'-nahr). The Vatican is concerned that a war could make Christians vulnerable to retaliation by Muslims.

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grant
18:25 / 04.03.03
This really is genuinely medieval, isn't it.
 
 
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22:18 / 04.03.03
White House Rejects Pope's Iraq Argument.
 
  
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