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Worst case scenario for the Iraq war.

 
 
Enamon
19:02 / 23.01.03
Well, considering that the chances of the Bush administration attacking Iraq are pretty high, I'd just like to ask all you Barbelites as to what would be the worst case scenario in case this occurs.
 
 
SMS
19:17 / 23.01.03
Non-intervention: Worst outcome is that Saddam Hussein acquires nuclear weapons and uses them on Saudi oil fields in an effort to gain some kind of monopoly on oil supplies (maybe force the rest of the world to start buying from Iraq?). This would plunge the world into another, worse Great Depression.

Strong intervention (war): In addition to having weapons of mass destruction, it turns out that they also have a way to successfully deliver a great blow to Israel. Israel is forced to respond, and the Arab world begins thinking of Saddam as "the devil you know," allying with him, and igniting a war of civilizations.

I don't think either of these is especially likely, but they seem like reasonable worst cases, and, from what I hear on the news, the administration has considered them both.
 
 
Jack Fear
19:23 / 23.01.03
Absolute worst case? A nuclear incident, without a doubt—becuase once that genie's out of the bottle it's all going to hell.

Possible scenario: Iraq launches chemical-warhead Scuds at Israel, and Israel retaliates with nukes. All Arab nations dogpile on Israel, and the entire Middle East is consumed by open warfare. World ends in horrible conflagration as God weeps over His children's wasted potential.

With or without that component: Terrorist operatives bring the violence to the States and Britain, possibly unleashing biological agents or a dirty nuclear device, and the French and Germans sit back smugly saying "I told you so."
 
 
Strange Machine Vs The Virus with Shoes
19:59 / 23.01.03
There are no weapons of mass destruction, America takes out Iraq, massive casualties, the oil/land is carved up (Kurds sidelined). Weapons of mass destruction found. Minor terrorist “atrocities”, no state wants to challenge a $300+ billion military machine. America becomes de-facto ruler of the world. America targets next member of axis of evil on basis of countries natural resources as opposed to large-scale human rights violations (hello Zimbabwe). The 1984 American century begins, Britain has the honour of being the first airstrip.
 
 
Enamon
05:26 / 24.01.03
My worst case scenario is that the conflict spreads throughout the entire middle east and then throughout the rest of the globe as each nation inadverantly gets pulled in.

Anyway why I'm asking is this: I'm not superstitious but I tend to live my life as if I was in a book. In other words you have to be aware of literary devices such as foreshadowing and the such. Also strange coincidences come to mind. Am I the only one who's noticed that with Bush in charge we always get stuck with the worst case scenario? I mean take the 2000 election. All the media pundits claimed that the chances of what happened happening were miniscule. But it happened. Then we had Sept 11th. Now the Bush administration has practically alienated itself from the rest of the globe. The IAO is slowly being put into place. The economy is slowly sinking. Etcetera etcetera. What I'm trying to say is that I'm quite sure that we havent yet seen the last of these worst case scenarios played out in real life.
 
 
schmee
14:45 / 24.01.03
i've always assumed that saddam understands he is going to be unseated should the world finally accept an american invasion. i don't think he believes he could ever protect himself should the military enter iraq with the single purpose of removing him.

given nothing to lose, he'll engage in a final solution, which will essentially wait for the largest number of hostile troops to get well within the boundaries of iraq, bagdad or whereever necessary, and *then* let the nuke go on the spot. ie, take out half the american military in one move and make martyrs of the innocents.

a simple statement along the lines of "the meek shall inheret the earth" or some such monotheist idea of propriety spoken in a judeo/christian tradition, will resonate with the invading crusaders and turn saddam from pathetic 3rd world mafioso, to possibly "the most famous martyr in all of Islam" who devastated the world's largest power through their own rush to judgement and greed.

or at least, that's how the movie intro works...

How did the lives of people change in Corporate Democratic America?

After the fall of the American Republic (U.S.A. rep.), Americans believed that individual people, themselves, did not matter. What was important, they believed, was a strong centralized military, property rights, and to use the marketplace to decide all controversy. The fall of the Republic on October 10th, 2002, triggered the beginnings of "Corporate Democracy" as we know it today, and provided the context for why this form of Fascism is considered decieving.

Corporate Democracy used the terms and dynamics of classic Democracy to infer that democratic processes were being undertaken, while fascistic processes and feudalist dynamics dominated most decision-making for society. The popular intellectual minds of the time had not yet fully understood basic psycology or linguistics principles which later demonstrated the fallacious nature of the Empire - built on the public's assertion of "logic" at that time, later considered the root cause for it's ultimate collapse in 2038.

Individuals were forced to accept the basic protocal assigned to them in society - women were expected to act subserviant and nuturing, even when in roles of authority, while men were considered inefficient or sidelined if they did not behave in a belligerent, or arrogant manner. Racism, gender and age prejudices - brought forth from previous ages - often dominated social, business and cultural power structures in an evolved form, where the society as a whole behaved as if none of these persisted, and genuinely believed so. Most critically, however, anyone with a working knowledge of linguistics and psycology were chastized in the public forums of the day. Human cognition of that age simply could not fathom the notion that language was not absolute, and this dynamic came to shape what power structures would rely upon, to fulfil their roles in society, through legal and media manipulation using language and unassisted logic (see: "pure logic").

"Niche Class" structures were adopted, mimicking the industrial and commercial movements of the time, to weave a sophisticated appearance of democractic society within the public institutions, media, and meeting places. This had the effect of calming the Empire's citizenry during the transitionary periods and provided them with a clear sense that democracy was being facilitated. The reality that over 99% of the world's population - and more than 95% of the American population - were unable to directly experience the benefits of the Corporate Democractic system, was too much pressure to bear for very long however. Historians presume the reformation period was essentially incurred as a direct result of this social pressure.

Some historians even speculate that the Empire was only able to exist because of the public fear engendered by the still unknown opposition of the old Republic, who would employ guerrilla and terror tactics to fight such an economically/militarily superior entity. Theories speculate that the last enemies of the old Republic provided the catalyst for the Republic to dissolve itself, in the form of widespread public panic and fear. Many legends of major atrocities subsequent to the period persist, but there is little evidence such foes ever presented much of a threat to the empire militarily, thus many historians believe these rumors were created by former enemies of the Empire, to discredit it's version of history.

After the "Civil Rights" movements throughout the 20th Century, general consensus among the Republic dictated that racism, as well as all gender, culture and age bias, had ended in the mid-20th Century. This was another powerful component of the decieving dynamics of the young Corporate Democracy, and considered one of the primary causes for the inability of American society to understand what exactly was changing in their own government and how.

Intitially - with the concerns of the 20th Century still dominating geo-political attention globally (referred to as the Cold War, a stalemate ideological war waged in the mid-20th Century between the former U.S.A. rep. and the former U.S.S.R. of Eastern Europe, which historians now understand was mostly a public relations exercise to create the capital needed to fund the early military/industrial complex, the foundation of the coming Empire), and the technological confusion brought by the beginnings of the Digital Revolution of the 1960s (which facilitated the emerging media constructs Corporate Democracy requires to function) - the Empire's intoxicating situation - the promise of an all-encompassing utopia - converted many to Corporate Democracy well before the Empire was actually established.

The biggest changes were in the lives of the middle classes, who were being recruited slowly into the mechanics of Corporate Democracy via a mechanic known as "profit-sharing". Profit-sharing was a market-driven mechanic that recreated the original driving force of the old Republic, which presumed that everyone "was created equally". The term itself referred to a spiritual rite of human equivalence, but did so in a Feudlist context, where "everyone" did not mean every human being, but rather, meant every human being in the Upper Classes, or every human being who owned property (in large amounts), ie the legacy of the former monarchies of classical Europe, Africa, and all of Asia, with a handful of exceptions (mostly corporate-owned or corporate-controlled, despotic city-states).

While it still remains mostly a mystery, sometime in the late 20th century, Americans (and many outside of America, in her many sister "nations") came to believe that debt was equivalent to ownership (note: this was based on the mythological retellings of the 18th and 19th century beginnings of corporate influence on democracy in Europe and America), and in this context, most governments in Western Society were able to convince the masses that they were in a democracy, when they remained firmly in Republican forms of government. It is believed this core cognitive dissonence was the basis for the next 50 years of seemingly counter-intuitive behavior, ie, the precidents which made people believe such seemingly unbelievable things to be true.

Some of the other social changes were in the lives of women and children: Books of nursery rhymes were published which encouraged children to presume absolutes, suggest people should worship monotheist dieties before they even achieved adolescence, encourage children to play with guns, and to enjoy violence. Children's songs were about bloodshed, fighting and race. Despite the legal right to Freedom of Religion, monotheist cultures dominated the society in an uncaring and disrespectful manner, which disgruntled most humanists of the time. Many historians believe the decline of the extremes of Monotheism, was the result of this situation.

At the exact same time, the Political Classes would engage in massive Public Relations campaigns which gave the appearance that the Corporate Democracy wanted the exact opposite for it's children, and even regulated against such activity usually via party political functions, while partisan leaders secretly profited from the proliferation of the very same materials. This diametrically opposed "intention versus result" mechanic was the principle way in which the general population were lead to believe they were engaging in one form of government, when they were actually helping to support one on the opposite side of the political spectrum.

This is one example of how the sophisticated manipulation of language, networks, Law and reason were employed to erect the various constructs of the Empire's success domestically. Subversion and manipulation of Law became the means to enact wide-sweeping legal change that had literally changed the nature of the Constitution of 1787, the document which defined the old Republic's system of government. When the Constitution was declared "null and void" in December, 2004 - President Cheney's first act as President of the old Republic - it was left to Cheney alone to determine the replacement form of government from a legal perspective.

It remains uncertain as to why Americans of the time handed Cheney that power. While many would submit there were more sinister and sophisticated conspiracies, historians believe the basic constructs of Corporate Democracy themselves were what prevented society from understanding how their own government was changing, without malice.

It was believed that Chief Executive (CE) Cheney Snr, along with later Emperor's, CE Rumsfeld Snr and the much younger CE Fleischer, were the masterminds of the United States of America Corporate Democractic Empire (U.S.A.C.D.E.), which combined the U.S.A.'s holdings with the World Bank and the International Monety Fund (the corporate entities which determined all global economics of the period) to create the new Empire. While the documentation of the time was mostly destroyed to cover up the legal implications, and the great Wipe of 2010 made it virtually impossible to find records of the period, historians have pieced together the recollections and recountings of those alive at the time to understand exactly how the relationships were forged to enact the Empire, shortly after the official fall of the Republic, when congress unknowingly voted to dissolve the Constitution on October 10th, 2002.
 
 
Enamon
01:05 / 26.01.03
Well it looks like the LA Times answered my question:

http://www.latimes.com/la-fg-nuke25jan25,0,4684654.story
 
 
Baz Auckland
15:29 / 26.01.03
dministration officials believe that in some circumstances, nuclear arms may offer the only way to destroy deeply buried targets that may contain unconventional weapons that could kill thousands.

Some officials have argued that the blast and radiation effects of such strikes would be limited.


AAAAAAHHHH! Make it stop! There's no such goddamn thing as a TACTICAL nuke! THEY'RE NUCLEAR BOMBS! YOU"RE NOT SUPPOSED TO USE THEM! The fallout! AAAAHH!
 
 
bjacques
10:39 / 27.01.03
I doubt Hussein has even one nuke. Dirty bombs, maybe, and other nasty stuff to booby-trap the refineries at least. No offensive capability, since I'm sure Israel have put the word out that anyone who attacks them gets a fat one right on their capital city. That also applies in case of a pan-Arab attack on Israel, and if Israel goes, so does Mecca.
 
 
bjacques
10:47 / 27.01.03
"Luckily" the big nuclear powers probably won't get sucked into a free-for-all like they might have in the '70s and '80s, so the nuclear holy wasteland will serve as a Horrible Example for those who think with their dicks and their holy books.

But there goes about a third of the US's oil supply and a larger percentage of that of Europe and Japan. Global depression and truly scary politics arise therefrom, especially in the US, where the social contract is in tatters, and no FDR-esque noblesse oblige from today's upper class.

It's better if the UN steps in and starts amputating parts of Iraq, starting with the northern (Kurdish) and southern (Shi'ite) "no fly zones" as UN mandates.
 
 
Enamon
11:50 / 27.01.03
Iraq doesnt need to use dirty bombs. The U.S. military already sabotages everything with its depleted uranium munitions.
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
12:38 / 27.01.03
According the the Daily (Hate) Mail from Saturday, the first action in the forthcoming war, scheduled in for late Feburary, would be to secure Saddam's oil fields (to protect all the cute little birds, naturally), then hand them over 'to a civilian agency for administration'.
Maybe the White-House's next press release should involve the Reagen-Bush-(Clinton)-Bush government covering themselves in crude oil soaked dollar bills and giggling like schoolgirls...
 
 
Enamon
16:03 / 01.02.03
Space shuttle disintegrates in mid-air.

WORST CASE SCENARIO STRIKES AGAIN!!!

Did I tell you or did I tell you?
 
  
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