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A.N.S.W.E.R. this....

 
  

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grant
13:40 / 21.01.03
I got heads-upped to this element of the anti-war debate by a libertarian (anarchist/right) friend of mine.

The massive protests over the weekend were organized by A.N.S.W.E.R., "Act Now to Stop War and End Racism."

This is an organization that has in the past agitated in favor of some extremely brutal regimes -- as long as they're leftist. (The word bandied about on the right end of the spectrum is "Stalinist.")

The dramatic case against A.N.S.W.E.R. was made by Tacitus, a blogger who appears to have no qualms about overstating the case to make the point.

The point, however, seems to be a good one.

Here's a quote from one well-written blog, Letter from Gotham:

To go to a demonstration organized by ANSWER is to give them legitmacy. To lend legitmacy to an organization is to create an association between you, the individual who makes moral choices, and them, the organization that stands for certain things. You, the moral actor, have consented to take part in a demonstration, a sacred public constitutionally protected activity that they have organized. The association is clear, public and can't be erased.


You cannot do that and then claim that there is no association between you and them. To fling the charge, "guilt by association!" is a feckless moral evasion. The only morally acceptable answer to Tacitus' charge is to say that you accept the association between you and ANSWER because you think that demonstrating against a US-led invasion of Iraq overrides any reservations you have about ANSWER'S politics. I'd accept that as honest, even if morally squalid.


"I accept the association, I am associated with an organization that supports mass-murder, because on this issue, they facilitated my ability to object to US Government policy." Say that aloud five times, because that is the situation that you find yourself in. If you can live with that, be my guest.


You'll also find support for this stance from some on the left, like KOS.

So... can you "live with that"?
How?
 
 
grant
13:53 / 21.01.03
It might also be worth reading this later entry by Tacitus, where he asks this:
I'm actually pretty interested in the part where Goldberg says that ANSWER has "thus far dominated the antiwar movement by buying up protest permits before other groups have had a chance." Does this mean they let the other groups do the scheduling, and they just shoehorned in on the bureaucracy? Or did they set date and time on their own? Can anyone shed some light on the organizational history, here?


I'd like an answer to that one, too.
 
 
Unencumbered
13:57 / 21.01.03
Ah, the eternal "does the end justify the means" debate.

I'd say that you have to deal with each situation on its own merits but that in general (and in this case specifically) the answer's "no".
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
14:24 / 21.01.03
On the one hand, Tacitus is clearly just another right-wing asshole, and the main source of his claim appears to be an LA Weekly article which is a fairly transparent, shriekingly anti-left, smear campaign.

On the other hand, it's a sad fact that anti-war demos (and others) are often dominated by groups I'm not exactly in favour of - the SWP are always cashing in on anti-war and anti-capitalist events... I don't know how much can be done about this.

But look at it this way: you risk spending a few days a year showing tacit solidarity to a bunch of people who allegedly hold very dodgy views but not much power, in the name of a good cause. Now, compare that to the other 359 days a year you spend giving tacit approval to a bunch of remorseless murderers and thieves who hold power, in the name of having a relatively cosy life. Which is the one to agonize over?
 
 
Linus Dunce
16:41 / 21.01.03
Indeed. The very ubiquity of SWP placards at rallies gives away the fact that they are trying to cash in. Who takes them seriously?
 
 
w1rebaby
17:42 / 21.01.03
This really is a non-issue. We all know that some of our fellow-travellers are nutters, and many have other offensive opinions... but you know what? The tiny, tiny effect that the march will have, in practice, in promoting those offensive opinions isn't worth caring about. The fact that the march in itself will provide some propaganda ammunition for Hussein is far more serious, and that's something that most people (including me) reckon is worth the risk to try to stop all this bullshit.

Why the hell bother about this? If ANSWER were putting it about that the march was also in support of Stalinist regimes then fine, that might be a reason not to go, because your actions would be delivering the wrong message. But they clearly aren't. Everyone knows it's an anti-war march. I'd be quite happy to say "yes" to the question posed in Letter From Gotham.

This kind of navel-gazing obsession with maintaining ideological purity really annoys me. I see it as having more to do with maintaining the commentator's own appearance rather than, say, helping anyone. "Oooh, I couldn't march there, someone might think I was a Stalinist, plus there are all those smelly hippies, I don't like that sort of person". Get over yourself.
 
 
Hieronymus
22:11 / 21.01.03
It's also what has consistently paralyzed the Left in consolidating itself into action. The devil I know vs. the devil I don't?
 
 
w1rebaby
23:32 / 21.01.03
Splittists...
 
 
grant
13:49 / 22.01.03
So how about that second question -- how *does* one organize a protest? How does ANSWER get the permits first?
 
 
Rage
14:50 / 22.01.03
::applauds Fridge::

Fuck A.N.S.W.E.R.

I flew all the way from Portland to DC for the protest on the 18th, and I wouldn't have missed it for anything.

Here's how it went.

If you don't feel like reading that, let's make it short. There were half a million people there: the biggest rally since Vietnam. You should be cheering- thanking us- not complaining about The Organizers. What about the people?

There were church people, left people, middle people, right people, start-your-own-church people, (raises hand) pretty much everyone from the yuppies to the yippies to the climb aboard the mother shippies.

The real problem is that the rally got next to zero coverage within the mainstream media. This is what we should be discussing. How our government can continue to withold information regarding the public opinion, claiming that at least 50% more people want war than is accurate. I know you guys hate Warrn Ellis, but we're in desperate need of a Spider Jerusalem here.
 
 
Rage
15:08 / 22.01.03
Grant: you don't need a permit to organize a protest, though it's much safer that way. ::grin:: You've probably gotta be a Communist Corporation to get one of dem permit things. So I thank you, Stalinist A.N.S.W.E.R., for enabling us to protest without getting tear gassed. Or simply for bringing us all together.

Though I do think that in light of our governments actions we need to take the "perm" out of "permit" and make like Nike.

Just do.
 
 
w1rebaby
14:22 / 23.01.03
What I'm guessing is that, for an "official" protest, there's a huge convoluted procedure to go through, different public bodies to inform, different forms to fill in, probably different for each city, too. Now, if ANSWER have a lot of old-skool marcher types, as it appears they do, then they will have the contacts and experience to be able to do this. Newer groups are going to get caught up in the red tape. So ANSWER end up organising things. A bit like the SWP do tend to do a lot of organising in the UK, because they've got the machinery and the experience, even if they are annoying bastards.
 
 
grant
14:41 / 23.01.03
I wonder who else I could ask to get specifics. Some sort of mayor's office?
 
 
Jack Fear
15:23 / 23.01.03
A heads-up for US readers: Mara Verheyden Hilliard of ANSWER will be on Fresh Air today, 23 January, as part of a general discussion of the new peace movement. The interview will be up in RealAudio at the same URL by tomorrow noon.
 
 
Mr Tricks
17:25 / 23.01.03
Alot of coverage on the marchs both in DC and SF have been going on here as well.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
13:40 / 24.01.03
There's a really good piece on this subject up at the ever-reliable ZNet. Hit the link and scroll down to number 8 - the whole of that section, in fact the whole of the article, is worth reading - but here's the most relevant chunk:


How do these views affect antiwar demonstrations organized by IAC or ANSWER? They do so in two primary ways.

First, an important purpose of antiwar demonstrations is to educate the public, so as to be able to build a larger movement. If the message of a demonstration is that opposition to U.S. war means support for brutal regimes, then we are mis-educating the public, and limiting the growth of the movement. To be sure, some true things we say may also alienate some members of the public, and often that is a risk we must take in order to communicate the truth and change awareness. But to tell the public that they have to support either George Bush or Saddam Hussein is not true and is certainly not a way to build a strong movement. People are not wrong to be morally repelled by Saddam Hussein. An antiwar movement that cannot make clear its opposition to the crimes of both Bush and Hussein will of necessity be limited in size.

The second problem with IAC-organized demonstrations is that the day-to-day practice of IAC cadre often shows a lack of commitment to democratic and open behavior. It is not surprising that those who lionize the dictatorial North Korean regime will be somewhat lacking in their appreciation of democratic practice.

Does this mean that people who reject these abhorrent views of the IAC shouldn't attend the October 26 antiwar demonstrations in Washington, DC, San Francisco, and elsewhere? No.

If there were another large demonstration organized by forces more compatible with the kinds of politics espoused by other antiwar activists, including ourselves, then we would urge people to prefer that one. And there is no doubt we should be working to build alternative organizational structures for the antiwar movement that are not dominated by IAC. But at the moment the ANSWER demonstration is the only show in town. And much as we may oppose Saddam Hussein, we also oppose Bush, and the paramount danger today is the war being prepared by the U.S. government.

So we need to consider various questions.

First, are those with antiwar views contrary to the IAC's perspective excluded from speaking? Second, what will be the primary message perceived by those present at the demonstrations and by the wider public?

If past experience is a guide, IAC demonstrations will have programs skewed in the direction of IAC politics, but without excluding alternative voices. In general, the IAC speakers will not be offensive so much for what they say, but for what they don't say. That is, they won't praise Saddam Hussein from the podium, but nor will they utter a critical word about him. However, as long as other speakers can and do express positions with a different point of view, the overall impact of the event will still be positive, particularly in the absence of other options. Most of the people at the demonstration will in fact be unaware of exactly who said what and whether any particular speaker omitted this or that point. What they will experience will be a powerful antiwar protest. And most of the public will see it that way too. (As was the case during the Vietnam War too: few demonstrators knew the specific politics or agendas of demonstration organizers.) Accordingly, and in the absence of any alternative event, it makes sense to help build and to attend the October 26 demonstration, while also registering extreme distaste for the IAC, at least in our view.



The piece then goes on to discuss how the same issue arises, albeit in different ways, with the involvement of Not In Our Name, liberal Democrats - it's great, actually, a very clear and informative primer for how one might handle the question of protesting or doing any kind of activism alongside people who hold other views you disagree with strongly. Crucially, it does all this without apologising, whitewashing or dodging the issue, and in fact the ZNet piece was written on October 24, 2002 - the LA Weekly piece dates from November 2002, and Tacitus' rant from January 2003... Pretty much dispels the myth that the left are scared of self-critique (incidentally, reading the rest of Tacitus' blog is pretty terrifying, and puts his take on this in a good context - is he actually Martin Amis in disguise?).
 
 
Jack Fear
17:30 / 24.01.03
Mara Verheyden Hilliard's
thirteen minutes
on Fresh Air (my own rapid transcriptiuon, so forgive typos: full interview available in the RealAudio by clicking the link above):

Seemed to state several times that ANSWER is an ad hoc coalition, created strictly for the purpose of opposing this war—then contradicted that by bringing racism into the equation, claiming that racism is a tool for militarism, as it encourages folks to believe that the lives of our "enemmies" are worth less than American lives.

On ideological strange bedfellows: "...[W]e had religious groups coming out in force, and I don't think that when a religious group comes out and supports anti-war work, and traces it back to their faith, be it a faith in Christian faith, that they are somehow then telling everyone that they must all agree with the Christian faith: they're saying, "This is our background, we stand here in solidarity."

She characterizes David Korn's L.A. Weekly hatchet-job on the Worker's World party and the International Action Committee as "...extremely incorrect, inaccurate, and really intended to be a divisive and offensive caricature of a political group in the United States, as well as of the people in our coalition who associate with [the WWP]," but largely sidesteps actually answering the allegations in the article by characterizing the question itself as "classic McCarthyite red-baiting." She then castigates Korn for trying to "divide and diminish an anti-war movement that he had no part in building," then says, in effect, that his opinions on the IAC and WWP don't matter because he was in favor of military action in Afghanistan.

Then she finishes up with a ringing "We repudiate any type of demands for a purge of the movement."

On the political irrelevance of communist parties in America: "The relevancy (sic) of this coalition and its work is proven by the fact that we have done the mass organizing to build a really powerful antiwar movement, in coalition with many people form many different backgrounds—Republicans, Democrats, Green Party members, anarchists, independents, people with no political affiliation—ands that what a real true broad movement is. Obviously, there are many who sit on the sidelines, including former activists—who are kind of armchair activists, at this point—who among them haven't organized one person."

Rather defensive overall, I thought: the "Well, at least we';re doing something" pose sounded snide, she avoided tough questions by objecting to the line of questioning altogether—but worst of all, rather than answer the criticisms, she chose instead to knock the critics: which is exactly how conservative pundits are dismissing the new anti-war movement, by looking at its associations. Thus the prophecy fulfills itself, on all sides.

I'll try to transcribe some bits of Todd Gitlin's remarks later on.
 
 
Jack Fear
19:17 / 24.01.03
Todd Gitlin, former president of SDS and now professor of journalism and sociology at Columbia University, weighs in comparing and contrasting the peace movements of the 1960s and today:

The money quote: "The antiwar movement of the 60s sprang from the civil rights movement spirit, so there was already a mood of affirmation... Today's movement is springing from a every different mood—a fatalism, a kind of brooding horror about the future."

Characterizes ANSWER as representing "the fringe politics of the orthodox Old Left," which seems to me fairly accurate... says the combined membership of the groups represented by the steering committee probably totals about 100 members nationwide.

On how ANSWER became, by default, the public face of the anti-war movement: "Movements are sloppy and diffuse, and in general one prefers them that way: that is, we people who are small-D democrats don't like the sort of hierarchical command program that authoritarians embrace and find it easy to organize. Now, what means, de facto, is that the organizations that are quickest to organize nat'l demonstrations are the ones that are most hierarchically organized, and International ANSWER is one of them. So they get there first, they don't have complicated postions, they have simplistic positions, and they're in place—like an army!—to follow orders and put demonstrations on the calendar. ...."

"Opposing unilateral war is a mainstream American position right now... This is an enormous opportunity for an anti-war movement, because you don't have to be left-wing, you don't even have to be left of center ... so I think it is fruitless, in fact it's counterproductive, to organize a sort of left-wing self-celebration jamboree. You'll offend a lot of people who should be opposed to the war, and you're not going to elicit the support of mainstream politicians... I am concerned that Internationl ANSWER walks out to the speaker's platform wearing a big sign that says 'DISCREDIT ME,' and that those who don't have the interests of a decent and sensible and majoritarian anti-war movement can swat the movement as a whole by pointing the finger at these absurd and reprehensible positions."

[Jack's note: I've heard the words "decent" and "sensible" used so often by censorious conservatives that their use in this context cannot help but set off my warning bells.]

Of course, Gitlin may be qualified to criticize, because he acknowledges how the hippy peaceniks screwed the pooch way back when: "The tragedy of the Sixties is that while I think the anti-war momvement did retard the extension of the war, the movement itself committed hara-kiri—by isolating itself at the margins of American life and insulting most of the people who themselves were opposed to the war, who were, in fact, the proverbial mainstream people.... [just so] the erosion of ...convention anti-war politics, [that is] ecumenical, centrist/liberal antiwar politics means that the sectarian groups like ANSWER... loom large in a way that undermines the tensile strength, the absorptiveness of the movement as a whole."

But Gitlin, too, seems to want to have it both ways: asked if he felt like a member of HUAC, speaking out against ANSWER because of their Communist affiliations, Gitlin laughed and said, "No, I think they're actually dishonest in not wanting to own up to their politics"—just seconds after lambasting ANSWER for making the movement as a whole look bad by being so public about those very political stances.

Still, he admits, "One does not have the luxury, in political life, of choosing all of your allies."

I'll truncate here, but there's lots more worth listening to (Todd talks fast, and had 21 minutes), though not entirely relevant to this thread, including interesting thoughts on how the war in Bosnia turned a lot of liberals into "selective hawks," with the premise that American military power could be used to enforce American ideals (of tolerance and democracy), making the model for intervention not Vietnam, but World War II. Which may be worth a thread in itself...
 
 
bjacques
00:34 / 25.01.03
I thought what made the modern marches so successful (at least in inspiring other marches) was that there was a general agreement to disagree on certain things, as long as nobody tries to pull down anybody else's banners. I understand Reclaim the Streets were doing well until they tried to put everybody under their umbrella. Socialist Workers try to horn in on every hot issue and march, but it seems that other groups aren't as bothered by this as they used to be.

Hey, if ANSWER want to file for the permits, great. As far as I know, they haven't tried to censor other groups. If they do, word will get around and they'll look like Klaus Kinski in the last scene of "Aguirre: Wrath of God."

There's supposed to be a march here in Amsterdam next month, and I hope to be in it, and don't care who's organizing it. I'll just try to paint the most trenchant, funny, mediagenic sign I can. If parade marshals censor it, I'll just go home.
 
 
bjacques
00:42 / 25.01.03
It's funny how bothered the Right gets about any large leftist demo, perhaps feeling a little threatened. On another board, a capital L Libertarian blew hot and cold over the DC demo last week.

But marches don't by themselves change anything. What they offer is a morale boost to that activist who, thanks to mass media, feels isolated. The internet has mitigated that somewhat--in 1990 there was PeaceNet--but seeing other activists, preferably in a festival atmosphere, can give you the strength for the political grunt work needed for meaningful change.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
18:47 / 27.01.03
Another perspective, though This is a response to the newspaper article that kicked it all off.
 
 
fluid_state
21:56 / 27.01.03
I found this at www.thismodernworld.com, something to think about in regards to your protest being tacit approval of A.N.S.W.E.R's politics....

And as Katha Pollitt noted a few months ago, communists were prominent in the civil rights movement. Would the world be a better place today if there had been right wing bloggers on the case, trying to discredit Dr. King and the March on Washington because of it?

theres more at the aforementioned site, an it's a tiny, quick read.
 
 
Mr Tricks
16:12 / 29.01.03
Here's an article I recieved from Tikkun.org couldn't find it on the site so I cut & Pasted it here...

I. Iraq anti-war coalitions
The New York Times had a curious article on Friday, January
24th talking about dissension in the anti-war movement, and
quoting Rabbi Michael Lerner. What was curious was that the
reporter had completely ignored Rabbi Lerner's central point and
instead built an article around a side point. The side point was
that it's annoying to be subjected to a series of content-less
harangues at anti-war demonstrations, and that instead of a
series of empty rants these mass mobilizations could be used to
increase the level of sophisticated understanding of the world and
the need to challenge corporate globalization, and to understand
America in a more complex way. Particularly for those of us who
appreciate many things about American society, the one-dimensional
anti-American rhetoric wears thin and doesn't represent us--because
we know that America has many good aspects to this society and that
it is precisely by appealing to that which is best in Americans that we
are most likely to mobilize them to an anti-war movement.

But that was an aside. The major criticism that we at Tikkun and
the Tikkun community have put forward is that the mobilizations have
been run by a group called ANSWER, itself dominated by a communist
sect group which is filled with hate toward Israel and wishes to see it
dismantled. It has used anti-war demonstrations to demean Israel and
to picture the war in Iraq as a war for Israeli interests. This has made it very difficult for many progressive Jews to become involved in the anti-war protests, because many feel that they don't want to be in a context which is led by people who truly wish harm on Israel.

We have continually insisted on the difference between
criticism of Israeli policies (we are adamant supporters of an end
to the Occupation, reparations for Palestinian refugees, an end to
Israeli human rights abuses, etc.) on the one hand and demeaning
Israel and denying its fundamental legitimacy on the other. We
insist that criticisms of Israel be balanced by criticisms also of the
terror tactics from the Palesitnian world that have created so much
fear in Israel that people who were disposed toward peace ten
years ago today are in despair about peace and hence willing to
vote for right-wing candidates or to simply go into psychological
depression and give up on any hopes for change(see the article
below by Uri Avnery). Our balanced perspective is articulated in
the book we've just published from Tikkun Books--it's called
Healing Israel/Palestine (it will also be distributed by North
Atlantic Books).

We know that it is not possible to totally separate a
discussion of Iraq from a discussion of Israel. But we want a
sophisticated and balanced voice on Israel--and one that can
affirm BOTH the humanity of Israelis AND the humanity of
Palestinians. That point, the main one made to the NY Times,
was completely absent from the NY Times story on Friday. If
you'd like to see the Tikkun critique articulated in the media,
you might let them know by contacting Dick Berke (202) 862-0370
riberk@nytimes.com (the Washington office NY Times editor who edits
these stories) or by contacting Lynette Clemetson (202) 862-0300
(ask to be transferred to her extension) or by emailing her
lyclem@nytimes.com (she is the author of the story).

Still, the spirit and goodness of the masses of people
who participated in those demonstrations on Jan. 18th was not
overshadowed by the distortions of the groups who managed to
get charge of the microphones and claim to be our leaders. The
outpouring of hopes for peace were a beautiful reminder that despite
the way that the media blocks us out of public view, or trivializes
our message, those who want a different kind of world are not just
a handful of isolated people, but a huge surge of Americans who
to this moment have almost no place but these demonstrations to
express their goodness and generosity. We have to do all we can
to make sure that neither the distortions in the media and the attempts
to isolate or marginalize us, nor the ego-tripping and sectarianism
of the anti-war leadership lead people to despair and give up on
protest. In the March issue of TIKKUN magazine we will talk more about what we hope these protests can accomplish (if you don't yet
subscribe, you can do so right now by going to www.tikkun.org and
subscribing on-line---it's the least you can do to help us keep
alive to send these messages).

Meantime, there will be another mobilization against
the war February 15th in New York and Feburary 16th in San
Francisco. And despite our reservations about the leadership, the
Tikkun Community will be doing all it can to bring people to these
and subequent events to support a world of peace.
 
 
Mr Tricks
17:04 / 29.01.03
And in responce; from CPUSA:

The following are sample paragraphs the article is actually MUCH longer:

  • But will the anti-war movement be more powerful if
    radicals and communists are driven from the leadership
    and something Goldberg and others consider "a more
    rational group" moves to the forefront? Will our
    movement build the kind of resistance that needs to be
    built? Will it unite millions to oppose the terrible
    injustices being carried out in our name by the U.S.
    government? Will it give scope to the deep debate that
    needs to go on throughout society on the nature of
    this juggernaut? Will it stop the war?

  • From the days after September 11--when it became clear
    that the U.S. government was using these events to
    embark on a whole program to forcibly recast the power
    relations on the planet--our Party began a serious
    effort to unite with others to build the kind of
    movement that could rise to these historic and
    unprecedented challenges. We recognized the need for
    new alliances, drawing on the creativity and
    commitment of people from many different political
    perspectives. And we put forward our ideas on what we
    thought this movement needed to be.

  • "Imagine the inspiration it will provide and the
    potential realignment it will contribute to--with
    ordinary people worldwide finding common cause against
    the oppressors and bullies of the world, first and
    above all the rulers of America--who, it will be more
    and more clear, do not speak and act in the interests,
    or in the name of large, and growing, numbers of
    American people themselves."

  • In editorials in our newspaper and discussions with
    many organizations and individuals, we talked about
    the need for a movement of resistance that could unite
    people very, very broadly--from different
    perspectives, walks of life and regions of the
    country--to stand up and say: "not in our name."

  • Our party has a strategic approach to uniting with
    others who do not share our Maoist politics and
    ideology. The Not In Our Name initiatives represent
    real united front efforts, where people of different
    perspectives strategize together and act together to
    oppose the great injustices that are coming down. We
    recognize this united front as a place where we come
    together with others to make something new.It is not "
    ours ," it is not a so-called "front group," and it
    certainly does not concentrate our whole revolutionary
    line or analysis or program. But our vision of the
    importance of such united front efforts does flow from
    our understanding of the need to change the political
    climate and alliances in society. We are open and
    aboveboard about putting forward our views on the
    dividing lines and directions of these united front
    efforts, and we seek to learn from others.

  • But those we have united in the anti-war movement are
    not responsible for our whole revolutionary line and
    program--and we are not responsible for all of their
    ideological positions. This is another tack by
    Goldberg and others--attempting to divide the movement
    by forcing people to take responsibility for all the
    revolutionary views of our party, which they may or
    may not agree with. And this cannot be allowed to go
    down.


  • In characterizing Kissinger's political beliefs, the
    Salon article makes this outrageous distortion: "In an
    article for WorkingForChange.com, Seattle Times
    journalist Geov Parris writes about Not in Our Name
    statement coordinator Clark Kissinger, who he
    identifies as a `core member' of the RCP
    [Revolutionary Communist Party], `I still have vivid
    memories of Kissinger explaining calmly to me once
    why, when the RCP took over, it would be necessary to
    shoot everyone who didn't agree with them.'"

  • In response to this charge, Clark Kissinger writes:
    "Let me say clearly: Geov Parrish is lying and
    Michelle Goldberg is repeating the lie. It is
    unconscionable to resort to hearsay and gossip to
    characterize my views when I have written many
    articles on a range of political questions, from the
    death penalty to the experience of China during Mao's
    leadership. These manufactured comments are totally
    antithetical to my revolutionary politics. The truth
    is that for decades I have identified with the Maoist
    movement that has summed up the experience, both
    positive and negative, of all previous socialist
    societies, including the importance of dissent in any
    new socialist society."

  • It is all too fashionable for cynical verdicts about
    how "revolution is worse than the social ills it
    attempts to cure" to cover for lack of any serious
    discussion about real problems confronting oppressed
    classes taking history into their hands. How
    convenient that such claims coincide with the
    prevailing verdicts of the official ideology of the
    very people who profit from global sweatshops and send
    arms to disgusting regimes all over the planet.

  • We know that many people involved in the anti-war
    movement do not share our perspective on these
    problems. And, again, they are not responsible for our
    positions.

  • From the beginning, we have shared this concern with
    people: How can we build a movement of resistance
    capable of withstanding repression--and a government
    implementing fascistic measures in the name of safety?

  • Political discussion and criticism in the movement is
    welcome and necessary. But it is really crucial in the
    land of Ashcroftian madness to fight for and respect
    the rights of people involved in all the resistance
    movements to protect themselves from the prying eyes
    of the state.
 
 
alas
00:35 / 01.02.03
Amen to the above.

'Bloggers condemn the protests organized by A.N.S.W.E.R., "Act Now to Stop War and End Racism," because that organization, through the Workers World Party, has supported repressive regimes'

The atomic bombing of hiroshima and nagasaki are still supported by the US Government, as wells as many democrats and republicans holding office in that government, despite strong evidence that both represented unwarranted attacks that deliberately targeted civilian populations and which were timed to avoid other, feasible alternatives that would have ended the war as quickly: we wanted to test our new weapons on live populations. Many republicans, in fact, as is clear from Trent Lott's statements--and Tom DeLay's over the years--long for a return to legalized segregation and state-sanctioned terrorism against African Americans. The democratic party has its roots in Southern white discontent with the outcome of the Civil War and the pathetic, short-lived attempt at Reconstruction. We could move through time, the US support of repressive regimes in South America--Pinochet and a host of others--the snubbing of the World Court decision against the US in 1984, etc.

By this logic, it would seem, no one who thinks slavery, state-sanctioned race-based terrorism and lynching, the deliberate targeting of civilian populations with weapons of mass destruction, and the destabilizing and violent removal of democratically elected regimes in other countries are all illegitimate should participate in voting in the U.S.

Is that a reasonable analogy?
 
 
w1rebaby
22:08 / 12.02.03
And now it seems that ANSWER have banned Michael Lerner, the editor of Tikkun, from speaking.

I am not inconsiderably annoyed with ANSWER about this. Apologies for linking to my own blog, but I don't feel like typing it all up again.
 
 
Jackie Susann
07:05 / 13.02.03
left group in 'incredibly annoying' shocker
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
08:12 / 13.02.03
fridge, that's a bit disingenuous of you: one of the articles you link to in your blog makes it clear that Lerner was proposed as a speaker by the group he represents, and the Four Coalitions declined on the basis of a general principle. Not the same thing as ANSWER "banning" him...
 
 
Jack Fear
13:19 / 13.02.03
It's a pretty horrific "general principle," though, innit?

On January 28, Tony Murphy, the media coordinator for ANSWER, appeared on a radio show in New York and said, "I know that the ANSWER coalition would not have a pro-Israel speaker on its platform."

Now, as David Corn points out, Lerner is pro-Israel in that he supports the right of Israel to exist—but he's been a harsh critic of Israeli government policies. He's about as pro-Israel as Noam Chomsky is pro-America—but that is apparently too pro-Israel for ANSWER.

Lerner has also publicly questioned ANSWER's tactics and stances (though he has said that he would not do so at any hypothetical antiwar demo speaking gig: "Why waste my three minutes on ANSWER?"): if that's part of the "principle" by which his proposed address was shot down, that is intensely troubling. ANSWER's people keep saying they're part of a broad coalition, that desperate times make for strange bedfellows, that it does no harm to the antiwar cause to have disagreements on tangential issues—in other words, they've painted themselves as supporting a "big tent" antiwar movement, with no particular requirements for ideological purity.

Fine words. But I find their consistent aversion to cricism, from without or from within ("We repudiate any type of demand for a purge of the movement!") both worrying and tiresome.
 
 
w1rebaby
13:20 / 13.02.03
the Four Coalitions declined on the basis of a general principle. Not the same thing as ANSWER "banning" him...

Well, I suppose it may not specifically have been ANSWER who said he couldn't join, but given that it was them he criticised, it seems likely that they were instrumental.

The point is that he was prevented from speaking because he and his group disagreed with ANSWER. The "general principle" was:

none of the coalitions would propose rally speakers who had publicly attacked or worked to discredit one of the coalition groups

but, I would judge that Tikkun would claim that ANSWER disagreed were working to discredit them with their "anti-Israeli rhetoric", and they weren't banned from speaking.

I can see the point of the principle but it's being very poorly implemented, in a way that makes it look like favouritism and control freakery, whether it is or not (it doesn't really matter). It's counter-productive and brings up all the old stereotypes of the "disunited left". I bet pro and amateur warbloggers across the US are creaming their keyboards as I write this.
 
 
Jack Fear
13:33 / 13.02.03
(As a sidenote, it amazes me that anybody in this day and age could call proudly call hirself a Maoist. I guess irony really is dead, along with who knows how many million Chinese...)
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
14:17 / 13.02.03
So, anyone think Tikkun would have an ANSWER speaker at a rally *they* were involved in organising?

And Jack, the Coalition have been at pains to stress that it wasn't Lerner's views on Israel per se, but his accusations of anti-semitism, that they objected to.

I'd also be really interested as to how we define Lerner's support for the "right of Israel to exist", compared and contrasted with Chomsky's views on the creation of the United States of America and in particular what reparations each feels should be made to Palestinians and Native Americans respectively, but I'd have to research that and it may be off-topic. Off to Google.
 
 
creamedcorn
14:44 / 13.02.03
Seems to me one of the reasons the hard right is kicking ass is that it doesn't waste time publicly eviscerating itself.
 
 
Ray Fawkes
14:49 / 13.02.03
But by participating in a protest facilitated by A.N.S.W.E.R., isn't one throwing their lot in with them? It's hard to argue that you just happen to be showing up and just happen to be interested in protesting the war - most peace-seeking activists I know seem to support a "be aware, be awake" stance in all things - why not apply it to the organizers of the protest? I believe taking advantage of convenience (i.e. the arranged, "legal" protest - quotes required since the constitution is supposed to guarantee the right to assembly, etc) necessitates allowing the facilitator to take advantage of you. No doubt A.N.S.W.E.R. proudly references the number of protesters at their arranged rallies when speaking of their own successes...
 
 
w1rebaby
15:43 / 13.02.03
Flyboy:

So, anyone think Tikkun would have an ANSWER speaker at a rally *they* were involved in organising?

Quite possibly not, but does it matter? They'd be wrong too if the roles were reversed.

And Jack, the Coalition have been at pains to stress that it wasn't Lerner's views on Israel per se, but his accusations of anti-semitism, that they objected to.

Does this matter either? They say it was because he was disruptive, attacking coalition members publicly etc, but the perception will be "dodgy old Commies want to run everything themselves".

Having Lerner speak would have been incredibly beneficial both for their position and for the anti-war coalition as a whole. He's not exactly going to spend his time slagging them off; the fact that Tikkun wants to be part of this regardless is significant. It would show that actually, it is a broad church, we're not anti-semitic terrorist apologists. Quite apart from whether he's a good speaker or not. But apparently, no.
 
  

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